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BrianDavion wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
Tyel wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
yeah no sympathy for him, he signed a contract, he broke the contract, the contract was thus terminated.

If I was invited to something like that you can be DAMNED SURE I'd have been more careful. the real clear line here for me thats telling is "I was switching back and forth between my camera and my phone" the smart thing to do would be to ONLY use his camera specificly to avoid a problem like this.


"I deserved some kind of punishment but not you know, being made to leave the event".
I mean... what's the middle ground here? "You can stay, but I'm going to have to break your legs?"


I also love his whole "Look at all the things I chose to do FOR FREE for Corporation! They should have considered that!" entitlement.


especially as I doubt he did GW stuff to support GW, he proably did it because the "clicks" for a video about painting space marines are proably a good deal higher then for videos about painting... I dunno.. AGOF&I


Oh, definitely. His numbers will suffer way more than GW's if he goes pure non-GW.

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I enjoyed them, myself. I really like how ridiculous a lot of the YouTube personalities can be. I love Juan Hidalgo's videos, and I follow Emma on Twitter. I find them both delightful. I've never even seen Henry's face before that video, but I really like listening to his videos as I paint. I enjoy how he philosophizes about army painting.
   
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Cult of Paint Henry? He hosts a podcast on YT, mainly him & a guy called Andy and two others that are a bit quieter. It's good, I usually watch it and I don't watch much other hobby podcast type stuff.
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 Platuan4th wrote:
Oh, definitely. His numbers will suffer way more than GW's if he goes pure non-GW.


He will lose some money and GW will lose free advertising. Because that's all this is about, GW leveraging social media for largely free publicity.

He was sloppy and faced the consequences for it, but his channel is not very GW heavy, so I don't think it will matter that much in the end. I very much doubt that anyone who's regularly watching him will suddenly stop because he's not painting space marines. They're watching him for his personality, not GW product.
   
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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
They're watching him for his personality


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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
Oh, definitely. His numbers will suffer way more than GW's if he goes pure non-GW.


He will lose some money and GW will lose free advertising. Because that's all this is about, GW leveraging social media for largely free publicity.

He was sloppy and faced the consequences for it, but his channel is not very GW heavy, so I don't think it will matter that much in the end. I very much doubt that anyone who's regularly watching him will suddenly stop because he's not painting space marines. They're watching him for his personality, not GW product.



to a degree. but a lot of people find these guys by searching "painting warhammer" or "painting space marines"

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What other consequences are there besides ejection from the agreement, I wonder. If nothing beyond being ousted from their event/building, it might not be such a bad thing if the terms were particularly bothersome.

On topic, if I were going to buy anything gw this year, the new 30k box would be it. It’s roughly on par with buying two boxes of Betrayal at Calth at the price BaC was when it released.

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 privateer4hire wrote:
What other consequences are there besides ejection from the agreement, I wonder. If nothing beyond being ousted from their event/building, it might not be such a bad thing if the terms were particularly bothersome.

On topic, if I were going to buy anything gw this year, the new 30k box would be it. It’s roughly on par with buying two boxes of Betrayal at Calth at the price BaC was when it released.



In theory GW could sue for breach and contract but that seems unlikely. the big cost would likely be not getting invited to future events like this

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BrianDavion wrote:
 privateer4hire wrote:
What other consequences are there besides ejection from the agreement, I wonder. If nothing beyond being ousted from their event/building, it might not be such a bad thing if the terms were particularly bothersome.

On topic, if I were going to buy anything gw this year, the new 30k box would be it. It’s roughly on par with buying two boxes of Betrayal at Calth at the price BaC was when it released.



In theory GW could sue for breach and contract but that seems unlikely. the big cost would likely be not getting invited to future events like this


He mentioned termination of Creator Contract which could also mean early access / free stuff from GW?



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beast_gts wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
4 of 6 Sprues are marked with "Land Raider". The others have "Spartan" and "Vehicle assecories".


Wait, how do we know this? The kit is a dual build Spartan/Landraider kit??

The "Land Raider" & "Spartan" labels are visible in Tale of Painters photos:
Spoiler:




It might just be that it's called a "Land Raider Spartan" now, but it does kind of look like you could build a Land Raider Proteus out of it...

Huh, neat. Looks like we'll see a lot of mileage out of those molds which is good.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:

to a degree. but a lot of people find these guys by searching "painting warhammer" or "painting space marines"


I'm sure the YouTube algorithm will still connect him to people interested in miniature painting.

And frankly, I'd rather we have more independent creators than more people pressured to give glowing reviews of GW product.
   
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I'd ask if we could get back to discussing the actual releases but I guess Death Guard weren't interesting enough.

Well maybe Thousand Sons will carry the day better.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
Oh, definitely. His numbers will suffer way more than GW's if he goes pure non-GW.


He will lose some money and GW will lose free advertising. Because that's all this is about, GW leveraging social media for largely free publicity.

