Necron rumor & pics summary in 1st post (now with 2nd wave pics!)

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**Kurgash**

ShadarLogoth wrote:Therion:

The mental proficiency deficient like yourself posting ridiculous unsubstantiated nonsense like this are why many people are sacred away from playing the game.

People said silly crap like that when the DE book was coming and then Dash proceeded to become one of the top generals in the world with that same book.

I love how some moron whose never played a single game with the codex thinks they know more then the team of play testers who have been working on the thing for years.

I actually just created a handle on a site that I've been trolling for awhile now just to point out the silliness in your though processes. You have awakened me from my tomb world and I'm displeased yet amused.

So your amazingly awesome pwnzer gwnzer GK's and live and dia at 24" but the poor Necrons are going to get Beech Pwned because they have no CC abilities? Yeah that silly little Lord with his retinue of power weapon wielding 4+ reflection shield bearing guys, no worries. And that giant shard of a God with 7 strength and toughness...easy sauce.

You've won a few games with cookie cuter lists you copied off the Internet created by people much smarter then you? Grats buddy, are they still making medals for such accomplishments?

**chipstar1**

Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I don't think it will be that bad with the range. In regards to taking out things like Long Fangs/Devastors or other small heavy weapon squads you can easily do that with Wraiths or the new Destroyers.. Same goes for using the Destroyers to pop transports with the Heavy Cannons, or even using the normal ones to glance the crap out of any other vechicle. If someone does manage to get close enough you can use Wraiths/Lychguard/Praetorians for a count assault unit or put them in the way. When it comes to Eldar, they may be faster, but they have lower strength. Wyches would hit a necron unit on a 4+ and need to roll a 5+ to wound, they may have 20+ attacks.

For example. 10 Wyches(going with no upgrades right now) on the charge would be 30 attacks.

Against 10 Immortals they would get 15 hits and 5 wounds on average and end up killing 1.667 models before Reanimation rolls. With a Lord with rez orb they would not even manage to kill 1 Immortal.
The 10 Immortals would then hit back at WS4 S4 and would hit 5 out of 10 times, with 3.3 wounds caused and the Wyches lose 1.667 models. Without a chance to get back up. Obviously this could go different ways depending on Wych loadout and drug rolls. With a lesser lord in there chances are the Wyches might actually be the ones to lose the combat, especially with wound allocating to a Lord with a 2+/3++/4+++.

I think the biggest unit to worry about in melee from Dark Eldar are Incubi seeing as they have S4 Power weapons and a higher WS than Wyches/Bloodbrides, but beyond that I think Necrons would be fine in resisting the CC department.

Marines would be a different story, especially with Grey Knights though and I could definitly see Necrons having far more trouble against them than any other CC based army. And that is mostly due to them all having power weapons and +S psychic powers which Necrons do not have much defense against enless you are Spyder Spamming.

You will have trouble taking out LF/Dev's with Destroyers, because they will be in cover. They will still get a 4++ save. Furthermore, getting within 24" of the almost-always rear line of a space marine army means every other thing in his list is rapid-firing at you. GG destroyers.

How are your lychguard/praetorians keeping up with jump infantry? They'll be left scambling behind while your destroyers jump up to get within effective range.

People continue to value wyches as an elite CC unit. As everyones favorite blogger Dash says, they are ***not*** an elite cc unit. They are a tarpit unit. They have no power weapons, and need 5's to wound almost anything.

Against anything in power armor, you're toast. Stats are either equal or worse, and that makes for a losing battle. You'll strike second, you'll be missing a hidden PF, you'll have a worse save. How do you win a CC against any marine army with immortals? Oh, and they pistol drilled you before assaulting. How are your assault 2 guns? Oh, they're rapid fire now. Whoops.

**Sigvatr**

About the "poor CC" argument: keep in mind that we can also assign lords to our normal squads thus potentially improving their CC power. A Warscythe lord with a Regenerator in an Immortal unit certainly is better than before when we just had the normal unit.

And about people discussing the competitive value...first of all, there weren't any games with the new codex yet, give it some time. Secondly, what were you guys expecting? Necrons are xenos, they aren't SM. Don't expect too much. If I was hoping for a ridiculously overpowered and cheesy codex, I'd have sold my Necrons and started playing Grey Knights.

