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Sigvatr wrote:Thanks for the cost!

Right now, Azrakyr seems like an awesome HQ choice. Tachyon Arrow, Warscythe, his hacking ability, a few good special rules and his rather gimmick-ish Immortal-buff ability all for 60 points less than the Stormlord?

Get in that Command Barge!

Also...25% of my points going into HQ? Hell yeah.

I know some space wolf army builds that use more than 50% of their points in uber-hq awesomeness. Why can't we do the same with our new bells and whistles? Go wild!

Considering I imagine the people above have the codex in their hands already, things just keep sounding better and better! I'm actually really excited just to have a codex filled with options.

The command barge will be easily worth it's cost. I can imagine that they will quickly become priority number 1 targets, so we will see how they deal with this in the long run.

Necrons sound like they could take the top spot for mid tier armies, what do others think?

Monolith is still sounding like an excellent option which makes me happy as I have 3 of them, I was actively collecting old necrons from jaded players over the past few years though

Sigvatr wrote:Thanks for the cost!

Right now, Azrakyr seems like an awesome HQ choice. Tachyon Arrow, Warscythe, his hacking ability, a few good special rules and his rather gimmick-ish Immortal-buff ability all for 60 points less than the Stormlord?

Get in that Command Barge!

Also...25% of my points going into HQ? Hell yeah.

I think you will find that the necrons biggest weakness is the hq slot. Not because they are weak, but because all the best stuff is in it and you will just end up pouring points into it without regard. Every time I try to make a list in the past week based solely off rumors and some of my own estimates, the minimum HQ points, including royal court, was 350 points. The most maxed out at 600+ with a large royal court. Keep in mind the monolith costs 200 points and the doomsday ark goes for 175 as well as a squad of 6 un-kitted out wraiths go at 240 points, or 5 lychguards with shields at 225.

A kitted out royal court has multiple uses, though - you can leave it all together as an uber deathstar unit, or split up the crypteks/lords into your troops and elites and give a bit of punch/survival power to each of your squads on the table.

Hmmm totally forgot about the Court...but then again, I don't plan to spend that many point on my Court in <1500 points games.

The thing is that e.g. Azrakyr is a superb vehicle hunter that works better than a lot of regular troops could and the Command Barge is a real bargain for its value.

Off the Fed Ex site via Tracking # provided by GW

Ship date

Nov 1, 2011

Estimated delivery

Nov 4, 2011 by 4:30 PM


I'M ECSTATIC!!!!!!!!

Edit - False alarm. Tachyon arrow is NOT a blast weapon. Still s10 ap1 unlimited range, however.

tetrisphreak wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa, Bramgaunt on warseer just dropped a bomb (probably a quick typo):

Tachyon Arrow - s10 ap1 large blast

wtf? totally worth 30 points if that is true.

That's been known for a while. it is also a one time use item. If you looked at Anrakyr's bit on the opening post it has the info on the tachyon arrow

Edit: It's under his rules because that's how big of a boss he is and it has nothing to do with there being so few rules that kroothawk felt bad for him, not it being a random reason. (i hope)

FalkorsRaiders wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa, Bramgaunt on warseer just dropped a bomb (probably a quick typo):

Tachyon Arrow - s10 ap1 large blast

wtf? totally worth 30 points if that is true.

That's been known for a while. it is also a one time use item. If you looked at Anrakyr's bit on the opening post it has the info on the tachyon arrow

Edit: It's under his rules because that's how big of a boss he is and it has nothing to do with there being so few rules that kroothawk felt bad for him, not it being a random reason. (i hope)

From my read through today I don't remember it being blast. Just a single fire, just like the hunter killer missile.

I was just oblivious to the fact that it was a large blast - everybody has been talking about it like it's a direct shot. in addition to tank fragging it can take out a squad of thunderwolves or nob bikerz instead....


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Alright bram just corrected himself. Not a blast weapon. Still an awesome one by my measure however.

