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Got an interesting question for the dakkadakka community. If you are on a skyshield landing pad with doom of malan'tai and he is using his spirit leech against your units would you be able to take the 4++ from the pad?
The reason I ask is because they allow you to take cover saves from it if you were in area terrain I would assume the same idea would work with the landing pad?

Shielded: Units on top of a shielded Skyshield Landing Padhave a
4+ invulnerable saveagainst enemy Shooting attacks.

So yes, you get your save. Invul is very different than cover.

Spirit leech is not a shooting attack. Skyshield specifies the invul save from enemy shooting attacks. Doesn't give a general invul save. I would say no. The faq states cover saves can be taken against spirit leech. Again tough this is an invul not a cover save....

Ahh, that is a good point. Interesting.

You will most likely be eligible for a cover save from the skyshield if it is Furled. Unless the Doom is actually on the pad.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Unless the Doom is actually on the pad.

Original Post wrote:If you are on a skyshield landing pad with doom of malan'tai

I read too fast.

S'okay, I forgot that his power was super special and not a shooting power.

 pretre wrote:
S'okay, I forgot that his power was super special and not a shooting power.

Except if its not a shooting attack, you dont actually have any rules allowing you to resolve the hits or wounds.

Like I said, super special. I'll let it go. I am certainly not well versed on the Doom. I figured it was just an easy answer with the skyshield quote.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
S'okay, I forgot that his power was super special and not a shooting power.

Except if its not a shooting attack, you dont actually have any rules allowing you to resolve the hits or wounds.

Yeah, lets nerf those stupid OP nids.

My reasoning basically is any non melee attack you would get a 4++ invul save from even if they were on the pad with you so it's basically treated like an "area terrain" effect so the invul save would be allowed.

TaddleMunkey wrote:
My reasoning basically is any non melee attack you would get a 4++ invul save from even if they were on the pad with you so it's basically treated like an "area terrain" effect so the invul save would be allowed.

There's a difference between 'non-melee' (your words) and 'enemy shooting attack' (the rule).

No, the Invuln is only allowed against shooting attacks.

Cover saves don't have the same requirement. There isn't a list of what you can take cover against, there is a list of what you cannot take it against. Melee attacks for one, and any attack that specifically ignores cover.

The problem with that is the skyshield specifies shooting attacks. There are plenty of attacks that are not classified as shooting or assault that would go through just because they are not shooting or assault. Dooms spirit leech. Mawlocs terror from the deep. Even Maledictions like Objuration Mechanicum hits against vehicles. Not shooting attacks. Yes there are people that are gonna try and say they dont work because you cant allocate or vehicles cant use invul. blah blah blah. Not here to argue that, dont really care. They however are not shooting attacks so skyshield wouldn't apply.

I agree to that but you get the 4++ from inside the terrain even if they guy is a foot in front of you. I would assume the force field would interfere with this ability aswell, just like area terrain interferes with it even if you were a foot away.

Also they had to faq that you can get cover saves from Spirit Leech, thats the only reason why it's allowed but I feel the terrain is acting in the same way is all. I realize it's an invul but it's an invul you get while on that piece of terrain.

If it was just a standard invul then yeah there would be no problem, but its a special circumstance invul. Shooting activates it. No shooting, no invul. They may be similar yes but its a classification of the attack type that determines save or no sve. It wold be like me saying my swarmlord gets an invul save from an orks deffroller because its hitting me.

Backlash wrote:
If it was just a standard invul then yeah there would be no problem, but its a special circumstance invul. Shooting activates it. No shooting, no invul. They may be similar yes but its a classification of the attack type that determines save or no sve. It wold be like me saying my swarmlord gets an invul save from an orks deffroller because its hitting me.

As Nos said:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Except if its not a shooting attack, you dont actually have any rules allowing you to resolve the hits or wounds.

So it has to be a shooting attack or you can not resolve the hits or wounds from Spirit Leech.

I'm going to have to agree with Nosferatu and play it dirty then and just say he can't allocate so he can't use that attack. Thanks guys!

TaddleMunkey wrote:
I'm going to have to agree with Nosferatu and play it dirty then and just say he can't allocate so he can't use that attack. Thanks guys!

That isnt a hugely sensible way to go, I tend to treat it as exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I tend to treat it as exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts.

Treating it exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts is how my group does it as well. It causes the least amount of issues doing it tha way.

 DeathReaper wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I tend to treat it as exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts.

Treating it exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts is how my group does it as well. It causes the least amount of issues doing it tha way.

Yeah I would agree to the same thing but sadly the person who uses him in my group would never go for it, he is a rules stickler. Also now hes talking about being able to use Mawloc's ability to move the skyshield landing pad because it's a model by popping up in the center of it? Thoughts?

TaddleMunkey wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I tend to treat it as exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts.

Treating it exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts is how my group does it as well. It causes the least amount of issues doing it tha way.

Yeah I would agree to the same thing but sadly the person who uses him in my group would never go for it, he is a rules stickler. Also now hes talking about being able to use Mawloc's ability to move the skyshield landing pad because it's a model by popping up in the center of it? Thoughts?

Ask him to not be a tool?
It seems that he likes to break the game with narrow rules reading.

Ohh if only the 40k universe were filled with people that just wanted to have fun while playing. lol

TaddleMunkey wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I tend to treat it as exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts.

Treating it exactly like a shooting attack, for all parts is how my group does it as well. It causes the least amount of issues doing it tha way.

Yeah I would agree to the same thing but sadly the person who uses him in my group would never go for it, he is a rules stickler. Also now hes talking about being able to use Mawloc's ability to move the skyshield landing pad because it's a model by popping up in the center of it? Thoughts?

The Skushield is not a model, as "each model has its own characteristics profile." P. 2

The skyshield does not have a profile so it is not a model (It is terrain).

A model has both a characteristics profile and a unit type. A skyshield has neither; it's not a model. It's terrain.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
S'okay, I forgot that his power was super special and not a shooting power.

Except if its not a shooting attack, you dont actually have any rules allowing you to resolve the hits or wounds.

I now have a friend that claims that because you cause the wounds in the shooting phase you can then allocate the wounds normally because you caused x wounds regardless on if it was a shooting attack or not. What say you?

TaddleMunkey wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
S'okay, I forgot that his power was super special and not a shooting power.

Except if its not a shooting attack, you dont actually have any rules allowing you to resolve the hits or wounds.

I now have a friend that claims that because you cause the wounds in the shooting phase you can then allocate the wounds normally because you caused x wounds regardless on if it was a shooting attack or not. What say you?

The rules from page 12 on describe how to handle shooting attacks - we know that because of what's on page 12.
Find the resolution for non-shooting attacks.

Well you would resolve the attacks based on what the Spirit Leech rule says. Take the leadership test and for every wound you are over you take a wound. Those wounds would then go to the wound pool no?

Well the wound pool is described in the shooting section, so the only allowance to move wounds to the wound pool is for shooting (And CC attacks, but Leech is not a CC attack).