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zedmeister wrote: Odd choices for "influencers". Nothing from KingFluff, Garagehammer Tactics, Sector Wargaming and Greetings from the Warp to name a few. They've been keeping the Heresy flame alive either through regular events or battle reports. Henry Steele was the only one on there that I'd count. His Legion painting vids are miles better quality than GWs offerings and he's been a fan for a while.
So it's like Total War Warhammer III in China, where CA gave the game to a bunch of popular streamers rather than actual members of the Chinese TW community?
zedmeister wrote: I have a feeling with the amount of 30k leaks over the last few months, a few GW bosses had run out of patience. He was just in the firing line.
I had not considered that. That could very well be the reason, or part of the reason.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think anyone is asking for them to "make an exception". There should be consequences, but the complete binary "1 mistake = YOU'RE OUT!" strikes me as overly harsh.
Without knowing the details of the NDA, it is tricky to make a call on this. For all we know, it was set up as a one strike policy, which Miniac had agreed to when he signed it.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Predator/land raider would seem logical, since we know they're coming. And an assault squad/upgrade box would also make sense since we have the heavy/special weapons
My hope though is that they catch us with our pants down by showing off something not expected like plastic jetbikes or breachers.
They could have just had a chat / group discussion / whatever with everyone saying there had been a leak, that leak was identified and removed, GW takes its NDAs seriously and any further breaches by anyone will result in being removed from the event and potentially their entire contract terminated.
It's not about making an exception for Miniac, it's about handling it in a way that does the least amount of damage. Damage to GW, damage to content creators, damage to public perception.
But that sends the message that at future such events, you can get away with it. That's the issue here. You can't have a two-strike system or everyone will be looking for the perfect opportunity to "spend" their strike. Problem of your community being a bunch of gamers!
The normal redress would probably be to fine him. £1000 say. You still stay part of the programme, but there's a legit consequence for the mistake. It's not GW needs the money, but they need to have consequences in place. Flights, hotel, catering probably cost that anyway.
Can you imagine the uproar if they did that? GW takes £1000 from poor independent YouTuber for an honest mistake? It'd be far worse than the reaction to just dropping him.
deano2099 wrote: But that sends the message that at future such events, you can get away with it.
Does it though?
Again, we're not calling for him to have nothing happen, but there has to be a solution with a bit more balance. Something that is between "Nothing" and "BANISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!".
Snrub wrote: Was the plastic levi just hopeful speculation or was that rumour half way substantiated?
Speculation as it was put on Last Chance to Buy along with a bunch of other heresy models (Deimos Rhino, Spartan, Sicaran, generic contemptor) all of which are coming back as plastic. Leviathan is the only one not to have re-appeared as yet...
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Snrub wrote: Was the plastic levi just hopeful speculation or was that rumour half way substantiated?
It's based on the observation that the Leviathan photographed for the new rulebook has been painted at the same time as the new plastics (determined by its basing matching the new plastics and not other "old" models).
It's far from a certainty, but it's a good theory.
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They could have just had a chat / group discussion / whatever with everyone saying there had been a leak, that leak was identified and removed, GW takes its NDAs seriously and any further breaches by anyone will result in being removed from the event and potentially their entire contract terminated.
It's not about making an exception for Miniac, it's about handling it in a way that does the least amount of damage. Damage to GW, damage to content creators, damage to public perception.
But that sends the message that at future such events, you can get away with it. That's the issue here. You can't have a two-strike system or everyone will be looking for the perfect opportunity to "spend" their strike. Problem of your community being a bunch of gamers!
The normal redress would probably be to fine him. £1000 say. You still stay part of the programme, but there's a legit consequence for the mistake. It's not GW needs the money, but they need to have consequences in place. Flights, hotel, catering probably cost that anyway.
Can you imagine the uproar if they did that? GW takes £1000 from poor independent YouTuber for an honest mistake? It'd be far worse than the reaction to just dropping him.
