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MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Hox wrote:

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Which one is this happy little fellow?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoJnxykUjQw/TrL3cMs2AvI/AAAAAAAAPMw/MEu3Ze6ZNrE/s1600/IMGP4281.jpg

If I had to guess I would say they are releasing a general use shard model.

OH I read somewhere about an unmentioned HQ so far, something about endless swarm or such and such.

Looking at that D3 chart, I'm thinking he's Illuminor Szeras, one of the worst character choices.

Shot through the heart, and you're to blame. That's too bad. why waste something awesome on a bad character.


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If you are interested, supposedly there will soon be visual replicas documented on the computer which can found on the 4th channel, where traditional games are occasionally played.

God that hox has a way with words. Hes handsome too I hear.

Couple this, with the fact that Praetorains now only have 1A base (Which was confirmed on Warseer,the GW website is wrong) it can get really messy. In addition, for every praetorian you lose, you are loosing a lot of firepower. The biggest issue with them, is the I2. Without any sort of invul save, the chances are they are going to get wiped out to uselessness in their first combat. If you only want to keep them for their shooting, then I think they are a waste of points in that regard.

Now, don't get me wrong, I do intend to try them a few times. They may look bad on paper, and turn out to be a lot better in the game. It's always possible. I just don't feel the potential is there.

For their points cost, Flayed ones are not a bad unit at all. The main issue to me, is they take up an Elite slot. If they were troops, I would no issue taking some at all.

Fair points. I think that 5 2 weapon should soften up most assault units, basically giving them a high initiative swing before taking on the brunt of the assault units force. Even if used sacrificially, as long as they don't die the turn they assault, tying up that nasty group of [insert nasty assault unit here) long enough to give your gimps some time to make a tactical retreat should more then pay for themselves. At least that's the idea.

Totally agree with the Elites point with the flayed ones. Although, with some of the pizzazz from other FOS, I don't see the elites section of this codex competing for attention as much as it does in say the DE or Nid dex.

Has anyone confirmed the squad size of Flayed ones is max 20? Could be quite the frustration unit if so, especially combined with the Stormlord ability. And speaking of that ability, has anyone confirmed its random? Doesn't seem nearly as good if so.

Hox wrote:http://saimhann.blogspot.com/2011/11/necron-codex-finally-leaked-pics-below.html

WRAITHS LOOK DIFFERENT!>!>!

Edit: You're welcome in advance.

I see no wraiths?

Also in the comments

Alex 38 minutes ago
I smell lawsuit very soon, I don't know how many of you guys here fallowing Blizzard's StarCraft 2's Heart of the Swarm. The 4th picture (UFO ship) is so similar to the protoss's new tempest ship.

Too funny

corpsesarefun wrote:

Hox wrote:http://saimhann.blogspot.com/2011/11/necron-codex-finally-leaked-pics-below.html

WRAITHS LOOK DIFFERENT!>!>!

Edit: You're welcome in advance.

I see no wraiths?

Also in the comments

Alex 38 minutes ago
I smell lawsuit very soon, I don't know how many of you guys here fallowing Blizzard's StarCraft 2's Heart of the Swarm. The 4th picture (UFO ship) is so similar to the protoss's new tempest ship.

Too funny

They are the trygon thing behind the guardsmen.

As much as I hate GW, god damn they make such beautiful models.

The Necrons I've seen so far are a home run, flayed ones excluded.

tetrisphreak wrote:So i've got a rules question (that should probably go to YMDC as of Nov 5 2011, but for now i'll post it here):

Vehicles treat difficult terrain as if it were dangerous, yes? So immediately, the c'tan power that effects all area terrain becomes a 33% chance to immobilize enemy vehicles, just for them trying to move into it. Factor in Orikan the diviner's power, and the enemy has to make a choice on turn 1 - risk immobilizing their vehicles on a roll of 1, or 2, or stay in their deployment zone and wait for the pain.

Do you remember that time that you were inches away from victory in a capture and control game, and at the last minute a venom or raider or land speeder turbo-boosted to just within 3", contesting the objective and costing you a victory? Now with the c'tan in play you can target those skimmers with a tremorstave, and leave them a 1/3 chance to immobilize and become destroyed if they try any shenanigans like this...or you can plan ahead and place your objectives in area terrain to start with.

So the main issue is does the c'tan power affect vehicles, if so, does their dangerous terrain become double-dangerous as per the wording of the rule?

