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Does it seem like the FW office wrote the rules and did the CAD work then distribution is handled by GW proper? It’s available throughout the GW site and through the GW distribution channel coming from their production line. That’s why it’s plastic.

 Overread wrote:
Imperator is big and likely would easily start to hit the near £100 model bracket. So I figure we won't see one for a long while yet, AT needs a lot more of its core game out, perhaps even as far as Chaos and Xenos before GW can consider building something that big and expensive.

Head Designer was on stream saying they plan to bring new titans to life before they do xenos, and xenos before epic. So, take that as you want.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hi! Stupid question: These new sprues are plastic?

Since when are FW doing plastic expansions? And why did Necromunda get them? I hate resin...

Forge World are now part of the Specialist Games Studio. It's difficult from an outside point of view to say where one begins and the other ends, I suspect part of this expansion involved moving experienced FW staff on to supervisory roles in the dept so they're now the gin in the tonic.

Upshot being that FW doesn't do plastic, but SGS does.

I'm curious if it's possible to make a Frankenstein monster out of those Cerastus knight kit by mix and match arms.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hi! Stupid question: These new sprues are plastic?

Since when are FW doing plastic expansions? And why did Necromunda get them? I hate resin...

Economy of scale. Most all titanicus players will buy one or more of these sprues, since they provide both awesome cosmetic variants, but commonly used weapons for a handful of models. Compare Necromunda, where weapons upgrades are split among 6 gangs so far, cutting the customer base for each sprue.

 cole1114 wrote:
I'd rather get lucius versions of models before getting an imperator. I vastly prefer lucius titans to mars ones, the boxier look is just... satisfying.

I hate to be the bearer of ill tidings, but they've said they want to focus on new models and add ons rather than do a different style of the same Titan.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hi! Stupid question: These new sprues are plastic?

Since when are FW doing plastic expansions? And why did Necromunda get them? I hate resin...

Andy Hoare said at one of the open days that it was always planned to be in resin, then when the game went to the GW forecasting team they said that it would be too popular for resin production to keep up so it should be moved to plastic, this resulted in one of the delays to the release of AT.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hi! Stupid question: These new sprues are plastic?

Since when are FW doing plastic expansions? And why did Necromunda get them? I hate resin...

Andy Hoare said at one of the open days that it was always planned to be in resin, then when the game went to the GW forecasting team they said that it would be too popular for resin production to keep up so it should be moved to plastic, this resulted in one of the delays to the release of AT.

I believe it was also due to the fact that when AT started it was a resin sideproject, but then GW had a big shift in attitude toward their specialist games in moving them from an expensive corner of Forgeworld to the mainstream in plastic. This makes a huge difference to advertising, marketing and sales because highstreet plastic and normal distribution chain means it gets a lot more attention; whilst FW only is limited in market right from the onset (remember some clubs have only one or two bits of FW kicking around; they are not buying whole armies or games from there)

 Overread wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hi! Stupid question: These new sprues are plastic?

Since when are FW doing plastic expansions? And why did Necromunda get them? I hate resin...

Andy Hoare said at one of the open days that it was always planned to be in resin, then when the game went to the GW forecasting team they said that it would be too popular for resin production to keep up so it should be moved to plastic, this resulted in one of the delays to the release of AT.

I believe it was also due to the fact that when AT started it was a resin sideproject, but then GW had a big shift in attitude toward their specialist games in moving them from an expensive corner of Forgeworld to the mainstream in plastic. This makes a huge difference to advertising, marketing and sales because highstreet plastic and normal distribution chain means it gets a lot more attention; whilst FW only is limited in market right from the onset (remember some clubs have only one or two bits of FW kicking around; they are not buying whole armies or games from there)

Has to be remembered that there will eventually be resin upgrade sets for the Titans at some point, they've indicated that the Reavers Warp Missile for instance will likely be in resin.

Yep they did say some weapons would come in resin, likely the kind of weapon limited to 1 per army or a one-shot-wonder type weapon. Ergo things that are very exotic and not standard issue

 Overread wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hi! Stupid question: These new sprues are plastic?

Since when are FW doing plastic expansions? And why did Necromunda get them? I hate resin...

Andy Hoare said at one of the open days that it was always planned to be in resin, then when the game went to the GW forecasting team they said that it would be too popular for resin production to keep up so it should be moved to plastic, this resulted in one of the delays to the release of AT.

