Chaos Marines Tactica [8th Edition]

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**Not Online!!!**

macluvin wrote:
In your opinion, do you guys have a fun time just putting what you want on the board? I mean running hybrid helbrutes because you like a sub optimized walker with a fist and a heavy weapon more than a face punching fist and flail brute, or a pure Dakka brute. Or running csm squads because you simply want the troops to be such rather than meat shield cultists. Or putting possessed on the board because Daemonic ally possessed chaos space marines just sounds brutal and awesome, despite the contrary on the tabletop. Maybe you put Dino its in your list because a dark mechanum just sounds cool. Maybe there’s a land raider in your list because it is iconic and it looks awesome. Do any of you put things that gimp your list for the rule of cool and enjoy the games, or do you hate finding yourself either being crushed by a net list or some partially optimized list? Or even factions that don’t even have to try to be competitive?

Depends, i like to make wonky builds.
I do however run seperate lists and am in a position with the group and my collection that i can play with that we run both competitve and fluff / campaigns/ casuals.

However i also play R&H, and the balancing for that, well, if nu marines are there that passion project of mine doesn't need to show up.

As for CSM, the whole gotcha combo thingy, and the ammount of units that just don't perform ( your units like dino or LR atleast have some use, but explain to me the CSM predator, more expensive then Dino and less capability, and yet the dino is allready meh at best.) And the ammount of synergy combination required is insanely annoying especially for less suported sub archetypes.

**Azuza001**

I like running what I like vs what's good. My black legion force runs a blob of 20 chaos marines with bolters and 2 10 man squads with plasma guns. It would make sense to put the plasma in the 20 man group to make it safer but i prefer the way this way looks. Add Abaddon in for moral and rerolls, and dark apostle and term sorcerer, and that's may base army. 40 marines and 3 chrs.

**VladimirHerzog**

CSM is my army that i'm not going for the power picks. I run whichever models i like.

I play night lords and i've got a battalion of smash lord + jumpack sorcerer + reaper chaincannon MSU marines.
I add to this a dual power scourge chaos dread (modeled with the blood angels claws).
I've got a vindicator in there because i like the model so much.
I like having a drill + plague marines.
And i pad it out with slaanesh demons

i still manage to win games at my local club (back when these were a thing) but i wouldnt run that list at a tournament

**BertBert**

Do you think something like this is workable?

Word Bearers Dark Apostle with Mark of Khorne, Exalted Posession and Cursed Crozius as a blender, screened by a cultist blob.
MoP and Greater Possessed nearby to buff the DA and other DAEMON units.
A Venomcrawler tagging along to benefit from the daemon buffs and Bloodletters to summon in once close enough.
MSU Marines to fill troop slots and Havocs for fire support.

**Slayer-Fan123**

macluvin wrote:
I was talking about just putting stuff in the list because you like it that way over the rules favoring it with advantages. Or because it fits your vision of your army better than a more capable or efficient unit. The only unit that is so crappy I wouldn’t is possessed but if the models were Cooler like the greater possessed... Or maybe if I just looked at someone’s spare spawn bits..

If there's actual synergy to make it work, sure, and that's why Alpha Legion are popular for Possessed and not Word Bearers for example.

**Not Online!!!**

BertBert wrote:
Do you think something like this is workable?

Word Bearers Dark Apostle with Mark of Khorne, Exalted Posession and Cursed Crozius as a blender, screened by a cultist blob.
MoP and Greater Possessed nearby to buff the DA and other DAEMON units.
A Venomcrawler tagging along to benefit from the daemon buffs and Bloodletters to summon in once close enough.
MSU Marines to fill troop slots and Havocs for fire support.

probably to squishy and slow.
As in the blender DA.
if you'd picked a Lord with jumppack then i could see it occaisionally work, but DA's are rather slow and you lack the tools to for the walk up style of AL with WB.

In theory it is highly synergetic and if you face an melee army that wants to close the gap to you then yes it can work but overall i'd say it's to slow.
Btw, if a blender lord is not to your liking remember a DP is a daemon, and a caster, which would servce you better overall for such a combination attempt , not to mention he has the option for wings.

**BertBert**

Not Online!!! wrote:
BertBert wrote:
Do you think something like this is workable?

Word Bearers Dark Apostle with Mark of Khorne, Exalted Posession and Cursed Crozius as a blender, screened by a cultist blob.
MoP and Greater Possessed nearby to buff the DA and other DAEMON units.
A Venomcrawler tagging along to benefit from the daemon buffs and Bloodletters to summon in once close enough.
MSU Marines to fill troop slots and Havocs for fire support.

probably to squishy and slow.
As in the blender DA.
if you'd picked a Lord with jumppack then i could see it occaisionally work, but DA's are rather slow and you lack the tools to for the walk up style of AL with WB.

In theory it is highly synergetic and if you face an melee army that wants to close the gap to you then yes it can work but overall i'd say it's to slow.
Btw, if a blender lord is not to your liking remember a DP is a daemon, and a caster, which would servce you better overall for such a combination attempt , not to mention he has the option for wings.