Also in dawn of war you'll kill 33 percent of the enemy's transports before they can even roll on the table. rock.

While I personally think Orikan and the C'tan power will combine correctly, you're dramatically overstepping the "fail on 1 or 2" clause.

Vehicles count Difficult Terrain as Dangerous Terrain. At no point, however, is that terrain actually Dangerous.

Orikan says: Everything is Difficult Terrain.
C'tan says: Count Difficult Terrain as Dangerous Terrain.
Vehicle rules say: Count Difficult Terrain as Dangerous Terrain.

At no point is there actually any Dangerous Terrain--there are just two identical rules causing a vehicle to count Difficult as Dangerous. Trying to suggest they'd stack (which is nonsensical at best) to trigger the fail on 1/2 clause is outrageous.

Same goes for Jump Infantry, Bikes, Jetbikes, etc. The only thing that will trigger the 1-2 failure clause is true Dangerous Terrain, which for most people's purposes, is just Wrecked Vehicles.

That said, Orikan is still a nightmare in Dawn of War, and is my best friend in the whole world.

Love the pics but a little confused by the wraith pic. So all of our old wraith models are useless now? Those of us with 3 full squads are SOL. unless there are going to be two diffrent types as in necron and canopic style.

Really? I thought the trygon thing was a tomb spyder...

Flint wrote:

The Monolith doesn't have any protection from DS Mishaps, so good luck to you and your attempts to DS is anywhere near your opponents.

I REALLY would like this to be confirmed by one of you, who actually HAS a new codex. With this information my new gameplan will rise... or fall.

Much to my chagrin, it has been confirmed by one or two different people with codices.

Sasori wrote:

You will have trouble taking out LF/Dev's with Destroyers, because they will be in cover. They will still get a 4++ save. Furthermore, getting within 24" of the almost-always rear line of a space marine army means every other thing in his list is rapid-firing at you. GG destroyers.

Someone can Math hammer this, but even with the 4+ Cover save a unit of Destroyers is quite likely to Wipe out, if not cripple the Unit. Also, if your Space Marine unit decides to disembark from their Rhino, to Rapid fire into the Destroyers, then I don't see the problem. That leaves them pretty vulnerable to my shooting next turn. In Addition, you Need to wipe out every Destroyer with your Rapid fire, or 33% of them are getting back up.

Yeah, 33% of 4 models rounds off to 1 model.

sasori wrote:

Against anything in power armor, you're toast. Stats are either equal or worse, and that makes for a losing battle. You'll strike second, you'll be missing a hidden PF, you'll have a worse save. How do you win a CC against any marine army with immortals? Oh, and they pistol drilled you before assaulting. How are your assault 2 guns? Oh, they're rapid fire now. Whoops.

Well, let's mention a few things here. For one, you can have Court Lords in with these immortals. They can take War Scythes, Rez orbs, Phase shifters, and Sempiternal weaves. While it's not cost efficient to take everything, you really only need the Warscythe and a Phase shifter to win combat. The Warscythe hits on 4's, and wounds on 2's, killing your marines. It's got a 3++ to absorb the powerfist hits as well.
Not to mention that Immortals can Take Tesla Carbines for free, which are a lot more effective against MEQ's than Gauss blasters are.

This is what I mentioned previously. The Necrons need several upgrades in order to counter a basic unit. I haven't seen a single Necron unit that is a real threat to any MEQ army on its own yet. If the Necrons constantly need to take 2 different units just to be a viable counter to a SM Tac Squad, then this will not be a competitive codex.

ShadarLogoth wrote:Similarly, I'm intrigued by the new Flayed Ones (my 20 primed and painted old models may be affecting my judgement). Their reduced cost seems to make them an ideal tar-pit now. 4T 4+/5+ should keep them going long enough to give the rest of the army some back-stepping room.

They're not likely much of a tar pit as they have I2 and are not Fearless, so I would be expecting them to get swept quite often. Even at 3 attacks each, 5 Flayed Ones will suffer 3 casualties to 5 Tac Marines before the Necrons ever get to attack. The Flayed Ones will respond with 6 attacks, 3 hits and 1 wound. They're not tar pits; they're puddles.

scythewing wrote:Love the pics but a little confused by the wraith pic. So all of our old wraith models are useless now? Those of us with 3 full squads are SOL. unless there are going to be two diffrent types as in necron and canopic style.

There is no reason why you can't use your current models.


