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Well it's finally official now but space marines are getting the storm raven!

I'm totally adding one with my vulcan list and some little birds (storm talons) as escorts. I love those things lol.

(see GW main page)

Wonder if GK will get the storm talon? I'd love to try one of those with psybolts and assault cannon+heavy bolters on the cheap.

Does not look like the talon is being opened up like the raven is, its a shame becasue I would quite like to take one in gk's to, it would fill a useful rule, I guess thats what allies are for

And now they cost 8 bucks more than a landraider...

Sigh

Yah, everyone gets something that is supposed to be unique to BA and GK while BA and GK get diddly in return.

So exciting.

I'm trying to think what I'm gonna call my missiles for my salamanders army. Fire strike missiles seem too tame and normal. I'm thinking firedrake melta missiles or flameforged death strikes or firehammer lizard missiles!

But in all seriousness I'm so pumped to be able to get a storm raven for my vanilla marines and not have to ally them in. As anti flyer as I have been this whole time since 6th Ed. Dropped I can already feel it changing! Time to start learning how to use them and not just fight against them.

I cant wait to put some sternguard in it.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm trying to think what I'm gonna call my missiles for my salamanders army. Fire strike missiles seem too tame and normal. I'm thinking firedrake melta missiles or flameforged death strikes or firehammer lizard missiles!

But in all seriousness I'm so pumped to be able to get a storm raven for my vanilla marines and not have to ally them in. As anti flyer as I have been this whole time since 6th Ed. Dropped I can already feel it changing! Time to start learning how to use them and not just fight against them.

Magma strike missiles.

That's actually not half bad!

Edit:I'm totally modelling mine as lizard warheads as well. Gotta keep that oot theme.

It's going to be nice to play the only power armor army in the entire game that can't get flyers without allies.

I wish I knew point costs and upgrades, my thoughts:
5 Sword Brethren Assault Termies, with Furious charge
1 Master of Sanctity, artificer armor, PF and LC
EC, AACNMTO
1 Chaplain Dreadnought with either 2 DCCWs or a flamestorm cannon...

It's probably a bazillion points and will get shot down as it enters..., but if it makes it I think tears of joy will pour down my face!

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
And now they cost 8 bucks more than a landraider...

Sigh

What? they have been the same price for a long time.. Like at least 6 months, probably longer

Anyway my Carcharodons will be getting a couple, if only to paint up and sit on the display shelf.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm trying to think what I'm gonna call my missiles for my salamanders army. Fire strike missiles seem too tame and normal. I'm thinking firedrake melta missiles or flameforged death strikes or firehammer lizard missiles!

But in all seriousness I'm so pumped to be able to get a storm raven for my vanilla marines and not have to ally them in. As anti flyer as I have been this whole time since 6th Ed. Dropped I can already feel it changing! Time to start learning how to use them and not just fight against them.

Does the name Flamestrike already exist for something?

Too bad they aren't available to Dark Angels. The Dark Talon is pretty meh.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
It's going to be nice to play the only power armor army in the entire game that can't get flyers without allies.

Not until the Sisters get a flying cathedral.

whoadirty wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm trying to think what I'm gonna call my missiles for my salamanders army. Fire strike missiles seem too tame and normal. I'm thinking firedrake melta missiles or flameforged death strikes or firehammer lizard missiles!

But in all seriousness I'm so pumped to be able to get a storm raven for my vanilla marines and not have to ally them in. As anti flyer as I have been this whole time since 6th Ed. Dropped I can already feel it changing! Time to start learning how to use them and not just fight against them.

Does the name Flamestrike already exist for something?

I don't think so. I know their is a flame storm.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:It's going to be nice to play the only power armor army in the entire game that can't get flyers without allies.

Yeah, "storm ravens for all!" indeed. Two chapters still seem to lack them. Not very "all" is it? Not to mention SW still not having anything to deal with flyers, their own or Flakk is perplexing. I get them being more CC focused but if I've to expect flyers in every competitive game I... Oh right, ally with IG. Forgot.

whoadirty wrote:
Does the name Flamestrike already exist for something?

