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Hello I am a dysletix, and while I feel that I do get along nicely on this forum miss spellings is really annoying to other people. I am at an in-pass of what should be done about it. Personally I proclaim this in my sign as I am hoping other people will have a better understanding of the information. I was wondering if it is possible to have an option under the profile to check a box if you are dyslectic. This comes up under your threads, it people do not know what that is they could hover over it like for "shorts of things" and it would say "dyslectic people have reading and spelling disorder. Please keep this in mind when reading their posts". That way it would encourage people who are dyslectic or perhaps have other writing/reading disorders to be more openly handicapped.

I am not suggesting it to "keep tabs" on dyletics. I am not for a "big brother society". But I feel that this would improve the opennes on these boards. I really like dakkadakka.

Or if all else fails, could we just get some text if you hover over the word dyslectic? I think that at least would be a small step to help these forums out. I do not think it would be abused by trolls as an excuse to spell poorly.

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I am a dyslectic, so bear with me.

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If you install Firefox or Chrome, it will underline misspellings and you can right click them to correct them. I'm not sure if that would help or not.

Otherwise, the note you have in your signature is all the accommodation I suspect you'll find, or need, really.

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As noted, most web browser have either an in-built ability or an installable plugin to spell check text.

Failing that, you can use a word processor program and write/spell check your text in there before posting. It is a few clicks more but if it results in better communication, then it is all good.

What some posters don't appreciate is that Dakka really is a global community and there are many posters for whom English is not a first language. Good spelling, punctuation and grammar goes a long way to helping people understand you and what you are trying to say. Ultimately, in a text based environment, that is what it is all about.

Putting a note in your signature box is fine and while I have the utmost sympathy for those who suffer from dyslexia, there really isn't much of an excuse not to use the options listed above. You may have to do slightly more work to post than the average user but it is a net gain if people can understand what you are trying to say.

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I have the flaming fox. It help out a lot. However, the last pages of this thread by wargey is just riveted with bad remarks. True, not all of them are about spelling.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/492288.page

I feel that I can stand up for myself, however, there are probably other dyslexics on this forum that are less resourceful when it comes to positioning themselves in a good public light. It would be nice if it was a way to include them more. It would probably generate good publicity for this forum as it would benefit 5 to 10 % of the population.(wikipedia,org) Probably less users of this forum since they would naturally shun it. However if dakkdadakka was more including of dyslexics with gestures like that it would probably increase the percentage that come here.

Would it at the very least be possible to highlight the word dyslectic and make it read "A person with chronicle reading/spelling disorder." Like when you write FW and you hover your mouse over the text it will read "Forge World"?


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 filbert wrote:
Putting a note in your signature box is fine and while I have the utmost sympathy for those who suffer from dyslexia, there really isn't much of an excuse not to use the options listed above. You may have to do slightly more work to post than the average user but it is a net gain if people can understand what you are trying to say.


I tend to use the options suggested and try to find the right word. I have also been working a lot with my spelling for a long long time. I am still in school at an age of 28 (University) that is a very writing/reading dependent environment. I am fine. But I am not the average dyslexic. Most people who have it has such a firm grasp of what they are writing they do not see the problems with connotation. The dyslectic writer knows what he has written. He/she would have written it in a way they think it is spelled. When the red lines pop up under the word they can see that the computer does not acknowledge the spelling of the word, but looking at the alternatives they do not make sense at all. That is just the top of the ice berg. I am for people using their time to correct the posts they are putting up for the greater of the community. But when you are dyslexic it can take as much as one hour just to write five sentences and correcting them. To hold them to the same standards as the rest of the posters is just not right. It would be like demanding people in wheel chairs to walk up stairs, or to change the font in colours that are discriminating against colourblind people. Of course if the dyslectic does not correct his/her spelling it could turn into a rhetorical problem regarding having people take you seriously. I just feel that having some way to encourage dyslectics to communicate this to the community would be a positive addition here on dakkadakka.

Currently there are 6647 people on this site (number taken from the front dakkadakka.) Assuming that they are a representative amount of the population that would mean that between 322 and 665 are dyslectic. Of course there might actually be less dyslectics using the internet, forums or playing war games in general due to the language threshold. Also, in japan and china they do not have the diagnose, probably in other countries as well. But dyslectic are drawn to express their creativity so model war gaming is right up their ally. Between 322 and 665 would not seem like a bad number. Also, this was just a snap shot. There would probably be more dyslectics coming through this community during an entire week. If dakkadakka had some noticeable including gesture for dyslectics then perhaps more of them would become active users and the community would grow. "Aaaaah...but Niiai, do we want dyslectic people in here? Would it not just be worse spelling?" While the spelling in the posts will get slightly worse dyslexics are often very creative and the finished painted models would get some amassing pictures. Also, just because they are handicapped does not mean that they should not be included.