Agreed, in my opinion GW had no option but to cut ties with the guy.
Can't really understand the sympathy being shown to the dude in all honesty. He signed a NDA and he broke the agreement.
I'm sure that the group of "influencers" who were invited to the event would have been reminded how important it was to GW for people not to leak anything until the official announcement, the excuse that he posted them to social media "accidentally" is cringeworthy.
I'd like to know what people think that GW should have done instead of cutting ties with him. There had to be a strong consequence to gaking all over the NDA, or else it would have been open season.
deano2099 wrote: But that sends the message that at future such events, you can get away with it.
Does it though?
Again, we're not calling for him to have nothing happen, but there has to be a solution with a bit more balance. Something that is between "Nothing" and "BANISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!".
What should they have done?
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zedmeister wrote:Speculation as it was put on Last Chance to Buy along with a bunch of other heresy models (Deimos Rhino, Spartan, Sicaran, generic contemptor) all of which are coming back as plastic. Leviathan is the only one not to have re-appeared as yet...
One could well be forgiven for coming to the conclusion that a plastic Levi is in the works based off that line of reasoning.
lord_blackfang wrote:It's based on the observation that the Leviathan photographed for the new rulebook has been painted at the same time as the new plastics (determined by its basing matching the new plastics and not other "old" models).
Is that picture floating around by chance? I haven't seen much of anything leaked for the new rulebook. Supposedly there's most of it been seen already.
It's far from a certainty, but it's a good theory.
It's as solid a theory as anything else I guess. Thinking about it, I can't say i've ever known GW to rebase an old model to match a current/updated line.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think anyone is asking for them to "make an exception". There should be consequences, but the complete binary "1 mistake = YOU'RE OUT!" strikes me as overly harsh.
Arguably it was strike 2 when he shared the HH box while it was under NDA with someone not under NDA to have that person paint the models for the event instead.
deano2099 wrote: But that sends the message that at future such events, you can get away with it.
I disagree. You're thinking about this from the perspective of a gamer instead of a business engaging with other businesses.
You can't have a two-strike system or everyone will be looking for the perfect opportunity to "spend" their strike. Problem of your community being a bunch of gamers!
I didn't suggest a two strike system, what I was suggested was to let EVERYONE know (i.e. all the other content creators) that there's been a leak and it warn them all if there's any further breaches the consequences will be X regardless of who does it. You don't just give everyone a free "strike".
It's not a game with a rulebook being played by a bunch of gamers, they are a company with a contract and it's a business engagement.
If they wanted to go beyond "warning" into "punishment" there are levels of reprimand that are more appropriate. Maybe suspend them from future releases for X amount of time, maybe they don't get to go to certain parts of the event, maybe they can't bring their phone into the event, maybe they can't use footage taken in Warhammer World like the other creators were able to do.
But it largely comes down to how Miniac responds to them, you don't START by bringing out the noose, you take them aside and start a polite chat letting them know what they did wrong and that they immediately have to take down those posts and then you gauge the response. If Miniac was being a dick about it then terminating the agreement was probably the right move, if he was apologetic and remorseful then you try and salvage the relationship instead of risking the additional hit of having a channel with over 300k subscribers being left with a bad taste in their mouth.
Your £1000 fine idea I think is a terrible because they are a private company which makes "fining" someone sketchy and difficult to enforce, even if it's written into the NDA that there would be a fine I think it'd be sketchy and would likely have to go through some level of litigation and settlement. Maybe if they were paying Miniac (maybe they are?) then there would be an avenue? I dunno, not a lawyer.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think anyone is asking for them to "make an exception". There should be consequences, but the complete binary "1 mistake = YOU'RE OUT!" strikes me as overly harsh.
Arguably it was strike 2 when he shared the HH box while it was under NDA with someone not under NDA to have that person paint the models for the event instead.