**CthuluIsSpy**

chipstar1 wrote:
Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I don't think it will be that bad with the range. In regards to taking out things like Long Fangs/Devastors or other small heavy weapon squads you can easily do that with Wraiths or the new Destroyers.. Same goes for using the Destroyers to pop transports with the Heavy Cannons, or even using the normal ones to glance the crap out of any other vechicle. If someone does manage to get close enough you can use Wraiths/Lychguard/Praetorians for a count assault unit or put them in the way. When it comes to Eldar, they may be faster, but they have lower strength. Wyches would hit a necron unit on a 4+ and need to roll a 5+ to wound, they may have 20+ attacks.

For example. 10 Wyches(going with no upgrades right now) on the charge would be 30 attacks.

Against 10 Immortals they would get 15 hits and 5 wounds on average and end up killing 1.667 models before Reanimation rolls. With a Lord with rez orb they would not even manage to kill 1 Immortal.
The 10 Immortals would then hit back at WS4 S4 and would hit 5 out of 10 times, with 3.3 wounds caused and the Wyches lose 1.667 models. Without a chance to get back up. Obviously this could go different ways depending on Wych loadout and drug rolls. With a lesser lord in there chances are the Wyches might actually be the ones to lose the combat, especially with wound allocating to a Lord with a 2+/3++/4+++.

I think the biggest unit to worry about in melee from Dark Eldar are Incubi seeing as they have S4 Power weapons and a higher WS than Wyches/Bloodbrides, but beyond that I think Necrons would be fine in resisting the CC department.

Marines would be a different story, especially with Grey Knights though and I could definitly see Necrons having far more trouble against them than any other CC based army. And that is mostly due to them all having power weapons and +S psychic powers which Necrons do not have much defense against enless you are Spyder Spamming.

You will have trouble taking out LF/Dev's with Destroyers, because they will be in cover. They will still get a 4++ save. Furthermore, getting within 24" of the almost-always rear line of a space marine army means every other thing in his list is rapid-firing at you. GG destroyers.

How are your lychguard/praetorians keeping up with jump infantry? They'll be left scambling behind while your destroyers jump up to get within effective range.

People continue to value wyches as an elite CC unit. As everyones favorite blogger Dash says, they are ***not*** an elite cc unit. They are a tarpit unit. They have no power weapons, and need 5's to wound almost anything.

Against anything in power armor, you're toast. Stats are either equal or worse, and that makes for a losing battle. You'll strike second, you'll be missing a hidden PF, you'll have a worse save. How do you win a CC against any marine army with immortals? Oh, and they pistol drilled you before assaulting. How are your assault 2 guns? Oh, they're rapid fire now. Whoops.

Yes they do. The hekatrix can take a power weapon or an agonizer.

**tautemplar**

It seems to me that expensive as he is, the stormlord will be quite mandatory for any army I want to use; but then again, I'm a little crazy.

But I dunno the ability to do random str 8 hits to the side armor of transports seems likes its pretty win to me, especially because statistically you can keep it up for 3 turns. But if you take a standard imperial guard parking lot army that has 20+ vehicles, then statistically you're going to hit 3 each turn and considering most of them have 10 side armor this could be really fun for you.

I was also planning to use a destroyer lord with a res orb and 6 wraiths but seeing as how wraiths have no RP this seems less practical; I'll probably just end up swarming them with 30 scarab bases and hoping for the best.

But I'm thinking I may end up with a stormlord in a barge, 3 monoliths with a master of flame c'tan floating smack in the middle of em, surrounded by scarabs and 2-3 warrior groups hanging back waiting it out while the lord shoot tachyon arrows at whatever vehicles are left after I bring down the thunder. Sure I'll get slaughtered in close combat but atleast the large blast templates from the monoliths will be very helpful against paladins, thunderwolves, and any other elite assaulters that might happen by.

Think this might be a decent strategy?

**BarBoBot**

@ chipstar: Praetorians are jump infantry right?

**Lt. Coldfire**

ShadarLogoth wrote:Therion:

The mental proficiency deficient like yourself posting ridiculous unsubstantiated nonsense like this are why many people are sacred away from playing the game.

People said silly crap like that when the DE book was coming and then Dash proceeded to become one of the top generals in the world with that same book.

I love how some moron whose never played a single game with the codex thinks they know more then the team of play testers who have been working on the thing for years.

I actually just created a handle on a site that I've been trolling for awhile now just to point out the silliness in your though processes. You have awakened me from my tomb world and I'm displeased yet amused.

So your amazingly awesome pwnzer gwnzer GK's and live and dia at 24" but the poor Necrons are going to get Beech Pwned because they have no CC abilities? Yeah that silly little Lord with his retinue of power weapon wielding 4+ reflection shield bearing guys, no worries. And that giant shard of a God with 7 strength and toughness...easy sauce.

