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It's very unlikely that we get new units. Necrons do have plenty of units to chose from, if only GW makes a good internal balance in the codex, then we will have plenty to choose from.

There seems to be a push for Necrons, first "major changes" in the codex, then Necron cardboard tokens and now a collecting box. I can't belive I'm this excited for a Space marine game (well, not really) and a new Cryptek (yes, really).

When thinking about it, it's a bad omen for the codex. Are we sure that Matt Ward isn't writing the fluff?

So I have a tactics question; presuming the rules for Anrakyr the Traveler don't change too much in the Codex this is and will remain relevant.

I want to take Anrakyr the Traveler and use him to beef up the close combat aspect of my army by giving them +1 attack. Should Anrakyr give +1 attack to my 10 Lychguard with Warscythes or my 10 Triarch Praetorians with Particle Casters and Voidblades?

As per the Errata, each Praetorian model now makes three attacks with the Voidblade and pairing them with The Traveler bumps that to four attacks. Anrakyr's version of My Will Be Done doesn't use the <DYNASTY> codeword, so I can use MWBD on Praetorians too.

So the question is, would I rather have:

30 Strength 7, AP-4 Damage 2 attacks, hitting on 2's.

40 Strength 5, AP-3, Damage 1 attacks hitting on 2's, with the Particle Caster pistol shots on the side?

I think the Lychguard will obviously do better big targets with a 3+ save or worse. While the Praetorians will do better against hordes and units with an Invulnerable save.

There's a big issue to trying to stick Anrakyr with Praets:
How's he going to keep up with them?

 skoffs wrote:
There's a big issue to trying to stick Anrakyr with Praets:
How's he going to keep up with them?

This will depend largely on what you're up against.

Daemons, cc tyranids, and deathguard will come to you, and anrakyr should be within buffing distance when he needs to.

Otherwise if you're the hunter and not the huntee , you could veil him up with another HQ or in s gjort ark, but thats getting abit pricey and maybe I

For damage output you should try out dice-hammer.com that I link too in my signature. Click Ranged to toggle to Melee and input the stats. It supports both MWBD and +1 A with the voidblade . But it can be a tad confusing with all the knobs and levers.


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Edit 2 : it also supports shooting pistols in the shooting phase ( adds it to the Melee damage, optional of course)

 skoffs wrote:
There's a big issue to trying to stick Anrakyr with Praets:
How's he going to keep up with them?

I'd thought about that. I suppose it depends on the situation, he could be advanced alongside them which is risky, the Praetorians could not use their full movement range which is somewhat wasteful, or I could Veil of Darkness Anrakyr in with another unit in tow, but then the question remains, why not just put him with the Lychguard? I guess I just like the idea of Praetorians with 4 attacks hitting on 2's but achieving that might involve risk or compromise.

I'm so confused as to why they've been so quiet about the Necrons codex. I feel like all of the other codexes were hyped up for weeks before release and got weekly updates with new rules teasers. We're getting nothing for Necrons. Just baffles me, especially with this new direction GW seems to be going towards and making Necrons a central bad guy in upcoming sets.

 SHADOWSTRIKE1 wrote:
I'm so confused as to why they've been so quiet about the Necrons codex. I feel like all of the other codexes were hyped up for weeks before release and got weekly updates with new rules teasers. We're getting nothing for Necrons. Just baffles me, especially with this new direction GW seems to be going towards and making Necrons a central bad guy in upcoming sets.

Because they're advertising Tau now. It makes no sense to go "yeah, those Tau guys are cool and they have a codex coming up...but check out those murderbots, they are awesome!"
Its just not logical to go into detail about another product line when you are trying to sell one, from a marketing perspective.

 Grimgold wrote:


The Flesh eater courts already did that, and it worked pretty well for them so it's not surprising to see the rest of death get that rule. It gave you a way to reliably get units back, and a manner in which it can be bypassed (kill the heroes). However I'm not confident it would work so well for necrons, for one killing characters outside of CC takes a veto proof act of congress, where as it's not so bad in AoS. Second it doesn't help with wiped out units, which is the catch 22 of current RP.