That isn't "arguable" it's "speculation". Yes, it would have been a breach if he shared it in a way that was not outlined in the NDA, but we have no evidence one way or the other.
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Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Can't really understand the sympathy being shown to the dude in all honesty. He signed a NDA and he broke the agreement.
If the same thing happened to you do you think you'd be left with a bad taste in your mouth too?
...the excuse that he posted them to social media "accidentally" is cringeworthy.
On the flip side, what did he have to gain by posting some pics of models a few days early then immediately deleting the posts? He's not going to gain any additional followers, he's not selling it for money, I would HOPE that he's not so immature to think that he was doing it for street cred or something silly like that (if he is then GW is probably right for terminating it).
He was likely just being careless and it likely caused GW no damages whatsoever.
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Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Can't really understand the sympathy being shown to the dude in all honesty. He signed a NDA and he broke the agreement.
If the same thing happened to you do you think you'd be left with a bad taste in your mouth too?
If I broke an agreement in the manner reported I would like to think that I would take responsibilty for it, I certainly wouldn't be looking for sympathy.
...the excuse that he posted them to social media "accidentally" is cringeworthy.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: On the flip side, what did he have to gain by posting some pics of models a few days early then immediately deleting the posts? He's not going to gain any additional followers, he's not selling it for money, I would HOPE that he's not so immature to think that he was doing it for street cred or something silly like that (if he is then GW is probably right for terminating it).
He was likely just being careless and it likely caused GW no damages whatsoever.
I guess he was trying to gain more popularity/notoriety? I don't know how their world works, I'm not going to pretend to know how these people think, they are alien to me
Ultimately I guess it comes down to whether or not you believe that his actions were accidental or not, GW certainly didn't.
They have shown that they won't tolerate leaks, and that a single influencer is just not that important to their business in the overall scheme of things
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£180 is great!
Thinking of getting two if I can afford it
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zedmeister wrote: Odd choices for "influencers". Nothing from KingFluff, Garagehammer Tactics, Sector Wargaming and Greetings from the Warp to name a few. They've been keeping the Heresy flame alive either through regular events or battle reports. Henry Steele was the only one on there that I'd count. His Legion painting vids are miles better quality than GWs offerings and he's been a fan for a while.
I think GW thought here would be to bring in new fans by bringing in influencers not known for their current love of all things HH or even GW. Try to broaden that reach so to speak.
Re: Assault Squads, I still think it's going to just be an upgrade box of some type like with the Special / Heavy weapons boxes. GW has discovered a way to get people to buy more boxes per squad while getting customer buy in on the way they are doing it.
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tneva82 wrote: Well what's the view count atm for gw and non-gw videos?
A cursory glance shows that for his 16 highest viewed videos, 7 explicitly name GW brands/products. He seems to do a lot of beginner aimed videos about general hobby topics, like painting theory or 3D printing.
Whatever is showcased today is something that would be in the first wave of so of releases, I would expect. Did they already do articles for the Kratos, Sicaran, and Rhino? Whatever's left out of those is my guess.
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Yeah, I'm not shy about complaining about GW prices, but if you can think of the price as what you would have paid for the equivalent Marine models twenty years ago and get the Terminators for free, in the context of GW's crazy prices of today that box is good value.
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Billicus wrote: Coming from paying forge world prices I'm thrilled about it. Bargain
Yeah, I feel that. Thanks to some back pay from a pay increase at work I had some extra cash ready so I ordered some stuff for Night Lords. 23 models (10 of the termis, 10 Raptors, 1 each of the Praetors and Curze) (and no Sevatar because he's still out of stock)) and two sets of chainglaives for when the box drops and it ran me over 600USD so any discount is appreciated.
Seriously though, when they announced it would be less than $300 (so likely $299) and then Ash Wastes went up for $299, I was entirely put off purchasing Ash Wastes. Its not near the same level of content for the same price.
The HH box shows they can be reasonably expensive rather than ridiculously expensive.