That just can't be, S10 Ap1 large blast?!? Necrons are going to finally be feared again. I always did better than average with my wraith wing, though a lot of players always necron opponents as easy. Can't wait to start dropping templates and death rays into all those space wolf and grey knight players.

Holy mother of the robot gods. If you roll unlucky, it might scatter, yet...geeez, people, Large Blast? Unlimited range? S10 AP1? Wow, I can already hear my fellow MEQ players crying over their smoking wrecks =)

/e: Just saw tetris' post. Well, that would have been TOO awesome. Still a very good item to have around.

It's not a blast, BramGaunt corrected himself shortly after.

Yeah I appended my post I'll edit my original one to prevent misinformation.

Not large blast, S10, assault 1 (one shot) but has an infinite range.

The Triarch Stalker is S7 which is nice, 3 attacks base. The heat ray has 2 modes of fire, Focussed: 24" S8 AP1 Heavy 2, Melta or Dispersed: Template S5 AP4 Heavy 1.

Plus the targeting relay thingy, 150 base in Elites slot.

azrakyr can potentially drop 3 tanks a turn. Thats makes me smile

Hey, Decapitator, how is the triarch stalker targeting relay worded? If it fires it's particle weapon (the large blast one) and hits multiple units, do they all get painted with the targeting relay as well?

FalkorsRaiders wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:An overlord as basic with default wargear Staff of Light is the same as a standard 5 man SM Tac Squad.

So 120 for the Overlord with the scythe and arrow. If i believe the ccb is 90 pts, thats 210 for the set, less than the stormlord and maybe even more effective?

You arrived at the right number, but the wrong way. The Barge is 10 points cheaper, the Lord is 10 points heavier.

It does seem to be very easy to spend a giant amount of points on your HQ slot, but if you've got a Royal Court and split them up to lead other units, it's more realistic to add their cost to the cost of the unit, not your HQ. That might deflate the HQ chunk a bit.

So my fedex delivery says:
"Nov 3, 2011 by 12:00 PM"

and I'm having it shipped to the store, they likely won't give it to me till saturday, will they? :(

Cryage wrote:So my fedex delivery says:
"Nov 3, 2011 by 12:00 PM"

and I'm having it shipped to the store, they likely won't give it to me till saturday, will they? :(

Multiple sources have said there's no street date for the nov. 5th release, so there's a good chance that your store will sell it as soon as it's in stock.

I'm crossing my fingers that i'll get my hands on all my new toys tomorrow evening.

The Decapitator wrote:Monolith doesn't get any protection from DS mishap. Plus if it's held in reserve it HAS to be deployed by DS.

Well, Monoliths are almost unplayable until 6th Ed. gets here. And even then...

Due to its size, DS mishap is just way too likely to ever attempt a Deep Strike with a Monolith now. And even with the rumoured 6th Ed. DS rules, given that the meta-game is filled with MSU armies, when will you ever be able to safely Deep Strike the Monolith 18" away from any enemy unit without actually putting the Monolith so far away that you may as well have not even bothered at all?

The only way the Monolith will be useful as anything but an anchor will be if the Heavy rule changes to protect it from DS Mishaps, at least as far as enemy units are concerned.

I'm fielding a monolith just to attract fire... hopefully it keeps my opponents occupied so my arks can do some advancing/damage.

Okay, saw the part with the large blast, was about to comment an apology, then saw that bram changed and decided to still give an apology. Sorry man, I was being a dick. On to something fun. Did some mathhammering during some not-supposed-to-be-free-time free-time and came up with some stats for the warscythe roll for armor pen. I was bored and feel like I'd rather post the work that isn't needed then leave it be. With the warscythe being 2d6 armor pen and +2str:

Against AV 10:
Fail: Double ones (1/36 or .028)
Glance: A combination of a one and a two (2/36 or .056)
Pen: Any other combination (33/36 or .917)

Against AV 11:
Fail: [1,1] [1,2] [2,1] (3/36 or .083)
Glance: [1,3] [3,1] [2,2] (3/36 or .083)
Pen: Any other combination (30/36 or .833)