You've won a few games with cookie cuter lists you copied off the Internet created by people much smarter then you? Grats buddy, are they still making medals for such accomplishments?

I don't think what Therion has said has been THAT bad.
Sure, he was taking shots at the codex 28 days before release date, but we all have an accidental boner from time to time.

**chipstar1**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
chipstar1 wrote:
Marshal_Hadrial wrote:I don't think it will be that bad with the range. In regards to taking out things like Long Fangs/Devastors or other small heavy weapon squads you can easily do that with Wraiths or the new Destroyers.. Same goes for using the Destroyers to pop transports with the Heavy Cannons, or even using the normal ones to glance the crap out of any other vechicle. If someone does manage to get close enough you can use Wraiths/Lychguard/Praetorians for a count assault unit or put them in the way. When it comes to Eldar, they may be faster, but they have lower strength. Wyches would hit a necron unit on a 4+ and need to roll a 5+ to wound, they may have 20+ attacks.

For example. 10 Wyches(going with no upgrades right now) on the charge would be 30 attacks.

Against 10 Immortals they would get 15 hits and 5 wounds on average and end up killing 1.667 models before Reanimation rolls. With a Lord with rez orb they would not even manage to kill 1 Immortal.
The 10 Immortals would then hit back at WS4 S4 and would hit 5 out of 10 times, with 3.3 wounds caused and the Wyches lose 1.667 models. Without a chance to get back up. Obviously this could go different ways depending on Wych loadout and drug rolls. With a lesser lord in there chances are the Wyches might actually be the ones to lose the combat, especially with wound allocating to a Lord with a 2+/3++/4+++.

I think the biggest unit to worry about in melee from Dark Eldar are Incubi seeing as they have S4 Power weapons and a higher WS than Wyches/Bloodbrides, but beyond that I think Necrons would be fine in resisting the CC department.

Marines would be a different story, especially with Grey Knights though and I could definitly see Necrons having far more trouble against them than any other CC based army. And that is mostly due to them all having power weapons and +S psychic powers which Necrons do not have much defense against enless you are Spyder Spamming.

You will have trouble taking out LF/Dev's with Destroyers, because they will be in cover. They will still get a 4++ save. Furthermore, getting within 24" of the almost-always rear line of a space marine army means every other thing in his list is rapid-firing at you. GG destroyers.

How are your lychguard/praetorians keeping up with jump infantry? They'll be left scambling behind while your destroyers jump up to get within effective range.

People continue to value wyches as an elite CC unit. As everyones favorite blogger Dash says, they are ***not*** an elite cc unit. They are a tarpit unit. They have no power weapons, and need 5's to wound almost anything.

Against anything in power armor, you're toast. Stats are either equal or worse, and that makes for a losing battle. You'll strike second, you'll be missing a hidden PF, you'll have a worse save. How do you win a CC against any marine army with immortals? Oh, and they pistol drilled you before assaulting. How are your assault 2 guns? Oh, they're rapid fire now. Whoops.

Yes they do. The hekatrix can take a power weapon or an agonizer.

He explicitly said 10 wyches, no upgrades.

**GiantSlingshot**

So, I hear this Phaeron upgrade lords can take makes units they're with Relentless. Are any Named characters Phaerons? I hear Stormlord referred to in fluff as a Phaeron... But fluff and rules don't have to dovetail in this game.

Anyone know?

Just thinking that Gauss Immortals with a relentless IC leading them and the buff from Anrakyr... they might not actually be a god-awful unit to assault with after shooting.

**woodbok**

James100 wrote:Destroyers are £12.50 and Heavy Destroyers are £15 - Check again woodbok!

Check again James!

**Lt. Coldfire**

I see this:

I hope all is settled.

**Flint**

The Monolith doesn't have any protection from DS Mishaps, so good luck to you and your attempts to DS is anywhere near your opponents.

I REALLY would like this to be confirmed by one of you, who actually HAS a new codex. With this information my new gameplan will rise... or fall.

**Swara**

GiantSlingshot wrote:So, I hear this Phaeron upgrade lords can take makes units they're with Relentless. Are any Named characters Phaerons? I hear Stormlord referred to in fluff as a Phaeron... But fluff and rules don't have to dovetail in this game.

Anyone know?

Just thinking that Gauss Immortals with a relentless IC leading them and the buff from Anrakyr... they might not actually be a god-awful unit to assault with after shooting.

Stormlord is a Phaeron. That's it other than the basic overlord being upgraded to one.

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Flint wrote:
The Monolith doesn't have any protection from DS Mishaps, so good luck to you and your attempts to DS is anywhere near your opponents.