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I am a dyslectic, so bear with me.

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I think having it in your sig' like you do is all you need really, people can see that and will make allowances (I did when I first saw one of your posts).
At least most people now understand what dyslexia is; so as you have it, it should be enough.

I'm slightly dyslexic myself, so I know what it can be like.
I'm one of those people that do get a little annoyed with bad spelling/typing in posts but that's mostly because it makes it harder for me to read and understand what's being said.

Using the spell checker in firefox/chrome is fine for most words but it will not recognise specialist words/abbreviations and you therefore end up with loads of underlined words if you're discussing things such as warhammer etc... but it should help you with most normal words.
I did try using this in firefox for a bit but I got fed up of seeing loads of underlined words that I knew were right, I prefer to just check over and re-read my posts before submitting them and any words i'm not sure about I'll stick into google to check the spelling (such as "abbreviations").
There's many non-dyslexic people that could benefit from using this as well, or at the very least reading their post before clicking "submit".

It's not a bad idea for adding dyslexic as an highlighted word but one problem is that it only works when the person typing it spells it correctly, which is a major problem for many dyslexics.
I've always wondered why they gave a disability where you have problems spelling such a difficult word to spell.
So maybe adding it as a check-box sig' addition with tagged explaination might be the way to go.


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Frankly, I always thought your spelling and punctuation was above par for someone from a non-English speaking country. I always attributed any anomalies I saw to simply not being a native speaker.

While I'm sympathetic toward your situation, there come such extremes that any effort at communication fails. One of my best friends from high school was like that. The people in the thread you referenced arguably went about it the wrong way, but what would the ideal reaction to that thread look like? Not everyone is going to have the time, patience, and resources to hand-hold someone through a conversation trying to understand what on earth it is that they are trying to get it. On a lot of the (granted, more technical in subject matter) boards I've been to, you'll simply get blown off if you do not present yourself as if you have your ducks in a row, so to speak.

Given the above, which is the superior outcome, telling someone that they need to fix formatting and spelling before they will be taken seriously, thus challenging them to do better, or callously ignoring the thread?

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 Dr H wrote:
I did try using this in firefox for a bit but I got fed up of seeing loads of underlined words that I knew were right


You can right click specialized 40k words, like melta, and hit "add to dictionary" so it stops underlining them.

Anyways, back to the OP - I've seen your horrid spelling, but then saw your sig and your flag and realized that you're not only dyslexic but probably not even a native English speaker, and anyone who still feels the need to complain is really going to regardless of any accommodations made on the site.

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 Niiai wrote:

It would probably generate good publicity for this forum as it would benefit 5 to 10 % of the population.(wikipedia,org) Probably less users of this forum since they would naturally shun it. However if dakkdadakka was more including of dyslexics with gestures like that it would probably increase the percentage that come here.

Good point.

Most people who have it has such a firm grasp of what they are writing they do not see the problems with connotation. The dyslectic writer knows what he has written. He/she would have written it in a way they think it is spelled. When the red lines pop up under the word they can see that the computer does not acknowledge the spelling of the word, but looking at the alternatives they do not make sense at all.

A very good point.

I am for people using their time to correct the posts they are putting up for the greater of the community. But when you are dyslexic it can take as much as one hour just to write five sentences and correcting them.

Ha, just in the time it took to write my last post there was 4 more other posts added, after I said about checking my posts through carefully.

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I'm a callous person, but when I see a non-English speaking flag, I usually give some leeway with their ability to spell English words properly. It's when I see English speaking flags (particularly 'MURICAN flags) that makes me cringe.

Your spelling doesn't bother me, and it does even less so now that I see your fancy dyslexic tag in your signature. I don't think an addendum to the grammar/spelling rule saying, please be aware that some posters may have Dyslexia which may come across as bad spelling and grammar skills.

But as others have said, putting the Dyslexic blurb in your sig might be the best bet you've got.

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 Ouze wrote:
 Dr H wrote:
I did try using this in firefox for a bit but I got fed up of seeing loads of underlined words that I knew were right


You can right click specialized 40k words, like melta, and hit "add to dictionary" so it stops underlining them.