I'm wondering if the Tomb Spyders/Wraiths are going to end up in a 3 piece Duel it. From the Artwork, it sure looks possible.

woodbok wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:I see this:

(pic showing US prices)

I hope all is settled.

I see this.
(pic showing UK prices at £12.50 destroyers and £12.30 heavy destroyers)

You need to clear cache maybe, it used to show that but they changed it a few hours ago. Heavy destroyers on the UK site now show £15 cost

Wraiths looks like Robo-Raveners to me. I'm in a bit of a pickle now, I've been scouring Bartertown and Ebay trying to snag 18 Wraiths but if we use Dark Eldar as an example, things with art will get models, and I am willing to bet the wraiths will be sweet, I just hope they aren't Finecast

One more sleep....

zacharia wrote:

woodbok wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:I see this:

(pic showing US prices)

I hope all is settled.

I see this.
(pic showing UK prices at £12.50 destroyers and £12.30 heavy destroyers)

You need to clear cache maybe, it used to show that but they changed it a few hours ago. Heavy destroyers on the UK site now show £15 cost

Confirmed, prices are up to date on the German website as well:

Here the art for three new units (that we will see in the second wave quite soon):

The Doom Scythe:


The Tomb Blade:


The Triarch Stalker:

Looking forward to the Triarch Stalker model, not looking forward to GW most likely charging 39€ for it.

Zachilles wrote:Wraiths looks like Robo-Raveners to me. I'm in a bit of a pickle now, I've been scouring Bartertown and Ebay trying to snag 18 Wraiths but if we use Dark Eldar as an example, things with art will get models, and I am willing to bet the wraiths will be sweet, I just hope they aren't Finecast

They will be Finecast, most certainly. Milk the cow etc.

I beat the tracker! I feel special.

Hox wrote:I beat the tracker! I feel special.

You didn't have the Doom Scythe


I'm wondering if the Triarch Stalker is going to be a Plastic kit, or Finecast.

I'd like Plastic, but I imagine Plastic wise we are looking at

Doomscythe/NightScythe

Wraiths/Spyders

Tomb Blades

Characters in Finecast.

Sasori wrote:I'm wondering if the Tomb Spyders/Wraiths are going to end up in a 3 piece Duel it. From the Artwork, it sure looks possible.

Judging by the relative size of the marines/scarabs in the two pictures the scales look completely different. I think the wraiths will follow the TK Sepulchral Stalkers 3-per-box model but the Tomb Spyders look like they will be MC size and I expect will be one per box.

Don't have the codex yet to check point costs or whether there are the usual configuration options that are used to justify the multipart single box models

Therion wrote:

Arandmoor wrote:Just pointing out that "elite shooty" =/= "long range"

Tau are *the* long range army.
Necrons shoot better.

Always been this way.

Tau? Seriously? Tau aren't in the top5 of shooty armies. They're outdated and uncompetitive. Necrons on the other hand aren't outdated anymore but still don't seem to be too competitive.

Yes tau. Please note...no don't note. Go back, re-read what I wrote, and do so carefully. Make sure you don't miss anything this time.

Tau are an edition behind. Of course they're not a "top shooting army" at the moment. What they are, is *long range*. Guard have artillery, but they also got a new codex more recently than the tau did. And yes, before you say something else to defend yourself, I consider the tau to be "longer range" than necrons because the basic gun on their bread and butter unit (firewarriors) is freaking 30" (and S5 which is still pretty amazing).

Also, I want to know exactly how you've managed to play enough games with the new 'dex (that isn't even officially out yet) to authoratively state that the new necron 'dex "still don't seem to be too competitive".

chipstar1 wrote:

I'd like to counter-point that you're wrong on both counts. Tau pale in comparison to most IG lists, and Necrons shoot no better than tau in their current form.

"elite shooty" means either they are small expensive units that are very shooty, or they are the premier shooty army. I see neither out of this codex. All shooting besides the barge/ark seems to be nerfed in at least range, and type of shot (so much rapid fire).

And I'd like to point out that you failed to read what I wrote. And did so twice, apparently.

Again: "Elite Shooty" does NOT equal "long range". Also, tau still have 30" basic guns compared to 24" tops for everyone else. Add that to the simple fact that Tau are still an edition out of date and I'll defend their position as the "kings of long range". They're just lacking a 5th/6th edition codex (i'm not looking forward to the BS they'll be able to field with hammerheads being 1-3 squadrons and like twice the vehicle-killing options. You know it's comming...).