I believe it was also due to the fact that when AT started it was a resin sideproject, but then GW had a big shift in attitude toward their specialist games in moving them from an expensive corner of Forgeworld to the mainstream in plastic.

This is restating what I said, except missing out that Forecasting caused that big shift because they predicted big sales for the game.It would never have become plastic if it wasn't predicted to sell well, and Andy would never have been given the extra time and money to develop the game into what it became without that support.

Obviously shifting it into plastic helps sales further, but it already was going to be a massive seller according to the Forecasting team.

I wonder where that line was.

Big sales in resin is one thing, because I’m guessing it’s relative. For instance, I don’t have a Heresy Army, because I find the tank prices too much, and I really don’t like working with resin,

Plastic? Higher start up costs for sure. But as a medium, it’s got a wider appeal, and a better price point (or is at least perceived to be). The finished models are also somewhat less fragile than resin, so people may be happier to transport it.

I guess what I’m getting at is where is the tipping point? If you project you’ll sell say, 100 in Resin but 150 in plastic, is that cost effective enough to greenlight the base cost of plastic? As ever, these are just numbers out my bum for illustrative purposes only

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wonder where that line was.

Big sales in resin is one thing, because I’m guessing it’s relative. For instance, I don’t have a Heresy Army, because I find the tank prices too much, and I really don’t like working with resin,

Plastic? Higher start up costs for sure. But as a medium, it’s got a wider appeal, and a better price point (or is at least perceived to be). The finished models are also somewhat less fragile than resin, so people may be happier to transport it.

I guess what I’m getting at is where is the tipping point? If you project you’ll sell say, 100 in Resin but 150 in plastic, is that cost effective enough to greenlight the base cost of plastic? As ever, these are just numbers out my bum for illustrative purposes only

There will be formulae. Maybe ask a resin producer on the forum (Mierce has a big thread, I haven't been in a while but the manufacturer did used to be quite active there).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wonder where that line was.

Because making anything non 40k/AoS is a risk to be flop like Dreadfleet. Especially for a big game like AT, the size and the amount of sprue need to make just a mono option Warlord already prove to be far more costly than the other Specialist Games at launch. They was very skeptical about going full plastic with this. But once they realized that their customer will be the one that spent thousand of dollar on 1 titan, and they wouldn't mind spending half of that for a full titans army, they take the risk and go all in with the plastic prodcution.

GW's tipping point for going to plastic is likely lower than most other manufacturers, as GW make their own plastics. They don't have to wait in Renedra's queue or go to China.

I'm not sure I agree with the odd assertion that the audience for Adeptus Titanicus is "people who buy 40k-scale titans". An Adeptus Titanicus force is no more expensive than an army for 40k or Age of Sigmar, after all.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
GW's tipping point for going to plastic is likely lower than most other manufacturers, as GW make their own plastics. They don't have to wait in Renedra's queue or go to China.

I'm not sure I agree with the odd assertion that the audience for Adeptus Titanicus is "people who buy 40k-scale titans". An Adeptus Titanicus force is no more expensive than an army for 40k or Age of Sigmar, after all.

Because you don't expect 40k players pay 110USD for a not-knight that they can't use in any game but this game, while they could just use that money to buy a 40k force instead. For a new game the entry cost of this game is high. Also you have to consider that someone also spent similar amount of money for his Titan force, so you can at least have 1 person that you can game with, assuming that they all make their own terrains so they don't have to spend even more.

Or maybe I was wrong and it's actually the Epic community lurking in the shadow for decade, only to come out and bought multiple copies of GM edtion causing it to sold out on the webstore. Or maybe some millionaire bought many GM boxes,... Which ever theories you prefer, in the end, GW did make a profit with this game.

Chopstick wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
GW's tipping point for going to plastic is likely lower than most other manufacturers, as GW make their own plastics. They don't have to wait in Renedra's queue or go to China.

I'm not sure I agree with the odd assertion that the audience for Adeptus Titanicus is "people who buy 40k-scale titans". An Adeptus Titanicus force is no more expensive than an army for 40k or Age of Sigmar, after all.

Because you don't expect 40k players pay 110USD for a not-knight that they can't use in any game but this game, while they could just use that money to buy a 40k force instead. For a new game the entry cost of this game is high.

