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The Delaques are very nice if somewhat different to my expectations. I think my favourite thing about all the new models is that they change the setting in two major ways. Firstly, the new ones are effectively paramilitary forces rather than gang warfare. Secondly, gangs like Goliath and Delaque are effectively abhumans.

If forced to choose between them, I prefer the old metals and prefer the notion of low down gang warfare. But with the new Necromunda I can venture into the also very interesting notion of paramilitary warfare with an abhuman twist.
Part of me wishes they just remained faithful to the old aesthetic with the new models but it is arguably better that now there are two distinct aesthetics to choose from.

I like these Delaque miniatures, but I'm not sure if I'd call them proper "Delaque"... they're kinda on the line. For Necromunda there is a certain amount of that 70's - 80's street gang and punk aesthetic and vibe for many of the gangs. Van Saar were partially defined by being outside that, Delaque however were definitely part of that prevailing street gang aesthetic theme. These minis are firmly outside that and closer to the advanced future aesthetic of Van Saar than the rest. They feel more professional and well funded, less street gang and more large scale organized crime. Maybe thats better keeping to how they operate but its a distinct visual shift. I kinda want to put fedoras on them.

I wonder if Heresy's trench coat gang was a factor in the redesign.

http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=15

The teaser concept art clearly had the open coat that people wanted. But they probably can't do it because sprue space limitation.

I prefer the handgun size in the concept. The models turned out kinda comical. They dont look like they would be able to even handle the kickback from those guns. I hope they all are psykers cause they don't look like theyd stand a chance against the other gangs. Bummed the male rebreather head from the concept also didn't make it into the kit. I need to see the sprues before making final judgement on these guys.

I must admit that, despite the silenced weapons and what looks to be a sniper rifle, the lack of web guns is a (minor) disappointment.

The pimp cane makes up for it though...

 zedmeister wrote:
I must admit that, despite the silenced weapons and what looks to be a sniper rifle, the lack of web guns is a (minor) disappointment.

The pimp cane makes up for it though...

There's definitely a web pistol on one guys coat.

Yeah, 2 of them have webbers on their hips.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/06/6th-nov-arbitrators-guidebook-part-7-a-smorgasbord-of-choicegw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-3/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Remember you don't have to use everything folks...….

So you can tweak things to make it more interesting? You'll need to tweak the game just to get it going! The necessity of tweaking will be prominent before the first game is over.

Those Delaque look fantastic. Never was a fan of the old ones, they sat down in the sump with Goliath for me. These though? These look uniquely 40k (which is to say they rip of a bunch of aesthetic style from Dark City to Lynch's Dune, but in a way that feels like a pleasant homage rather than a straight copy). They're nice enough that I may actually branch out this time around and pick up more than one gang.

I'm also glad that just holding off has paid off and I don't have to sweat all the little supplements or the boxed set. Looks like I can tell my group the wait is over, Necromunda is finally back!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
They're nice enough that I may actually branch out this time around and pick up more than one gang.

I've bought each and every gang released so far, including stuff for the White Dwarf gangs. I'll be getting these, too. Blood Bowl hasn't done this for me and I like that game even more.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

I'm also glad that just holding off has paid off and I don't have to sweat all the little supplements or the boxed set. Looks like I can tell my group the wait is over, Necromunda is finally back!

Yes, the early access soon to be over.

 Thargrim wrote:
I prefer the handgun size in the concept. The models turned out kinda comical. They dont look like they would be able to even handle the kickback from those guns. I hope they all are psykers cause they don't look like theyd stand a chance against the other gangs. Bummed the male rebreather head from the concept also didn't make it into the kit. I need to see the sprues before making final judgement on these guys.

The guns don't look any more out of scale than the ones every other 40k model is waving around, to me. It's just one of those things, like large heads and hands, that most wargaming models tend to have.

Maybe the silencers are separate pieces, a bit like how the Van Saar guns are multi-piece.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I prefer the handgun size in the concept. The models turned out kinda comical. They dont look like they would be able to even handle the kickback from those guns. I hope they all are psykers cause they don't look like theyd stand a chance against the other gangs. Bummed the male rebreather head from the concept also didn't make it into the kit. I need to see the sprues before making final judgement on these guys.

The guns don't look any more out of scale than the ones every other 40k model is waving around, to me. It's just one of those things, like large heads and hands, that most wargaming models tend to have.

Except Corvus Belli, Wyrd, Warcradle, Para Bellum... I could go on but point is there are plenty on manufacturers who are more than capable to producing incredible minis with wonderful designs and _in proportion_ features.

Personally, I think they are okay models overall but the enormously out of proportion guns are the biggest let down especially comparing to the concept art.

I like the Delaque models. I'll buy a box for my Inquisition.

 Davidian wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I prefer the handgun size in the concept. The models turned out kinda comical. They dont look like they would be able to even handle the kickback from those guns. I hope they all are psykers cause they don't look like theyd stand a chance against the other gangs. Bummed the male rebreather head from the concept also didn't make it into the kit. I need to see the sprues before making final judgement on these guys.