Yeah, good point. I knew word did this but didn't think firefox did for some reason.
I think I got bored of adding words to a dictionary after writing a thesis in chemistry... so many words...



Anyways, back to the OP - I've seen your horrid spelling, but then saw your sig and your flag and realized that you're not only dyslexic but probably not even a native English speaker, and anyone who still feels the need to complain is really going to regardless of any accommodations made on the site.

Yeah, if someone isn't going to pay attention to it in your sig then they won't when it's yellow.
But, there are some people out there that may change their minds if they are educated about what it means to be dyslexic.


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I think some posters should learn a lesson from this brave man and warn the rest of us by putting "I'm a giant jerk!" in their signatures...

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 kronk wrote:
I think some posters should learn a lesson from this brave man and warn the rest of us by putting "I'm a giant jerk!" in their signatures...


That might just excuse them... but I'm a giant jerk! so I can say so.


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 kronk wrote:
I think some posters should learn a lesson from this brave man and warn the rest of us by putting "I'm a giant jerk!" in their signatures...


Fine Kronk, I'll put it in my sig... Ya Giant Jerk

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 kronk wrote:
I think some posters should learn a lesson from this brave man and warn the rest of us by putting "I'm a giant jerk!" in their signatures...


I prefer it in occupation.

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 kronk wrote:
I think some posters should learn a lesson from this brave man and warn the rest of us by putting "I'm a giant jerk!" in their signatures...


Done.

I don't understand why any native English speaker would attempt to hold a non native speaker to the same standards. Hell, I'm just impressed if an invididual is multilingual, I wish I could speak another language. Just ignore the asshats.

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Ah the old "use a spell checker" argument.

As someone who is quite severely dyslexic this argument is the most annoying and frustrating one people can put across for two reasons. Yes, 90% of the time it works fine, but 10% of the time it gives the wrong word, or you have a list of 5-6 words and you have no idea which is correct, or can't find anything at all.

As an example (Sorry Niiai, just the first one I happend to see. I do it all the time)

 Niiai wrote:
While the spelling in the posts will get slightly worse dyslexics are often very creative and the finished painted models would get some amassing pictures. Also, just because they are handicapped does not mean that they should not be included.


Amassing rather than amazing, something you can read 100 times and not see and your spell checker would say it was right.

Anyone who knows someone who is deaf will know a hearing aid dose not mean they can hear the same as a non deaf person, glasses do not fix the sight of someone who is partially sited, and a spell checker dose not fix the spelling of a dyslexic. It is very annoying to make a post and then have someone pull it appart because you have used Your rather than You're or Witch rather than Which.

It is frustrating when you get abused or ignored because of some poor spelling that you have tried, and spent a long time trying to correct, and missed something.

I must admit part of my anger is the argument of "It's a text baised environment". It's like saying wheel chair users should be excluded from shops because they slow people down who can't get past, or the blind should stay inside because people have to walk round them sometimes. People trying to exclued us from a major part of modern society because of a minor proplem. I'm sorry but I am starting to get very tired of the way people with SPLD's are treated like they are being lazy because there disability is not visable. People should try and make what the are writting understandable, but we just ask for some understanding that it will not always work.

Equaly however I don't know if a button would work. How many people do you come across as a dyslexic who claim to be dyslexic when they just can't spell? I would say about 50% of the people I have met who claim to be dysexlic just use it to excuse poor spelling (If I suspect it as there spelling and actions don't fit classic dyslexic patterns I ask them about there assesment and strenghts, the normaly start telling me about how they are self diagnosed and have non of the other dyslexic problems).

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Thank you for the support Dr H and Steve Stevenson.

I do not think a button would be the omega answer to the dyslectic handicapped but I think it would raise awareness about the problem an that would help tremendously. As a concrete suggestion of doing something about this how would this be:

1: Ad the word "dyslectic" and "dyslexia" to the list of words that get highlighted. When you hoover you mouse over it this text would show up: "People with dyslexia have a cronicol reading and writing disability. Please keep this in mind."

2: When people registrar a new account, as well as adding a box you can check on the profile you can check if you are dyslectic. This will add a line in your signature (before the rest of the signature) that reads: "I am diagnosed with dyslexia." When people hoover their mouse pointer over it they will see the text in bulletpoint one.

This will raise awareness about the handicap and have positive effects on these forums. More dyslectic people will join here on dakkadakka. People who are bad spellers will probably make some ekstra effort not to be branded handicapped. Dyslectics are less likely to instigate "flaming". The handicap will be less severe as it will be more visible, currently dyslectics are invisible rude people who do not "take the time to spell" in the yes of the public while in reality we are probably working much harder for it while only getting negative feedback in response. And last: People with dyslectic would not feel so bad about them self whenever they dare to actually write something.