He was sloppy and faced the consequences for it, but his channel is not very GW heavy, so I don't think it will matter that much in the end. I very much doubt that anyone who's regularly watching him will suddenly stop because he's not painting space marines. They're watching him for his personality, not GW product.



to a degree. but a lot of people find these guys by searching "painting warhammer" or "painting space marines"


If you look through his video views, I don't think there's a strong correlation between popularity and GW vs non-GW miniatures, he has some popular GW vids, some mediocre GW vids, some popular non-GW vids, some mediocre non-GW vids. Many of the "popular GW vids" are focused on a specific technique and he just happened to use a GW model.

I think he could probably shift to 95% non-GW and 5% GW and not lose much.

I feel a bit sorry for him, he made a mistake and he acknowledges that, he's just unhappy with how GW handled it and that's going to leave a bad taste in his mouth going forward. People say "well he broke the rules and that's the consequences", which is true, but if those people were put in the same situation I'm sure they'd feel a bit used and discarded also.

It's good that GW are engaging the community via youtubers, but to be honest it doesn't seem like a tremendous deal for the youtubers. Flicking through some video backlogs of various youtubers it doesn't seem like they get a huge uptick from GW-affiliated content. I remember a video a while back where someone decided to end their association with GW because they didn't feel it was worth it on their end.

One funny thing I've often found is the people GW choose to use often aren't super pro-GW anyway, lol.

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He got a free trip to England, lol

Also, early access to GW product is probably good enough for most people. Including almost guaranteed copies of FOMO / Limited stuff.


Sorry I brought it up, I was just curious.

Back to HH!



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 TalonZahn wrote:
He got a free trip to England, lol

Also, early access to GW product is probably good enough for most people. Including almost guaranteed copies of FOMO / Limited stuff.


Sorry I brought it up, I was just curious.

Back to HH!
In this case the trip to the UK was a nice benefit, but it's still just cheap advertising for GW (I was thinking more in terms of the long term relationship, most of these YTers have been working with GW for a while). How many hours did each of them spend painting models, making videos, etc. promoting GW in order to get a "free" trip to England?

As fans we can look at "free trip to England and free early access to a couple of hundred dollars worth of models!" and think that's great. But Stahly pointed out they spent 50 hours painting the Primarch alone, mostly at night time... 50 hours overtime for me would pay for a ticket to the UK and enough left over for a few nights in a cheap hotel and buying the models off the shelf.

For some it might be the opportunity of a lifetime, for others it might be "meh", I've turned down international work trips when they'd result in me doing a crap load more work for no extra pay just so I could be overseas for a few days... at other times I've snapped up international work trips, it's all very situational.

Of course if you're doing what you love doing the trip might feel like a great opportunity, but if you get burned like he did then I can also imagine it feels like you put a heap of time and effort into something that is just a bad experience.

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Blanket termination of the partnership contract was a dumb knee-jerk reaction.

As always, GW misses the nuance, or the middle ground, and goes right for the pendulum swing.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Blanket termination of the partnership contract was a dumb knee-jerk reaction.
I think that's probably the best summary. Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

The better choice may have been to talk to him, ask him to immediately take down those items, say they value the relationship with him but take NDA's seriously and any further breeches will result in being cut off. I was going to say "and pursue legal action" but I don't know if GW have any damages that would justify a legal action.
   
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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

to a degree. but a lot of people find these guys by searching "painting warhammer" or "painting space marines"


I'm sure the YouTube algorithm will still connect him to people interested in miniature painting.

And frankly, I'd rather we have more independent creators than more people pressured to give glowing reviews of GW product.


Well what's the view count atm for gw and non-gw videos?

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Blanket termination of the partnership contract was a dumb knee-jerk reaction.
I think that's probably the best summary. Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

The better choice may have been to talk to him, ask him to immediately take down those items, say they value the relationship with him but take NDA's seriously and any further breeches will result in being cut off. I was going to say "and pursue legal action" but I don't know if GW have any damages that would justify a legal action.


We've only heard one side of it, from someone incentivized to portray themselves as the victim. Bound to be more to it. And as someone said, "accidentally posting photos to social media" lacks verisimilitude.
   
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Billicus wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Blanket termination of the partnership contract was a dumb knee-jerk reaction.
I think that's probably the best summary. Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

The better choice may have been to talk to him, ask him to immediately take down those items, say they value the relationship with him but take NDA's seriously and any further breeches will result in being cut off. I was going to say "and pursue legal action" but I don't know if GW have any damages that would justify a legal action.


We've only heard one side of it, from someone incentivized to portray themselves as the victim. Bound to be more to it. And as someone said, "accidentally posting photos to social media" lacks verisimilitude.


Not really, when your job is basically "posting photos to social media". I mean, it must be as automatic as breezing, for that kind of people.

I kinda feel like they both fethed up, honestly. The guy fethed up and broke their NDA, GW fethed up going nuclear (damage was already done, it was an accident and it's a little bit of publicity you're going to lose) and IMHO afterwards is still fething up, because they haven't removed the guy from their HH promotional "loyal or traitor" video after they discontinued the contract.

