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2018/03/07 23:17:17
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
I've been watching the Tau previews, and nothing they have seems too over the top. Like the riptide looks good, but you probably won't be using more than 1 or 2 because the stratagem for them is pretty clutch. Cutting back on Commander spam, means that even with the rest of the codex, commanders are one of the only units worth spamming. They are also getting points reductions as opposed to an overhaul of their mechanics like marker lights.
My thought is the Tau Codex will will be greeted with a resounding meh from the competitive scene. They will do fine in casual metas but it will be rare to see them monolist within the top few tables in big GTs. Haters will make it sound like the sky is falling.
I mention this because we are not going the route of the tau, they stated we are in for significant changes, not point reductions and tweaks here and there. So I wouldn't read too much into the tau release for what we can look forward to.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
2018/03/08 02:00:13
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
- Cryptek has fly, movement 10”, no Chronometron but instead heals for d3
- Amazing relics
- 2 extremely good stratagems
- 6 usable stratagems
- Doomsday Ark is gonna have d6 shots
- Possibility of the Lychguard with shields getting a 3++
- As for the Monolith, all I’ve heard is that all of our stuff is more usable
Random comments of "I know someone who has the codex" from an unknown reddit user are not exactly something I'd put a lot of stock in.
I can verify the rumors, they're taken from a discord channel that I frequent. We weren't supposed to go spreading it around but I guess the cat's out of the bag.
The one thing I'm not sure on is the 3++, don't remember that ever being mentioned.
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2018/03/08 02:06:43
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Our leaker has been pretty cagey about stuff, more just revealing what he thinks is good in the codex rather than what exactly stuff in the codex does. Other than what was already in that reddit post the only other thing I can say is that tomb blades are supposed to be REALLY good.
2018/03/08 02:15:24
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
epaemil wrote: So how busted would it be if Necrons never had to roll morale checks? It seems weird for them to flee since they're mostly braindead.
Not fleeing, phasing out. Its a 3rd ed necron thing.
Necrons were never fearless across the board. Even back then.
I think the army-wide phase out works much better than a few here and there run away because their friends were shot up (but could come back shortly). Some higher-ranked individual looks at the battle, says 'no, not going well', and then the army evaporates. But up to that point, they are immune. It would be nice, fitting, and different from the other armies.
2018/03/08 03:55:23
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
The monolith will live and die by it's eternity gate, if that's useful, the monolith is useful, if it isn't the monolith better be a bargain or else it will continue collecting dust. It can't stay land raider expensive unless it's a lynchpin unit, because there will always be better ways to spend those points.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
2018/03/08 05:30:17
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
I want usable Lychguard, and a Monolith worth taking. I haven't used the poor thing in ages.
Them getting a 3++ would be fantastic. About time for their price.
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2018/03/08 05:34:54
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Grimgold wrote: they stated we are in for significant changes, not point reductions and tweaks here and there.
Who is this "they"?
Like, was it something official I'm just not remembering?
Arachnofiend wrote: I can verify the rumors, they're taken from a discord channel that I frequent.
But is that really something anyone can verify without showing proof of it?
I mean, I can go on twitch and say I have an advanced version of the Ork codex, but unless I can back it up with proof anything I say should just be regarded as unsubstantiated rumor.
2018/03/08 05:50:21
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
epaemil wrote: So how busted would it be if Necrons never had to roll morale checks? It seems weird for them to flee since they're mostly braindead.
Not fleeing, phasing out. Its a 3rd ed necron thing.
Necrons were never fearless across the board. Even back then.
I think the army-wide phase out works much better than a few here and there run away because their friends were shot up (but could come back shortly). Some higher-ranked individual looks at the battle, says 'no, not going well', and then the army evaporates. But up to that point, they are immune. It would be nice, fitting, and different from the other armies.
Oh hell no. I played that edition, and it SUCKS when your opponent basically gets a 25% handicap to table you.
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Grimgold wrote: The monolith will live and die by it's eternity gate, if that's useful, the monolith is useful, if it isn't the monolith better be a bargain or else it will continue collecting dust. It can't stay land raider expensive unless it's a lynchpin unit, because there will always be better ways to spend those points.
The monolith's problem has always been trying to make it do too many things, edition after edition. By the time the points are worked out, it's simply too expensive for any of those things.
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2018/03/08 06:46:31
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Tis the season for wild speculation, so I'd say,
As far as ways to make the Monolith useful, perhaps a strategem where you can land one on an enemy unit (unit takes D6 mw).