I am a dyslectic, so bear with me.

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I would like a flag for colorblindness (I'm Deuteranopic) that way people won't judge me for ugly paint schemes.

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I'm sorry, I don't really have anything constructive to add, but I just wanted to say how impressed I am with how good your english is, being as you are a non native speaker as well as a dyslexic.
   
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I am "bumping" this.

Roughly 100 people have seen this since the last post a week ago and no comments. Does this mean that people are disinterest in this issue, that they do not like it or that they like it. That they are for it? Come on people we need some feedback. I for once would think these two additions to the forums would be good.

I am a dyslectic, so bear with me.

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I think the status quo is alright. A warning in the sig is probably the best. We can add bells and whistles but lets face it:

If people are going to be grammar nazis and dill weeds to forum members for whom English is a second language as evidenced by their flags. Then they will still be grammar nazis and dill weeds if there is any other kind of marking system. Rude idiots gonna idiot.


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 Niiai wrote:
I am "bumping" this.

Roughly 100 people have seen this since the last post a week ago and no comments. Does this mean that people are disinterest in this issue, that they do not like it or that they like it. That they are for it? Come on people we need some feedback. I for once would think these two additions to the forums would be good.


How much more feedback do you really need?

Honestly, I think you're better off without the 100 people who didn't comment actually commenting. You'll end up with snide remarks, cat pictures, and OT crap.

I would assume that those 100 people were simply disinterested.

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So what hoops do I need to jump through to get this suggestion implemented?

I am a dyslectic, so bear with me.

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It comes down to a decision by Yakface and/or Lego Burner about whether they think it's a good use of time/programming resources, in comparison to other projects.

In the meantime, speaking as a moderator, I suggest that if anyone is rude or hostile to you over spelling/grammar, that you hit the yellow triangle on their post so a moderator can deal with it.

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I support this suggestion. Although Ive just recently joined DakkaDakka, Ive been active on other forums and such. Being dyslectic and a non native speaker makes posting that much more difficult. I double check everything I post, because I got tired of explaining why my English isnt that great. On some of the forums (not DakkaDakka) Ive posted on I was treated like some illiterate monkey for not spelling correctly even though my arguments/posts were sound. From what Ive seen/experienced DakkaDakka is quite a good community so hopefully I wont experience such things here.

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I honestly don't think this is a necessary implement. I saw Wargey's thread and the initial comments were on the atrocious quality of his homebrewed rules. It was only after 4-5 pages that people began to criticise his spelling after it became clear that he was making no effort to improve or even acknoledge his mistakes in both grammar and rules. Wargey was the first time I've seen dyslexia become a major issue on here, and it seems like a far smaller problem than the OP makes it out to be. Yes, it can be hard for them, but 99% of the members on here seem to understand, wherever they are native-English or not. In regards to Nilal's last comment, "jumping through hoops" isn't going to get you anywhere; in the long run it's entirely down to the Admins, and Wargey and yourself are the only people I've actually seen make a deal of this. While other people here are admittedly dyslexic, a little pop-up explaining it isn't going to do much, more likely to worsen their quality as they can now just use this as an excuse to not worry instead of trying to improve their spelling and grammar.
   
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 Niiai wrote:
I am "bumping" this.

Roughly 100 people have seen this since the last post a week ago and no comments. Does this mean that people are disinterest in this issue, that they do not like it or that they like it. That they are for it? Come on people we need some feedback. I for once would think these two additions to the forums would be good.


I've read through the new comments in this thread because I found the conversation interesting. However, I really don't have any suggestions to add.

I find your spelling and grammar to be excellent, and applaud your choice to share with all of us that you have dyslexia in your signature.

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It would seem that the dyslectics are supporting the suggestions. The rest seems neutral or consider it a poor priority.

If it was to get implemented I would think more dyslectics would join the forum. It would be a good public relations stunt.

I am a dyslectic, so bear with me.

Dyslectics in a text based environment? Dakka is aware of you and sympathises with any troubles you have: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/505863.page

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I support you, and am sorry for your dyslexia, i personally know someone affected by dyslexia and know how much of a burden it is. I do appreciate you putting a notice in your signature. I am afraid it can be the best you do, but if i can notice it and understand and turn the other cheek, then i am sure most people on dakkadakka can.

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