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Those are some really excellent tiny helmet stripes.
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It looks like every Legion had some Painting Channel that painted up the boxed set - ie - Ash did the Raven Guard, Vince did the Alpha Legion, Broadsword Gaming did the Word Bearers, Pete the Wargamer did the World Eaters, SN Battle Reports did Imperial Fists, Table Top Titans did the Night Lords, etc. Who did the Dark Angels? Was that the only Legion that didn't have a Channel paint a legion? Were there any pictures of them at the Horus Heresy Open Day?
boyd wrote: It looks like every Legion had some Painting Channel that painted up the boxed set - ie - Ash did the Raven Guard, Vince did the Alpha Legion, Broadsword Gaming did the Word Bearers, Pete the Wargamer did the World Eaters, SN Battle Reports did Imperial Fists, Table Top Titans did the Night Lords, etc. Who did the Dark Angels? Was that the only Legion that didn't have a Channel paint a legion? Were there any pictures of them at the Horus Heresy Open Day?
The Dark Angels were stuck in shipping and didn't arrive in time for the event, which led to lots of speculation and broken hearts, but if you go back far enough in this thread I believe someone identified who painted them. They might have pictures of their own up somewhere.
EDIT: Doh, nope. That was Night Lords. Nevermind.
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boyd wrote: It looks like every Legion had some Painting Channel that painted up the boxed set - ie - Ash did the Raven Guard, Vince did the Alpha Legion, Broadsword Gaming did the Word Bearers, Pete the Wargamer did the World Eaters, SN Battle Reports did Imperial Fists, Table Top Titans did the Night Lords, etc. Who did the Dark Angels? Was that the only Legion that didn't have a Channel paint a legion? Were there any pictures of them at the Horus Heresy Open Day?
The Dark Angels were stuck in shipping and didn't arrive in time for the event, which led to lots of speculation and broken hearts, but if you go back far enough in this thread I believe someone identified who painted them. They might have pictures of their own up somewhere.
EDIT: Doh, nope. That was Night Lords. Nevermind.
Found it now - Dark Angels were painted up for the event by Original Applesauce.
boyd wrote: It looks like every Legion had some Painting Channel that painted up the boxed set - ie - Ash did the Raven Guard, Vince did the Alpha Legion, Broadsword Gaming did the Word Bearers, Pete the Wargamer did the World Eaters, SN Battle Reports did Imperial Fists, Table Top Titans did the Night Lords, etc. Who did the Dark Angels? Was that the only Legion that didn't have a Channel paint a legion? Were there any pictures of them at the Horus Heresy Open Day?
The Dark Angels were stuck in shipping and didn't arrive in time for the event, which led to lots of speculation and broken hearts, but if you go back far enough in this thread I believe someone identified who painted them. They might have pictures of their own up somewhere.
EDIT: Doh, nope. That was Night Lords. Nevermind.
Found it now - Dark Angels were painted up for the event by Original Applesauce.
I think I found my answer - Per Reddit, they were slated to be done by Miniac but he outsourced them to Original Applesauce.
Yeah, very quick and dirty. Didn't even do anything with the under-suit, cables and joins. And the leader's cloak and tabard are just washed leather (same as the gun straps) with all edging and details in mono-tones.
On the other hand, they can easily be used as Iron Hands, Silver Skulls or generic chapter #332.
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Yeah, very quick and dirty. Didn't even do anything with the under-suit, cables and joins. And the leader's cloak and tabard are just washed leather (same as the gun straps) with all edging and details in mono-tones.
On the other hand, they can easily be used as Iron Hands, Silver Skulls or generic chapter #332.
yeah you know it;'s bad when my first reaction on seeing something like that is "......... uhh I could paint that better"
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Yeah, poor showing for what was sent to them to literally be part of the promotional material to hype people up.
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blood reaper wrote: To be honest, I 100% expect (when GW puts out the World Eater codex) for there to be plenty of warbands using the blue and white armour scheme rather than the traditional red and brass - just like they did with the Death Guard.
Im absolutely doing my 40k World Eaters in the preheresy scheme myself
I've also decided that I'm going to buy and box and paint them in Tamiya's transparent candy red and adorn them as Flesh Tearers, with the justification that they're a representation of a Second Founding chapter right at its birth, so carrying a whole bunch of pre-Heresy elements over. I basically just wanted to paint candy red, and I didn't want to do Blood Angels or Word Bearers, and I already have a force of (blue) Thousand Sons, so that's that.
There's been a few indications here and there that, for some Legions, their second founding chapters are existing Chapters within the legion's organization (effectively a Chapter is what we'd probably call a regiment or battalion, a level of organization for companies). Iirc, this came up particularly with the Ultramarines destroyer Chapter in the Roboute Primarch novel.
In any case 'Flesh Tearers' could very well be an informal name for a unit that's been operating independently for a while under a separate expedition fleet or some such.
Also there's the fact that 'official' color schemes are part of the Codex Astartes, which doesn't exist yet. (though it also has camo patterns and distinct environmental color schemes that GW doesn't talk about anymore).
The Flesh Tearers were exactly that, they started out as the 5th company of the Blood Angels. Their first Chapter Master, Nassir Amit, was the Captain of the Company and he was known to spend time in the World Eaters gladiator pits where he became an oath-brother of Kharn and there earned the nickname "the Flesh Tearer" from the World Eaters, which he would later give to his newly formed second founding Blood Angels chapter. He and his company were known for their bloodthirstiness and extreme brutality and were often censured by Sanguinius for going too far.