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Billicus wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Blanket termination of the partnership contract was a dumb knee-jerk reaction.
I think that's probably the best summary. Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

The better choice may have been to talk to him, ask him to immediately take down those items, say they value the relationship with him but take NDA's seriously and any further breeches will result in being cut off. I was going to say "and pursue legal action" but I don't know if GW have any damages that would justify a legal action.


We've only heard one side of it, from someone incentivized to portray themselves as the victim. Bound to be more to it.
If it turns out he was being a dick about it and making a scene and being remorseless about it, sure, maybe. I'd be surprised if that was the case.

And as someone said, "accidentally posting photos to social media" lacks verisimilitude.


Meh, accidents happen, maybe it was an accident in mixing up the NDA (told he was allowed to post something but it wasn't that thing), maybe it was a posting error, maybe he grouped the photos wrong. I done similar things in the past. I haven't seen the post so I dunno, but the old adage is to avoid attributing malice to that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Also Horus Heresy Thursday I hope.


Should we even expect anything interesting today instead of just getting the Sons of Horus equivalent of the Imperial Fists accessories. what with Sons of Horus being the spotlight traitor legion of the big box?

Not that I mind being pleasantly surprised, but it seems like a lot of plastic that's already announced and shown. Not sure if they have anything noteworthy left for this release wave.

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GW has to go nuclear tho. Since this is (publically) the first time someone has "been done fethed up", they need to be exemplified so that others are under the impression that they should take slightly more care about their own business(if they make $ from their "personality", it's a business) when they sign a legal document.
gak isn't hidden in an NDA. If Miniac wasn't thinking about it, GW was taking a risk having them there. That assumption of risk was proven correct by Miniacs disregard for the NDA. Accidental or not, they obviously felt they wouldn't break it and when they broke it, try to come off like they didn't agree to the terms beforehand.

This is just prudent business practices. Yes some will vilify GW(mostly rightly so) but in this instance, less so.
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
GW has to go nuclear tho. Since this is (publically) the first time someone has "been done fethed up", they need to be exemplified so that others are under the impression that they should take slightly more care about their own business(if they make $ from their "personality", it's a business) when they sign a legal document.
gak isn't hidden in an NDA. If Miniac wasn't thinking about it, GW was taking a risk having them there. That assumption of risk was proven correct by Miniacs disregard for the NDA. Accidental or not, they obviously felt they wouldn't break it and when they broke it, try to come off like they didn't agree to the terms beforehand.

This is just prudent business practices. Yes some will vilify GW(mostly rightly so) but in this instance, less so.


Yep, and as a big organization they can't "just make one exception" as some people here seem to want, because that'll open the floodgates and every content creator will want an exception from this or that policy at GW's events.
   
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I don't think anyone is asking for them to "make an exception". There should be consequences, but the complete binary "1 mistake = YOU'RE OUT!" strikes me as overly harsh.

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Odd choices for "influencers". Nothing from KingFluff, Garagehammer Tactics, Sector Wargaming and Greetings from the Warp to name a few. They've been keeping the Heresy flame alive either through regular events or battle reports. Henry Steele was the only one on there that I'd count. His Legion painting vids are miles better quality than GWs offerings and he's been a fan for a while.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think anyone is asking for them to "make an exception". There should be consequences, but the complete binary "1 mistake = YOU'RE OUT!" strikes me as overly harsh.


I have a feeling with the amount of 30k leaks over the last few months, a few GW bosses had run out of patience. He was just in the firing line.

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 ScarletRose wrote:
Racerguy180 wrote:
GW has to go nuclear tho. Since this is (publically) the first time someone has "been done fethed up", they need to be exemplified so that others are under the impression that they should take slightly more care about their own business(if they make $ from their "personality", it's a business) when they sign a legal document.
gak isn't hidden in an NDA. If Miniac wasn't thinking about it, GW was taking a risk having them there. That assumption of risk was proven correct by Miniacs disregard for the NDA. Accidental or not, they obviously felt they wouldn't break it and when they broke it, try to come off like they didn't agree to the terms beforehand.

This is just prudent business practices. Yes some will vilify GW(mostly rightly so) but in this instance, less so.


Yep, and as a big organization they can't "just make one exception" as some people here seem to want, because that'll open the floodgates and every content creator will want an exception from this or that policy at GW's events.


That's a dumb way to make an example because Miniac is one of the most popular hobby youtubers and can create more negative publicity than any amount of damage that a leak or even a few leaks might cause.

They could have just had a chat / group discussion / whatever with everyone saying there had been a leak, that leak was identified and removed, GW takes its NDAs seriously and any further breaches by anyone will result in being removed from the event and potentially their entire contract terminated.

It's not about making an exception for Miniac, it's about handling it in a way that does the least amount of damage. Damage to GW, damage to content creators, damage to public perception.
   
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I’m thinking Deimos Predator myself.

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Preadator or Assault Squad would be nice

or close combat weapons.

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