Yeah, like I said I don't think it's 100% going to happen, but I don't think it's unlikely either. Harder to kill Characters would offset the lack of Gravesites that Death get. As for wiped units, well that'll always be a downside but we'll see what points look like and other defensive buffs. If there's a "always counts as being in Cover" or "outside of 12 inches -1 to hit" Dynasty, that alone would help keep units from getting wiped. I'm fairly certain we'll also see some point decreases.

So how busted would it be if Necrons never had to roll morale checks? It seems weird for them to flee since they're mostly braindead.

Failing moral isn't just 'run away from fear', it can be seen as a tactical retreat, a misunderstanding of orders, or something similar. I don't see us just ignoring moral, though I could see a dynasty with that ability, or a new aura ability, or something similar. But not just flat -always ignore-.

Azuza001 wrote:
Failing moral isn't just 'run away from fear', it can be seen as a tactical retreat, a misunderstanding of orders, or something similar. I don't see us just ignoring moral, though I could see a dynasty with that ability, or a new aura ability, or something similar. But not just flat -always ignore-.

Maybe something like "half the models that should flee from the failed morale" ?

I can easily see one Necron Dynasty getting the same rules as Iyanden, i.e. can only ever loose 1 model from failed morale.

Azuza001 wrote:
Failing moral isn't just 'run away from fear', it can be seen as a tactical retreat, a misunderstanding of orders, or something similar. I don't see us just ignoring moral, though I could see a dynasty with that ability, or a new aura ability, or something similar. But not just flat -always ignore-.

Ive seen that argument lots of times and it still isn't true, otherwise nothing would be immune as EVERYTHING can do that, and tactical retreats are by choice, not a failiure. Morale IS just running away, which is why our rank and file at least should be immune.

1) They are mindless automatons, so lack the ability to feel fear.
2) Even if they could they are immortal and self repairing.

In short by what ever way you try to justify immunity to morale, nothing has a better claim to it than Necrons, and if they aren't for some reason such as it also includes tactical retreat (even though tactical means by decision, which a failed dice isn't) then nothing else should be for the same reason.

Yeah I don't personally buy the "tactical retreat" clause for a failed morale check either. They aren't autonomous enough for that, any tactical withdrawal would have to be at the command of a Lord or Overlord.

I suppose it's just a question of balance. Would it be broken if a unit of 20 warriors could be reduced to a single model and be capable of resurrecting all 19 without any morale checks? Arguably it would.

However I think it could be implemented by giving Necron Lords an aura within which Necron units cannot fail morale checks. It makes more sense and gives Necron lords a useful place on the battlefield besides "cheap HQ choice"

epaemil wrote:
So how busted would it be if Necrons never had to roll morale checks? It seems weird for them to flee since they're mostly braindead.

Not fleeing, phasing out. Its a 3rd ed necron thing.
Necrons were never fearless across the board. Even back then.

Personally I don't want to see a return of the "armies effectively immune to morale" that plagued earlier editions. It's bad enough that small squads effectively become immune to morale since you need to kill more models than are in the unit to give them a chance of failing the check.

I don't see what the problem there is. I mean, if you killed more models than what are in the squad, does it matter if they die from morale?
This idea that MSU counters morale, so MSU is optimal perplexes me because of that. MSU don't take morale. So what? Still dead.

And besides, with LD10 necrons are already pretty hard to kill with morale. You have to kill at least 5 necrons in a unit in a single turn in order to get a morale kill.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't see what the problem there is. I mean, if you killed more models than what are in the squad, does it matter if they die from morale?
This idea that MSU counters morale, so MSU is optimal perplexes me because of that. MSU don't take morale. So what? Still dead.

And besides, with LD10 necrons are already pretty hard to kill with morale. You have to kill at least 5 necrons in a unit in a single turn in order to get a morale kill.

Well the problem right now is:

1: blob of 20 Warriors gets alpha-striked and hosed down, maybe 3-2 models remain.

2: now have to use Insane Courage strategem if i want to give them a chance of reanimating next turn.

Meanwhile, other horde races have Mob Rule/Breakin headz, Synapse etc. The only one who doesnt get much morale-wise are Chaos Deamons.

Id like to see the nessecity of Insane Courage be (partially) replaced by a Dynasty trait or Lord.

Doctoralex wrote:


Meanwhile, other horde races have Mob Rule/Breakin headz, Synapse etc. The only one who doesnt get much morale-wise are Chaos Deamons.

Necrons are not a "horde race", so I don't really see how this matters.