Against AV 12:
Fail: [1,1] [1,2] [1,3] [2,1] [3,1] [2,2] (6/36 or .167)
Glance: [1,4] [2,3] [3,2] [4,1] (4/36 or .111)
Pen: Any other combination (26/36 or .722)

Against AV 13:
Fail: [1,1] [1,2] [1,3] [1,4] [2,1] [2,2] [2,3] [3,1] [3,2] [4,1] (10/36 or .278)
Glance: [1,5] [2,4] [3,3] [4,2] [5,1] (5/36 or .139)
Pen: Any other combination (21/36 or .583)

Against AV 14:
Fail: [1,1] [1,2] [1,3] [1,4] [1,5] [2,1] [2,2] [2,3] [2,4] [3,1] [3,2] [3,3] [4,1] [4,2] [5,1] (15/36 or .417)
Glance: [1,6] [2,5] [3,4] [4,3] [5,2] [6,1] (6/36 or .167)
Pen: Any other combination (15/36 or .417)

except against av 14, basically against monoliths or land raiders (i may have missed like 1 vehicle), the lord has over 50% chance of penetrating a vehicle with the scythe, since a lot of vehicles have rear armor 10, the drive by ccb sweep will penetrate over 9 times out of 10, and you get three attacks to do this.

Targeting Relay: If a Triarch Stalker shoots at an enemy unit and manages at least 1 hit, place a counter or coin next to the target. All other friendly units that shoot at the same target later in the same shooting phase count their weapons as twin-linked.

GiantSlingshot wrote:

FalkorsRaiders wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:An overlord as basic with default wargear Staff of Light is the same as a standard 5 man SM Tac Squad.

So 120 for the Overlord with the scythe and arrow. If i believe the ccb is 90 pts, thats 210 for the set, less than the stormlord and maybe even more effective?

You arrived at the right number, but the wrong way. The Barge is 10 points cheaper, the Lord is 10 points heavier.

Of course I'd mess up, but now I know, and knowing is half the battle. G.I. Joe!

tetrisphreak wrote:

Cryage wrote:So my fedex delivery says:
"Nov 3, 2011 by 12:00 PM"

and I'm having it shipped to the store, they likely won't give it to me till saturday, will they? :(

Multiple sources have said there's no street date for the nov. 5th release, so there's a good chance that your store will sell it as soon as it's in stock.

I'm crossing my fingers that i'll get my hands on all my new toys tomorrow evening.

I have not found any source, fully trustworthy enough to say it. Otherwise I might have had my stuff already

raknosha wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:

Cryage wrote:So my fedex delivery says:
"Nov 3, 2011 by 12:00 PM"

and I'm having it shipped to the store, they likely won't give it to me till saturday, will they? :(

Multiple sources have said there's no street date for the nov. 5th release, so there's a good chance that your store will sell it as soon as it's in stock.

I'm crossing my fingers that i'll get my hands on all my new toys tomorrow evening.

I have not found any source, fully trustworthy enough to say it. Otherwise I might have had my stuff already

There is a street date of Nov 5. It is on the web site. Look at Armies -> Necrons -> Army Essentials -> Codex -> "available for pre-order" -> "pre-order details" -> Nov 5th

The Decapitator wrote:Targeting Relay: If a Triarch Stalker shoots at an enemy unit and manages at least 1 hit, place a counter or coin next to the target. All other friendly units that shoot at the same target later in the same shooting phase count their weapons as twin-linked.

I wonder if anrakyr's ability to control an enemy vehicle for shooting allows it to be considered a "friendly unit" for the short time you control it? I doubt it is, but I would laugh so hard when I take stuff over and have it twin-linked. "I rolled a 1 to shoot? let's try that again."

The Decapitator wrote:Targeting Relay: If a Triarch Stalker shoots at an enemy unit and manages at least 1 hit, place a counter or coin next to the target. All other friendly units that shoot at the same target later in the same shooting phase count their weapons as twin-linked.

Sounds like if the stalker fires the particle weapon upgrade and hits more than one unit with the blast, you can get possible twin linkage on multiple units.