A spell in Ultima Online?

KaryudoDS wrote:

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:It's going to be nice to play the only power armor army in the entire game that can't get flyers without allies.

Yeah, "storm ravens for all!" indeed. Two chapters still seem to lack them. Not very "all" is it? Not to mention SW still not having anything to deal with flyers, their own or Flakk is perplexing. I get them being more CC focused but if I've to expect flyers in every competitive game I... Oh right, ally with IG. Forgot.

whoadirty wrote:
Does the name Flamestrike already exist for something?

A spell in Ultima Online?

Eh, you're not missing anything. The big flyers these days laugh at stormravens. Vendettas blow them away, and Heldrakes shrug off their shots.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Yah, everyone gets something that is supposed to be unique to BA and GK while BA and GK get diddly in return.

So exciting.

I know your pain man, dont know why all chapters dont get talons if the vanillas get them... maybe not GK coz they're rather specialised and dont have many things other marine dexs have.
But hey, i guess we have to roll with it

The real question.

"Did they change the point values of the flyers?"

 sudojoe wrote:
Well it's finally official now but space marines are getting the storm raven!

I'm totally adding one with my vulcan list and some little birds (storm talons) as escorts. I love those things lol.

(see GW main page)

Wonder if GK will get the storm talon? I'd love to try one of those with psybolts and assault cannon+heavy bolters on the cheap.

Well, you don't know what slot the storm raven will be in. Its its in the FA section then you wont be able to bring 6 flyers.


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 Happygrunt wrote:
Yah, everyone gets something that is supposed to be unique to BA and GK while BA and GK get diddly in return.

So exciting.

They might be the ability to take the storm talon.


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 TedNugent wrote:
Too bad they aren't available to Dark Angels. The Dark Talon is pretty meh.

Yea, DA got the shaft on flyers.

They just sit there looking out the window at the helldrake and letting out one big sigh...

I also note that the stormtalon just picked up Hover as well. Will this make much diference, considering they already had hover strike?

Do you have a copy of the book? If so, did they change the cost of any of the flyers?

Seriously...I don't play in tournies. I just enjoy playing. GW can perform an anotomically impossible act while I just proxy stuff.

ender502

 labmouse42 wrote:
Do you have a copy of the book? If so, did they change the cost of any of the flyers?

I don't have the book but the main rulebook FAQ has been updated to change the unit type to flyer, hover.


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I would have thought that if the points costs were being modified it would be included in the faqs as there are a bunch of other rules changes added, like valkyries losing scout and most of the other flyers losing deep strike as these are no longer legal deployments

Yea, I saw that, thanks for pointing out the new FAQs

I'm suprised that the talon did not get passed back to the GK/BA codex's.
It gives a solid boost to C:SM and BTs. C:SM is actually becoming more and more competitive now.
I can really see someone brining a C:SM list with 6 flyers (assuming the stormravens are in HS) That could be a real challange to deal with.

@Labmouse - I think the raven going to C:SM puts the codex into the upper middle tier possibly lower top tier. I thought they were super competitive in 6th before this addition and can't wait to see what it actually does for the codex. The only thing I think could improve the codex more and really put it up there is if our Libby's got access to divination psychic powers.

I seen on the gw site its listed in the hs section for vanilla marines, so 6 flyers it is......

I can see people bringing this..

3 stormtalons w/TL ACs and Skyhammer MLs
3 stormravens w/TL MM, TL AC, Hurricane bolters

This will set your army back 1125 points. It gives you strong air superiority, with the following firepower
24 STR 6 AP 4 rending AC shots
3 STR 8 AP 1 melta shots
9 STR 7 AP 4 shots
36 bolter shots
every round.....
Oh, and 12 STR 8 AP 1 missiles
And you can transport 3 dreads and 3 squads.

I see this being a hard counter to hell drake and daemon lists

I see that being a hard counter to almost any list lol. Add an ADL with comms relay and you'll be a pretty scary army.

Except if they manage to table you turn 1