I REALLY would like this to be confirmed by one of you, who actually HAS a new codex. With this information my new gameplan will rise... or fall.

No protection that I saw : (

**Sasori**

You will have trouble taking out LF/Dev's with Destroyers, because they will be in cover. They will still get a 4++ save. Furthermore, getting within 24" of the almost-always rear line of a space marine army means every other thing in his list is rapid-firing at you. GG destroyers.

Someone can Math hammer this, but even with the 4+ Cover save a unit of Destroyers is quite likely to Wipe out, if not cripple the Unit. Also, if your Space Marine unit decides to disembark from their Rhino, to Rapid fire into the Destroyers, then I don't see the problem. That leaves them pretty vulnerable to my shooting next turn. In Addition, you Need to wipe out every Destroyer with your Rapid fire, or 33% of them are getting back up.

How are your lychguard/praetorians keeping up with jump infantry? They'll be left scambling behind while your destroyers jump up to get within effective range.

Praetorians are Jump infantry. Granted, I still think the unit still sucks. Also, Lycheguard can take a 36' Transport.

People continue to value wyches as an elite CC unit. As everyones favorite blogger Dash says, they are ***not*** an elite cc unit. They are a tarpit unit. They have no power weapons, and need 5's to wound almost anything.

Technically, Hekatrixes can take an Agoniser. And nobody has said they are an elite CC unit. It is the most likely unit with fleet to be assaulting from a raider though, isn't it? Which is where the comparison came from.

Against anything in power armor, you're toast. Stats are either equal or worse, and that makes for a losing battle. You'll strike second, you'll be missing a hidden PF, you'll have a worse save. How do you win a CC against any marine army with immortals? Oh, and they pistol drilled you before assaulting. How are your assault 2 guns? Oh, they're rapid fire now. Whoops.

Well, let's mention a few things here. For one, you can have Court Lords in with these immortals. They can take War Scythes, Rez orbs, Phase shifters, and Sempiternal weaves. While it's not cost efficient to take everything, you really only need the Warscythe and a Phase shifter to win combat. The Warscythe hits on 4's, and wounds on 2's, killing your marines. It's got a 3++ to absorb the powerfist hits as well.
Not to mention that Immortals can Take Tesla Carbines for free, which are a lot more effective against MEQ's than Gauss blasters are.

You are trying to play things in a vacuum with all this speculation completely in your favor, With no supporting math I might add, and are not considering a multitude of factors. You act like you are just going to roll up across the boar will all your transports and marines intact, get into close combat, and wipe everything out without blinking. Games never go like that, you should know better.

**Pyriel-**

Looking at the necron lord...damn but that's a nice codex creep, compared to the super lame SM captain and other HQ choices he is a beast.
I suspect a pretty nice future cheese increase in a remade SM codex to keep it in line.

**Hox**

http://saimhann.blogspot.com/2011/11/necron-codex-finally-leaked-pics-below.html

WRAITHS LOOK DIFFERENT!>!>!

Edit: You're welcome in advance.

**Sasori**

Hox wrote:http://saimhann.blogspot.com/2011/11/necron-codex-finally-leaked-pics-below.html

WRAITHS LOOK DIFFERENT!>!>!

Edit: You're welcome in advance.

They do. They look like a mix between a Trygon, and a Tomb Spyder.

**Hox**

Sasori wrote:
Hox wrote:http://saimhann.blogspot.com/2011/11/necron-codex-finally-leaked-pics-below.html

WRAITHS LOOK DIFFERENT!>!>!

Edit: You're welcome in advance.

They do. They look like a mix between a Trygon, and a Tomb Spyder.

I just jumped in. This hasn't already linked before has it? It fits the idea that the canopteks are all working together.

**ShadarLogoth**

You are trying to play things in a vacuum with all this speculation completely in your favor, With no supporting math I might add, and are not considering a multitude of factors. You act like you are just going to roll up across the boar will all your transports and marines intact, get into close combat, and wipe everything out without blinking. Games never go like that, you should know better.

Exactly, Post of the thread.

Sasori, I'm curios about your dislike for the Praetorians, their costs seem high but their weapons are at least intriguing, although of limited range. I could see having a squad hang around behind the front lines to provide a quick strike assault on anyone that gets close. Throw in the Preatorians and step every one back 6" for another volley of fire once combat is resolved.

Similarly, I'm intrigued by the new Flayed Ones (my 20 primed and painted old models may be affecting my judgement). Their reduced cost seems to make them an ideal tar-pit now. 4T 4+/5+ should keep them going long enough to give the rest of the army some back-stepping room.