The guns don't look any more out of scale than the ones every other 40k model is waving around, to me. It's just one of those things, like large heads and hands, that most wargaming models tend to have.

Except Corvus Belli, Wyrd, Warcradle, Para Bellum... I could go on but point is there are plenty on manufacturers who are more than capable to producing incredible minis with wonderful designs and _in proportion_ features.

Personally, I think they are okay models overall but the enormously out of proportion guns are the biggest let down especially comparing to the concept art.

The word you're looking for is willing, not capable. GW has an established style and like it or not (I prefer more realistic proportions myself), they'll keep doing oversized and disproportionate stuff that fits with their style and existing range.

 Davidian wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I prefer the handgun size in the concept. The models turned out kinda comical. They dont look like they would be able to even handle the kickback from those guns. I hope they all are psykers cause they don't look like theyd stand a chance against the other gangs. Bummed the male rebreather head from the concept also didn't make it into the kit. I need to see the sprues before making final judgement on these guys.

The guns don't look any more out of scale than the ones every other 40k model is waving around, to me. It's just one of those things, like large heads and hands, that most wargaming models tend to have.

Except Corvus Belli, Wyrd, Warcradle, Para Bellum... I could go on but point is there are plenty on manufacturers who are more than capable to producing incredible minis with wonderful designs and _in proportion_ features.

Corvus belli have their own problems with proportions, and I think the weapons and heads are only less distorted, not "accurate". But that doesn't really matter; by the rest of the range those guns aren't out of proportion; they're just long because of the silencers.

If they made them "accurate", people would complain that they're armed with ridiculously small guns, and look wimpy compared to the other gangs.

Its also harder to do smaller detail in hard plastic compared to metal miniatures. Even though GWs plastic is some of the best compared to others its still not quiet there yet compared to metal and resin.
The proportions are starting to change a little now though but at the same time the miniatures are getting bigger.

Painting Infnity models is a huge pain in the ass with their tiny appendages and weapons. There’s a reason for heroic scale after all. I think you need to go to 40mm before true scale becomes worth it. Also one of the reasons that GW has increased scale along with slowly correcting proportions. Also, what looks good in a photo blown up on a screen is very different to what looks good when held in the hand. I feel that sometimes people are so used to just looking at 3x actual size minis painted by Angel Giraldez that they forget what’s actually practical for most gamers out there.

 Mymearan wrote:
Painting Infnity models is a huge pain in the ass with their tiny appendages and weapons. There’s a reason for heroic scale after all. I think you need to go to 40mm before true scale becomes worth it. Also one of the reasons that GW has increased scale along with slowly correcting proportions. Also, what looks good in a photo blown up on a screen is very different to what looks good when held in the hand. I feel that sometimes people are so used to just looking at 3x actual size minis painted by Angel Giraldez that they forget what’s actually practical for most gamers out there.

Thats the primary reason I don't play infinity even when I live in his "capital city" (As Nottingham is to GW). I'm a very bad painter, and I'm bad at paiting space marines with their lack of details and disproportionated limbs... I tremble with the mere idea of trying to paint any infinity miniature.

With all the detail on the Infinity miniatures, tidy base coats and washes will work excellently.

How soon after the reveal have the new gangs been hitting?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
How soon after the reveal have the new gangs been hitting?

Seems like at least a month, I'd expect delaque to release alongside the bb undead in the first week of december...I think it was.

I really hope the compiled books will turn out good as the N17 game is amazing and deserves clear rules. However my hopes are low given thei track record, and especially as there have been no (?) rumors of FW/GW contacting Yaktribe, Dakka-Baxx or other Necro clusters/rules ninjas for help with proof-reading. A shame really - and an opportunity missed.

And now something slightly off-topic (sorry):
I would like to recommend buying/reading the new Blck Library publication ”Wanted: Dead”.
Set in Necromunda the book (full of dirty deeds - and also dirt cheap!) follows an Escher gang.
I got it tonight at release (as an ebook, after midnight) and read it in one go. Really well written apart from a few minor flaws (widespread knowledge about Space Marines, a lesbian cliché romance and unrealistic combat full of time consuming dialogue).
Buy it to support Necromunda. Highly recommended!

Widespread knowledge about Space Marines, depending on the specific knowledge, is forgivable for the denizens of Necromunda.

After all, the Imperial Fists maintain a Chapter recruitment keep in Hive Primus, so the locals should be aware of the Marine presence and regular sweeps for recruits.

What do you call widespread Marines knowledge ?
We need more info to judge
And yeah, the guns are totally out of proportion

I've got the books coming in tomorrow, fingers crossed, so I'll give it a read and see what it's all about, then if I don't forget return to give a spoiler-free reply.

You mean the Compendium?

A Necromunda themed novella that's gone on sale last Saturday.