EDIT - Worth also mentioning that Sigismund and the Black Templars have a similar story. That whole "we chain ourselves to our weapons thing" is a tradition they inherited from the World Eaters, as Sigismund was also a regular in the gladiator pits (where he earned the epithet of "the Black Knight") and similarly oath-bonded himself with Kharn. World Eaters would chain themselves to their weapons so that they could drop them quickly in order to switch from bolter to blade and vice versa without losing the weapon - they used the chain to pull the weapon back to themselves once they had an opportunity to recover it safely (though later on when the butchers nails took its hold amongst the legions it became a matter of necessity otherwise the legion would quickly lose its weapons on the field of battle). Sigismund took that and turned it into a religious oathy crusader thing.
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Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
I try not too eaither, I mean it's not bad it's just suprising as useally the people who get these models early are waaay sharper.
or maybe I'm jst getting better and my expectations are raising?
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So, the IW painter is Greg Dann. He is one the few in HH gaming/hobbying that persisted through thick and thin over the last, what 10 years? By virture of his standing with HH community he should be given a pass. He and like one other community podcasting group were among the very few flickering flames in the darkness.
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ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
I try not too eaither, I mean it's not bad it's just suprising as useally the people who get these models early are waaay sharper.
or maybe I'm jst getting better and my expectations are raising?
A couple of youtubers put up videos of them painting the models, I have only watched a couple of them but it seemed to me that they probably weren't given enough time to do a high quality paint job on 50 infantry, 2 characters a dreadnought and a tank. That's a lot to paint in anything other than a very basic paint scheme, and it seems like a lot of folk made heavy use of airbrushes and even rattle cans to speed paint them.
That said, I don't really mind that, it's nice to see how people get models done to an okay standard quickly rather than a super high standard so slowly that a regular person would never have the time to do a whole army (at least not before the rules change or GW drops the game).
I'm more critical of GW's painting tutorials because not only are they not a high standard, they also so often do them in a way that is also not quick to paint.
ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
I try not too eaither, I mean it's not bad it's just suprising as useally the people who get these models early are waaay sharper.
or maybe I'm jst getting better and my expectations are raising?
A couple of youtubers put up videos of them painting the models, I have only watched a couple of them but it seemed to me that they probably weren't given enough time to do a high quality paint job on 50 infantry, 2 characters a dreadnought and a tank. That's a lot to paint in anything other than a very basic paint scheme, and it seems like a lot of folk made heavy use of airbrushes and even rattle cans to speed paint them.
That said, I don't really mind that, it's nice to see how people get models done to an okay standard quickly rather than a super high standard so slowly that a regular person would never have the time to do a whole army (at least not before the rules change or GW drops the game).
I'm more critical of GW's painting tutorials because not only are they not a high standard, they also so often do them in a way that is also not quick to paint.
Yeah, inside the UK they had more time because easier shipping, but the US had like a week and some of them still couldn't make it out of customs so I'm not shocked that things were kept "table top" levels for most people's projects.
ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
Generally I agree (if Bob wants to show off his guys, I'm not going to wander into P&M and tell him off), but when they're part of a showcase event to show off the legions? That's just weird.
blood reaper wrote: To be honest, I 100% expect (when GW puts out the World Eater codex) for there to be plenty of warbands using the blue and white armour scheme rather than the traditional red and brass - just like they did with the Death Guard.
Im absolutely doing my 40k World Eaters in the preheresy scheme myself
To be fair, you and everyone else would be perfectly in accordance with Original Canon. The Slaves to Darkness list, iirc, mentioned that World Eater Assault Squads were generally composed of Heresy veterans, where the occasional glimpse of their original blue and white colours could still be seen. For such a throwaway sentence, it had a big effect in making the Eaters feel that little bit more alive to me at the time.
The IW force is clearly unfinished. I imagine the black shoulders were supposed to be chevroned. The rest looks unfinished too, and there's barely any models there. Did someone say they were subbed out to him? It looks like one of them, the painter or the guy that passed them to him, messed up by not leaving enough time.
themonk wrote: So, the IW painter is Greg Dann. He is one the few in HH gaming/hobbying that persisted through thick and thin over the last, what 10 years? By virture of his standing with HH community he should be given a pass. He and like one other community podcasting group were among the very few flickering flames in the darkness.
I’ve known Greg for….probably 20 years now. When he champions something, he champions it.
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JWBS wrote: The IW force is clearly unfinished. I imagine the black shoulders were supposed to be chevroned. The rest looks unfinished too, and there's barely any models there. Did someone say they were subbed out to him? It looks like one of them, the painter or the guy that passed them to him, messed up by not leaving enough time.
I don't know the story, but it seems GW didn't leave anyone much time. Zorpazorp, Broadsword Wargaming and Vince Venturella have all posted YT videos up of their adventures with the set and the vibe I get is none of them had a lot of time.
So if someone was supposed to paint them and had to pass them on to someone else, I can only assume that the someone else wouldn't have had much time.
GW have sent out models in the past to community members, it's a great idea but maybe this time they underestimated how long it takes to paint such a big box of models.
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JWBS wrote: Did someone say they were subbed out to him? It looks like one of them, the painter or the guy that passed them to him, messed up by not leaving enough time.
So if someone was supposed to paint them and had to pass them on to someone else, I can only assume that the someone else wouldn't have had much time
I don't know about anyone else, but from GW's perspective, i'd be more then a touch miffed if I'd sent a box like this out to someone for painting/review, and then had that person pass it on to a 3rd part to handle.
. I might try it, but dunno xD