Thanks for the reply!

Yeah, I figured that the footslogging part would be an issue and hoped that I could somewhat compensate for this with Warptime or maybe a Rhino to ferry him and his retinue around. I also figured that a solid blob of cultists or two would screen him long enough to get him into cc eventually. I was planning on including some faster elements like summoned Bloodcrushers/Screamers to close the gap and buy some time. Or maybe some vanilla Terminators to deepsstrike into hard to reach places, contest objectives and pummel stray squads while the main line advances.

A DP is certainly a nice alternative, but the DA is pretty much my centerpiece model that sparked the whole idea in the first place, so I'm committed to making him work as my Warlord.

**JNAProductions**

If the DA is in a transport, it cannot use its Prayers that round.

Just making sure you know.

**BertBert**

JNAProductions wrote:
If the DA is in a transport, it cannot use its Prayers that round.

Just making sure you know.

Yup, that's one of the issues with that idea. Another would be the Rhino going kaboom in turn one.

**Not Online!!!**

BertBert wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
BertBert wrote:
Do you think something like this is workable?

Word Bearers Dark Apostle with Mark of Khorne, Exalted Posession and Cursed Crozius as a blender, screened by a cultist blob.
MoP and Greater Possessed nearby to buff the DA and other DAEMON units.
A Venomcrawler tagging along to benefit from the daemon buffs and Bloodletters to summon in once close enough.
MSU Marines to fill troop slots and Havocs for fire support.

probably to squishy and slow.
As in the blender DA.
if you'd picked a Lord with jumppack then i could see it occaisionally work, but DA's are rather slow and you lack the tools to for the walk up style of AL with WB.

In theory it is highly synergetic and if you face an melee army that wants to close the gap to you then yes it can work but overall i'd say it's to slow.
Btw, if a blender lord is not to your liking remember a DP is a daemon, and a caster, which would servce you better overall for such a combination attempt , not to mention he has the option for wings.

Thanks for the reply!

Yeah, I figured that the footslogging part would be an issue and hoped that I could somewhat compensate for this with Warptime or maybe a Rhino to ferry him and his retinue around. I also figured that a solid blob of cultists or two would screen him long enough to get him into cc eventually. I was planning on including some faster elements like summoned Bloodcrushers/Screamers to close the gap and buy some time. Or maybe some vanilla Terminators to deepsstrike into hard to reach places, contest objectives and pummel stray squads while the main line advances.

A DP is certainly a nice alternative, but the DA is pretty much my centerpiece model that sparked the whole idea in the first place, so I'm committed to making him work as my Warlord.

Hrm, have you considered frothing Horde of doom style for the army.

Between the vigilus detachment and Double prayer shenanigans you could Run an army that is in essence a doom cult.

Hordes of cultists, him, some other daemon models sprinkled in and whilest also slow probably more meat to take a pounding.

**BertBert**

Not Online!!! wrote:

Hrm, have you considered frothing Horde of doom style for the army.

Between the vigilus detachment and Double prayer shenanigans you could Run an army that is in essence a doom cult.

Hordes of cultists, him, some other daemon models sprinkled in and whilest also slow probably more meat to take a pounding.

Help me out there, what detachment and lineup would that entail?

**Not Online!!!**

BertBert wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

Hrm, have you considered frothing Horde of doom style for the army.

Between the vigilus detachment and Double prayer shenanigans you could Run an army that is in essence a doom cult.

Hordes of cultists, him, some other daemon models sprinkled in and whilest also slow probably more meat to take a pounding.

Help me out there, what detachment and lineup would that entail?

Flock of doom i belief is the name.

Add some minor boni to cultists and a stratagem to improve a roll by 1 for prayers if cultists are around. If i recall correctly.

Of course that would be a completely diffrent Style to your first Suggestion/question and i have no idea what your collection dies or does not entail.

**BertBert**

Not Online!!! wrote:

Flock of doom i belief is the name.

Add some minor boni to cultists and a stratagem to improve a roll by 1 for prayers if cultists are around. If i recall correctly.

Of course that would be a completely diffrent Style to your first Suggestion/question and i have no idea what your collection dies or does not entail.

Oh, Cult of Doom, is it?

I've checked that one out, but I don't find the bonuses to be particularly appealing. With disciples around, prayers will already go off 5/6 times and there are a bunch of Stratagems I'd probably rather spend that 1 CP on.
Maybe I'm missing something here, I'm not too deep into the whole vigilus part. Getting back into the game after quite some time, It's difficult enough to make sense of all the synergies concerning legions, stratagems, chaos marks, warlord traits, items and summoning

So far this is what I have available:

- 1 Dark Apostle with Disciples
- 1 MoP
- 1 Greater Possessed
- 10 CSM
- 12 Cultists (more incoming)
- 5 Havocs
- 6 Chosen
- 1 Venomcrawler
- 3 Blood Crushers

**Not Online!!!**

Any idea of the expected level you want to play on?
or is theme more important to you?