**usa_supersonic**

wait a minute...Gauss cannon on the destroyers is now S5 with 24" range and a ap3 ?
I sure hope not...

**GiantSlingshot**

Now I just imagine every Wraith in my army voiced by Wesley from Portal 2.

Edit: Quite So. Wheatley.

**Hox**

GiantSlingshot wrote:Now I just imagine every Wraith in my army voiced by Wesley from Portal 2.

Wheatley*

Walker looks HUGE by the way.

**GiantSlingshot**

Hox wrote:
GiantSlingshot wrote:Now I just imagine every Wraith in my army voiced by Wesley from Portal 2.

Wheatley*

Walker looks HUGE by the way.

Yeah... I was thinking it'd be overkill to use my defiler as a stand in for it... Now I'm thinking it's about right.

**MasterSlowPoke**

Which one is this happy little fellow?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoJnxykUjQw/TrL3cMs2AvI/AAAAAAAAPMw/MEu3Ze6ZNrE/s1600/IMGP4281.jpg

**Sasori**

I just jumped in. This hasn't already linked before has it? It fits the idea that the canopteks are all working together.

Nope, that's new, and is surely appreciated by those of us (I.E. Me) That haven't gotten our Codex yet.

Exactly, Post of the thread.

Sasori, I'm curios about your dislike for the Praetorians, their costs seem high but their weapons are at least intriguing, although of limited range. I could see having a squad hang around behind the front lines to provide a quick strike assault on anyone that gets close. Throw in the Preatorians and step every one back 6" for another volley of fire once combat is resolved.

Similarly, I'm intrigued by the new Flayed Ones (my 20 primed and painted old models may be affecting my judgement). Their reduced cost seems to make them an ideal tar-pit now. 4T 4+/5+ should keep them going long enough to give the rest of the army some back-stepping room.

My main issue with the Praetorians is, that even with their weapon, they are not going to hold up well in combat. You really need to wipe out your enemy in the shooting phase, or at least totally cripple it, before you assault. Chances are, that you are going to hit second. If the Enemy is wielding power weapons, you may not even get a chance to strike.
Couple this, with the fact that Praetorains now only have 1A base (Which was confirmed on Warseer,the GW website is wrong) it can get really messy. In addition, for every praetorian you lose, you are loosing a lot of firepower. The biggest issue with them, is the I2. Without any sort of invul save, the chances are they are going to get wiped out to uselessness in their first combat. If you only want to keep them for their shooting, then I think they are a waste of points in that regard.

Now, don't get me wrong, I do intend to try them a few times. They may look bad on paper, and turn out to be a lot better in the game. It's always possible. I just don't feel the potential is there.

For their points cost, Flayed ones are not a bad unit at all. The main issue to me, is they take up an Elite slot. If they were troops, I would no issue taking some at all.

EDIT:

Which one is this happy little fellow?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoJnxykUjQw/TrL3cMs2AvI/AAAAAAAAPMw/MEu3Ze6ZNrE/s1600/IMGP4281.jpg

Judging by the cut off "Illu" Ont he right hand side, I would say Illuminor Szeras.

**Hox**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Which one is this happy little fellow?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoJnxykUjQw/TrL3cMs2AvI/AAAAAAAAPMw/MEu3Ze6ZNrE/s1600/IMGP4281.jpg

If I had to guess I would say they are releasing a general use shard model.

OH I read somewhere about an unmentioned HQ so far, something about endless swarm or such and such.

**woodbok**

Lt. Coldfire wrote:I see this:

I hope all is settled.

I see this.

**SoulGazer**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Which one is this happy little fellow?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoJnxykUjQw/TrL3cMs2AvI/AAAAAAAAPMw/MEu3Ze6ZNrE/s1600/IMGP4281.jpg

It's Illuminor Szeras, I think. Look at the text. Edit: That is all.

**SiegeCommander**

Wow the triarch stalker looks badass, PLEASE GW GIVE US A MODEL FOR THIS THING!

**MasterSlowPoke**

Hox wrote:
MasterSlowPoke wrote:Which one is this happy little fellow?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoJnxykUjQw/TrL3cMs2AvI/AAAAAAAAPMw/MEu3Ze6ZNrE/s1600/IMGP4281.jpg

If I had to guess I would say they are releasing a general use shard model.

OH I read somewhere about an unmentioned HQ so far, something about endless swarm or such and such.

Looking at that D3 chart, I'm thinking he's Illuminor Szeras, one of the worst character choices.