DJ3 wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:So i've got a rules question (that should probably go to YMDC as of Nov 5 2011, but for now i'll post it here):

Vehicles treat difficult terrain as if it were dangerous, yes? So immediately, the c'tan power that effects all area terrain becomes a 33% chance to immobilize enemy vehicles, just for them trying to move into it. Factor in Orikan the diviner's power, and the enemy has to make a choice on turn 1 - risk immobilizing their vehicles on a roll of 1, or 2, or stay in their deployment zone and wait for the pain.

Do you remember that time that you were inches away from victory in a capture and control game, and at the last minute a venom or raider or land speeder turbo-boosted to just within 3", contesting the objective and costing you a victory? Now with the c'tan in play you can target those skimmers with a tremorstave, and leave them a 1/3 chance to immobilize and become destroyed if they try any shenanigans like this...or you can plan ahead and place your objectives in area terrain to start with.

So the main issue is does the c'tan power affect vehicles, if so, does their dangerous terrain become double-dangerous as per the wording of the rule?

Also in dawn of war you'll kill 33 percent of the enemy's transports before they can even roll on the table. rock.

While I personally think Orikan and the C'tan power will combine correctly, you're dramatically overstepping the "fail on 1 or 2" clause.

Vehicles count Difficult Terrain as Dangerous Terrain. At no point, however, is that terrain actually Dangerous.

Orikan says: Everything is Difficult Terrain.
C'tan says: Count Difficult Terrain as Dangerous Terrain.
Vehicle rules say: Count Difficult Terrain as Dangerous Terrain.

At no point is there actually any Dangerous Terrain--there are just two identical rules causing a vehicle to count Difficult as Dangerous. Trying to suggest they'd stack (which is nonsensical at best) to trigger the fail on 1/2 clause is outrageous.

Same goes for Jump Infantry, Bikes, Jetbikes, etc. The only thing that will trigger the 1-2 failure clause is true Dangerous Terrain, which for most people's purposes, is just Wrecked Vehicles.

That said, Orikan is still a nightmare in Dawn of War, and is my best friend in the whole world.

I pretty much said the same thing...like three pages back. LoL This thread is moving too fast. It might have been more than 3 pages now...


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usa_supersonic wrote:wait a minute...Gauss cannon on the destroyers is now S5 with 24" range and a ap3 ?
I sure hope not...

Really? You hope not? So you want all the marines to get their 3+ armor saves instead of...none? Even with a shorter range and lower strength it's still a far superior gun in the meta.

Sigvatr wrote:Looking forward to the Triarch Stalker model, not looking forward to GW most likely charging 39€ for it.

Zachilles wrote:Wraiths looks like Robo-Raveners to me. I'm in a bit of a pickle now, I've been scouring Bartertown and Ebay trying to snag 18 Wraiths but if we use Dark Eldar as an example, things with art will get models, and I am willing to bet the wraiths will be sweet, I just hope they aren't Finecast

They will be Finecast, most certainly. Milk the cow etc.

With the rumored art changes making it clear that Spyders/Wraiths will likely be a shared kit, I can't imagine them being Finecast.

Maybe something closer to Bloodcrushers. 3 huge plastic models with options for ~$55.

Kevin949 wrote:I pretty much said the same thing...like three pages back. LoL This thread is moving too fast. It might have been more than 3 pages now...

Yeah, I skipped some pages, but wanted to make sure it had been said.

So Lychguard seems like a good group to put together first.

Sasori wrote:

Hox wrote:I beat the tracker! I feel special.

You didn't have the Doom Scythe


I'm wondering if the Triarch Stalker is going to be a Plastic kit, or Finecast.

I'd like Plastic, but I imagine Plastic wise we are looking at

Doomscythe/NightScythe

Wraiths/Spyders

Tomb Blades

Characters in Finecast.

hey like 6/7 isnt too bad.

You got some work to do Swara!

Sasori wrote:You got some work to do Swara!

Wow, the Lychguard are bigger than I thought they would be and so many extra parts..

Hox wrote:I beat the tracker! I feel special.

Thought your link was a Hoax
Actually I didn't see any recent pics in the thread, you only posted a link. And maybe people appreciate the better quality of the pics.

If you google do a barrel roll on google your screen does a barrel roll. How intense is that.

Anyone else thinking you could make doomscythes out of the barge kits? Look at the cron pilot compared to its vehicle.


Cheap alternative?

I love the new triarch stalker. Very War of the Worlds. The tomb blades look kinda silly though.