2018/03/08 08:49:58
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Well i still see one problem. Even if we get the most amazing stratagems in the world , we still have nearly no CP to spent and our cheapest troop is 12ppm
As for the Mono its hard , right now hes not even remotely playable , i dont even know if i would him play if he was half the price since his output is terrible and the gate rule is useless as hell
2018/03/08 09:43:44
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Yeah there's a few issues I have with the Monolith. If fixed, I'd pick one up.
Right now it's too expensive.
It should go to Toughness 10 and have a 2+ Save or it should get an Invuln Save/Quantum Shielding/both
Right now it can only deepstrike 12" away from enemy units. Improve that to 9"
It should be able to suck in your friendly units and return them to the Tomb World, so they can redeploy next turn.
The Portal of Exile should be more of a threat. Perhaps you roll for it if enemies start or finish a charge within 3" of the model.
The firepower of it is not the main issue, but if I had to suggest a reasonable improvement it would be to either improve the AP on the Particle Whip from -2 to -3 or have it do 3 Damage Flat, not D3.
2018/03/08 10:12:36
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Balance is the problem.
If they make it too overpowered people will complain.
If they make it too underpowered people will complain.
But I do agree that the most iconic Necron unit should definitely be something you WANT to field.
2018/03/08 10:38:08
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Indeed, balance is an issue. With certain tweaks the Monolith could be a pretty good unit if the price is right. But like Skoffs said. If it's too good people will complain and if it stays the same or only gets a slight boost people will complain
If I may Skoffs, what would you consider as a "balanced" Monolith? I think a 2+ save with a 6 FnP rather then QS would work quite well for the Monolith but that's just me. I also think it's Gauss weapons should have a 1-2 CP Stratgem to change their typing from Heavy 3 to Rapid fire 3. While it would seem a bit much we would be spending valuable CPs to make it happen which could make my suggestion "balanced".
Oh for sure. It needs to be balanced so I'm not going crazy with my expectations for changes to it. Currently it's lacking in firepower, survivability or utility. And it costs about the same as Robute Gulliman.
Personally one thing that will always put me off buying one is actually figuring out how to transport it lol
2018/03/08 10:55:28
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Well the Codex has to fix a lot of things , more than for eldar or nids , since we were by far worse in the only index comparisson.
Maybe even THE worst index with not even a single viable build.
The Mono is one thing , the lack of overall good options is another one i think.
2018/03/08 15:00:15
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
dapperbandit wrote: Oh for sure. It needs to be balanced so I'm not going crazy with my expectations for changes to it. Currently it's lacking in firepower, survivability or utility. And it costs about the same as Robute Gulliman.
Personally one thing that will always put me off buying one is actually figuring out how to transport it lol
It only really lacks in firepower based on it's points cost being prohibitive. The fact that the Particle Whip is straight 6 shots is actually something of boost over other similar units in the indexes, but with codex releases that high points cost has put the Monolith in a lower tier for sure. A major points reduction should be considered critical to get these iconic models back on the table but I'm also of the mindset that only a slight boost is needed beyond that to make this a worthwhile unit.
2018/03/09 07:43:23
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Given the recent Regimental Standard comments about Dark Stone etc. dampening/enhancing psychic energy, I’m guessing that could feature prominently in our new Codex.
2018/03/09 10:35:50
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Yeah, the strategems and relics from the Tau codex leak seem to play to both their Strengths and their Weaknesses while complying with the fluff.
So I expect that there will be at least one option to expand our ability to deny psychic powers.
Another one of our weaknesses is that it's harder for Necrons to get a lot of CP. We've seen in other Codexes the opportunity for armies to gain back CP. I can imagine characters like Imhotekh the "Hyperlogical Strategist" or Nemesor Zahndrekh getting the ability to regain CP or start with more.
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2018/03/09 16:42:16
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
One of my local GW managers was saying necrons *should* have a codex this month, supposedly right after Tau. To that end, I've started building them up as my last army, so that I have all 3 major factions covered.
2018/03/09 17:06:41
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Bendhotep wrote: One of my local GW managers was saying necrons *should* have a codex this month, supposedly right after Tau. To that end, I've started building them up as my last army, so that I have all 3 major factions covered.
Makes sense. They did just reveal Forgebane.
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2020/01/09 17:15:10
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Tau go for preorder tomorrow. We haven't heard anything about preorders yet, but there are two preorder windows (17th or 24th) to get a Codex "this month". We'll know this Sunday if we're getting it sooner or later.
2018/03/09 20:37:27
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
My store manager said he didn't expect them this month since there was 0 preview in the White dwarf. And if it's the end of this month some preview is to be expected.
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2018/03/09 21:13:51
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
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