**Reivax26**

Anyone ever try running a spearhead of 3 Venomcrawlers and a Khorne Daemon Prince that run up a flank together?

Not too expensive points wise but not easy to ignore.

**Not Online!!!**

Reivax26 wrote:
Anyone ever try running a spearhead of 3 Venomcrawlers and a Khorne Daemon Prince that run up a flank together?

Not too expensive points wise but not easy to ignore.

i fail to see the use of a khorne DP over a Lord discordant, except the cover provided to the DP.
That said it's a nasty melee spearhead, however Venomcrawlers aren't what i'd describe as "durable".

**BertBert**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Any idea of the expected level you want to play on?
or is theme more important to you?

Theme mostly, but I want to try and get the most out of it. Our community is low to moderately competitive, so you can get away with not bringing a netlist all the time.

**p5freak**

Reivax26 wrote:
Anyone ever try running a spearhead of 3 Venomcrawlers and a Khorne Daemon Prince that run up a flank together?

Not too expensive points wise but not easy to ignore.

I have a hard time moving and staying within the 6" aura of a disco lord or demon prince with three venomcrawlers, because of terrain.

**Not Online!!!**

BertBert wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Any idea of the expected level you want to play on?
or is theme more important to you?

Theme mostly, but I want to try and get the most out of it. Our community is low to moderately competitive, so you can get away with not bringing a netlist all the time.

have an idea, will write it out later then.

**Reivax26**

The general idea was that the Venomcrawlers would provide cover for the Daemon Prince to get in combat. Give him the Talisman of Burning Blood and depending on Warptime he could have a 25 to 30 inch move after he runs. Then he charges in.

The Venomcrawlers would either smash in the 2nd turn or break off towards other units like maybe something holding a backfield objective.

I am new to Chaos but it seemed like a viable idea for Alpha Legion. Especially if you take Master of Diversion and trick your opponent into putting a good portion of their anti tank on one side of the board only to redeploy on the other side.

**p5freak**

Or the crawlers would be killed, explode, and hurt your demon prince. I had two crawlers shot from the table, both blew up, inflicting enough mortal wounds to kill two support characters, a chaos lord and a sorcerer.

**Not Online!!!**

BertBert wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

Flock of doom i belief is the name.

Add some minor boni to cultists and a stratagem to improve a roll by 1 for prayers if cultists are around. If i recall correctly.

Of course that would be a completely diffrent Style to your first Suggestion/question and i have no idea what your collection dies or does not entail.

Oh, Cult of Doom, is it?

I've checked that one out, but I don't find the bonuses to be particularly appealing. With disciples around, prayers will already go off 5/6 times and there are a bunch of Stratagems I'd probably rather spend that 1 CP on.
Maybe I'm missing something here, I'm not too deep into the whole vigilus part. Getting back into the game after quite some time, It's difficult enough to make sense of all the synergies concerning legions, stratagems, chaos marks, warlord traits, items and summoning

So far this is what I have available:

- 1 Dark Apostle with Disciples
- 1 MoP
- 1 Greater Possessed
- 10 CSM
- 12 Cultists (more incoming)
- 5 Havocs
- 6 Chosen
- 1 Venomcrawler
- 3 Blood Crushers

i guess you could run:

Dark apostle, with stratagem for 2 prayers, one for -1 to hit and the other for the 6" bubble of 5++.

Mop, with cursed earth and the one to make random mechanics more reliable.

2 x 10 cultists

1 x 30 cultists. .
Those are there to rovide the horde of doom for your DA and thematic fit in with the whole raving lunatic theme.

Then the next would be:

Lord Discordant.

Lord discordant

Sorcerer, warptime, prescience Jumppack

2 x 5 CSM.

1 x 10 Cultists.

3 x blood slaugheterers

Venomcrawler

Venomcrawler.

5 Havocs with Lascannons proeferably.

Granted that is all just a rough estimation without points but hand time Pi should give about 2000 pts

**BertBert**

Not Online!!! wrote:

i guess you could run:

Thanks, that looks doable and thematic. Lord Discordants are just too good to pass them up, I suppose?

**Slayer-Fan123**

BertBert wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

i guess you could run:

Thanks, that looks doable and thematic. Lord Discordants are just too good to pass them up, I suppose?

Disco Lords hive a better aura to the Venomcrawlers anyway.

**Not Online!!!**

BertBert wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

i guess you could run:

Thanks, that looks doable and thematic. Lord Discordants are just too good to pass them up, I suppose?

Yes and also daemonic and also high priority targets.

**H.B.M.C.**

Do Greater Possessed buffs stack?

**Eldarain**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do Greater Possessed buffs stack?

Not with other Greater Possessed auras no.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Nah that'd be too broken that makes sense

**Reivax26**

Where does it say they don't stack?

**Eldarain**

Reivax26 wrote:
Where does it say they don't stack?

The ability itself says you get the benefit if you are in range of any models that are projecting it. So 1 or 10 Greater Possessed wouldn't make a difference to any one unit nearby.