Or maybe I was wrong and it's actually the Epic community lurking in the shadow for decade, only to come out and bought multiple copies of GM edtion causing it to sold out on the webstore. Or maybe some millionaire bought many GM boxes,... Which ever theories you prefer, in the end, GW did make a profit with this game.

Eh? WJat are you saying? That the success of AT is definitely either Epic oldschoolers or the Uberwealthy? And why would you expect 40K players to buy only 40K minis? Sorry dude I think you have it all wrong.

Chopstick wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
GW's tipping point for going to plastic is likely lower than most other manufacturers, as GW make their own plastics. They don't have to wait in Renedra's queue or go to China.

I'm not sure I agree with the odd assertion that the audience for Adeptus Titanicus is "people who buy 40k-scale titans". An Adeptus Titanicus force is no more expensive than an army for 40k or Age of Sigmar, after all.

Because you don't expect 40k players pay 110USD for a not-knight that they can't use in any game but this game...

Speak for yourself mate but I routinely put money in to figures from other game systems. If only I could use those Gripping Beast Vikings in games of 40K, damn...

I play 40k and AOS...and used to play Epic like a madman. My friends and I bought 3 GMs, 12 Reavers and 4 Warhound boxes. So yeah, there is demand. I still want 3 more Warlords, another 2-3 Reavers and maybe 1 more Warhound box...whatever I think Xestobiax could use. I plan on buying 2-3 boxes/packages of each Knight variant and weapon kit too.

So yes, there is demand for this product. I am likely also part of their unknown demographic as I mostly play Darklands and board games...ditto for my group. So how many more of us 40+ gamers who played AT and Epic back then are back? I would guess lots.

Chopstick wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wonder where that line was.

Because making anything non 40k/AoS that’s really crappy is a risk to be flop like Dreadfleet.

Fixed.

Dreadfleet was like opening a bag of Doritos and finding nothing but crumbs.

Yeah I've no idea where this "only Mr Richie Rich Owns a Titan Maniple For 40K is the target for AT" is coming from. Quite the reverse, most of the people I see collecting AT, myself included, are people who could never justify the cost of FW's lovely but giant, impractical, and rarely actually used in a game Titans.

In fact, I'd wager a fair few of the folk who were annoyed at the prospect of the upgrade sets being bundled with new engines fell into that camp, and found AT appealing before because it allows them to spend the equivalent of a modest 40K army on a single Maniple of Titans, and then spend a wee bit more than that on upgrades and magnets to give that one force of models the flexibility in builds and playstyle equivalent to several 40K armies.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
GW's tipping point for going to plastic is likely lower than most other manufacturers, as GW make their own plastics. They don't have to wait in Renedra's queue or go to China.

I'm not sure I agree with the odd assertion that the audience for Adeptus Titanicus is "people who buy 40k-scale titans". An Adeptus Titanicus force is no more expensive than an army for 40k or Age of Sigmar, after all.

I feel like many in the community haven't properly gotten their heads around the pricing for AT. You can get the rules and a very solid 1500 point maniple for $335 retail. With a 15% discount, you're at about $285.

Rules set $60
Warlord $110
Reaver $60
2 Warhounds $65
3 Knights $35
=$335

Yeah, there are people buying whole legion-sized forces, but what I posted there is enough to play a medium-sized game and have fun doing it. You also have some room to add another Reaver and fill an Axiom maniple, which should then clock in around 1850 points, I believe.

Regarding terrain, everyone's tables are works in progress. Most of us didn't start playing 40K or WHFB on gorgeous, finished tables. It took time to build them up, and until we did we used whatever we had. Same goes for AT.

The cost issue will also come down on its own as GW releases more knight and Reaver style models. Yes Warlords and other big titans will always feature, but when you can get into the game for a cheap rules pack and couple of boxes of knights and warhounds then the price comes down a lot for getting into the game.

GW might even release a getting started pack with a Reaver, warhounds, rules and knights in a box for standard getting starting rates

 Yodhrin wrote:
Yeah I've no idea where this "only Mr Richie Rich Owns a Titan Maniple For 40K is the target for AT" is coming from. Quite the reverse, most of the people I see collecting AT, myself included, are people who could never justify the cost of FW's lovely but giant, impractical, and rarely actually used in a game Titans.

In fact, I'd wager a fair few of the folk who were annoyed at the prospect of the upgrade sets being bundled with new engines fell into that camp, and found AT appealing before because it allows them to spend the equivalent of a modest 40K army on a single Maniple of Titans, and then spend a wee bit more than that on upgrades and magnets to give that one force of models the flexibility in builds and playstyle equivalent to several 40K armies.

Pretty much this.

Sure, the Warlord itself is quite the cash sink. £65 from GW, £48.75 from Darksphere, £55.25 from Element. If you want multiples, that gets steep fairly fast.

Thankfully, the game has little call to rely solely on the powerhouse ones. Mixed maniples are where the real experience lies. Add in magnets, and it actually becomes fairly cost effective once you’ve shelled out for the hulls. Spesh as it’s the weapon loadouts that bring the variety.

It’s not a game solely for those with the deepest pockets at all.

Honestly if you look at armies like Tyrands now then you can easily pay just as much if not more for multiple monstrous creatures as you can for the Titans.

2 questions i still have. Does new box have old weapon sprue as well and if not does it come separately as well. Ie if i want all weapon sprues for all titans can i buv net full box or should i buy original plus new weapon sprue

tneva82 wrote:
2 questions i still have. Does new box have old weapon sprue as well and if not does it come separately as well. Ie if i want all weapon sprues for all titans can i buv net full box or should i buy original plus new weapon sprue

I think we can assume the new box has just the new sprue for the same price. Why on earth they want to sell two separate SKUs and print different box art makes no sense to me but that’s what GW does.

This may be like the Land Raider situation where it’s best to buy the original LR and the Crusader upgrade sprue because you can no longer buy the LR lascannon sprue it you get the Crusader box.

The new Warlord is also worth getting if you don't magnetize weapons (as not everyone will).

Otherwise if you are magnetizing then chances are its best to get the regular Warlords and then pick up the upgrade kits in the new year when they come on sale.

 Fajita Fan wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
2 questions i still have. Does new box have old weapon sprue as well and if not does it come separately as well. Ie if i want all weapon sprues for all titans can i buv net full box or should i buy original plus new weapon sprue

I think we can assume the new box has just the new sprue for the same price. Why on earth they want to sell two separate SKUs and print different box art makes no sense to me but that’s what GW does.

This may be like the Land Raider situation where it’s best to buy the original LR and the Crusader upgrade sprue because you can no longer buy the LR lascannon sprue it you get the Crusader box.

That's the safe assumption but another could be it's the "complete" box so has them all for some increase in price.

And yes if it's going to be that the new box has no original weapon sprue and it doesn't come out on it's own(I tried to ask on FB but no comment so far) then I won't be buying the new box ever. I want all weapon options for all titans so in this case if I were to buy new box I would miss on missiles(this in particular hurts) and volcano cannons. I rather would indeed then buy the new weapon sprue and old box. Which would be bit pity as I would love to get even just 1 weapon sprue for now and Mortis COULD do with 2nd warlord. But price of not getting full weapon options would be too much to pay.

Well we'll find out whether the new box comes with old weapons ala 40k knights or not soon enough(I guess within 2 weeks).

JWBS wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
GW's tipping point for going to plastic is likely lower than most other manufacturers, as GW make their own plastics. They don't have to wait in Renedra's queue or go to China.

I'm not sure I agree with the odd assertion that the audience for Adeptus Titanicus is "people who buy 40k-scale titans". An Adeptus Titanicus force is no more expensive than an army for 40k or Age of Sigmar, after all.

Because you don't expect 40k players pay 110USD for a not-knight that they can't use in any game but this game, while they could just use that money to buy a 40k force instead. For a new game the entry cost of this game is high.

Or maybe I was wrong and it's actually the Epic community lurking in the shadow for decade, only to come out and bought multiple copies of GM edtion causing it to sold out on the webstore. Or maybe some millionaire bought many GM boxes,... Which ever theories you prefer, in the end, GW did make a profit with this game.

Eh? WJat are you saying? That the success of AT is definitely either Epic oldschoolers or the Uberwealthy? And why would you expect 40K players to buy only 40K minis? Sorry dude I think you have it all wrong.

I'm a lurking epic player...haven't given GW a dime since 5th edition 40k, and I went all in on AT18. Not Uber wealthy....I think there are a lot of people with fond memories of the original AT that just had to buy...if nothing else, the titians are great upgrades for the epic armies...