If a Khorne Berzerker or a Scarab Occult Terminator can "flee", then so can a Necron Warrior.

Necrons are already the most resilient army when it comes to morale (out of those few who are not immune ofc) due to armywide Ld10.
5 man units of Deathmarks/Lychguard/Immortals etc. are all essentially immune to morale.

 MinscS2 wrote:

Doctoralex wrote:


Meanwhile, other horde races have Mob Rule/Breakin headz, Synapse etc. The only one who doesnt get much morale-wise are Chaos Deamons.

Necrons are not a "horde race", so I don't really see how this matters.

If a Khorne Berzerker or a Scarab Occult Terminator can "flee", then so can a Necron Warrior.

Necrons are already the most resilient army when it comes to morale (out of those few who are not immune ofc) due to armywide Ld10.
5 man units of Deathmarks/Lychguard/Immortals etc. are all essentially immune to morale.

So euhm.... 2x 20 Warriors, buffed by Illuminor Szeras and backed up by a Ghost Ark is not a horde army?

or 2x 20 Flayed ones, deep striking in while a Cryptek uses Veil of Darkness to get Imothek the Stormlord/Arankyr the Traveller close to them? Also not a horde army?


I think Necrons can be played as both an elite and a horde army. Horde is simply not viable right now since a blob can easily take +15 casualties. And as I mentioned before, other horde armies have ways of negating morale in such a situation while 'Crons don't. On top of that, loses from morale hurt double, since you can't reanimate those models anymore.

Hordearmy implies something about price too, I don't think Flayed Ones qualify with their point price tag, even if you spend all your points to buy a bunch of them. Even warriors at 12pt are probably border line (though I don't know what Genestealers/Gaunts/Boyz/daemon things/ costs)

Doctoralex wrote:

So euhm.... 2x 20 Warriors, buffed by Illuminor Szeras and backed up by a Ghost Ark is not a horde army?

or 2x 20 Flayed ones, deep striking in while a Cryptek uses Veil of Darkness to get Imothek the Stormlord/Arankyr the Traveller close to them? Also not a horde army?

40 models is not even close to a horde, no.

Doctoralex wrote:

 MinscS2 wrote:

Doctoralex wrote:


Meanwhile, other horde races have Mob Rule/Breakin headz, Synapse etc. The only one who doesnt get much morale-wise are Chaos Deamons.

Necrons are not a "horde race", so I don't really see how this matters.

If a Khorne Berzerker or a Scarab Occult Terminator can "flee", then so can a Necron Warrior.

Necrons are already the most resilient army when it comes to morale (out of those few who are not immune ofc) due to armywide Ld10.
5 man units of Deathmarks/Lychguard/Immortals etc. are all essentially immune to morale.

So euhm.... 2x 20 Warriors, buffed by Illuminor Szeras and backed up by a Ghost Ark is not a horde army?

.

No. Come back when its a 100 models under 1k points. Something Orks, IG and nids can do no problem with ~400+ points left to spare.

Hordes are really about having low points cost per model. You could field a horde of terminators if you were having a big enough battle... given our cheapest troop is 12 points, I don't think that counts as horde (rule of thumb maybe <8ppm troops for a real horde).

If I had a 20-30 Warrior squad and 2-3 models remain at the end of the enemys turn I would be happy to pay for Insane Bravery as I have defeated their attempt to destroy the unit and can look forward to a great RP session (is possible even I would throw in the Orb) undoing all their efforts.

Looking at all the treats Tau are getting, I think we can sit back and enjoy when our codex drops

https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/comments/824guz/40k_boxed_set_with_necrons/dv7u2p5/

- Cryptek has fly, movement 10”, no Chronometron but instead heals for d3
- Amazing relics
- 2 extremely good stratagems
- 6 usable stratagems
- Doomsday Ark is gonna have d6 shots
- Possibility of the Lychguard with shields getting a 3++
- As for the Monolith, all I’ve heard is that all of our stuff is more usable

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/comments/824guz/40k_boxed_set_with_necrons/dv7u2p5/

Spoiler:

- Cryptek has fly, movement 10”, no Chronometron but instead heals for d3
- Amazing relics
- 2 extremely good stratagems
- 6 usable stratagems
- Doomsday Ark is gonna have d6 shots
- Possibility of the Lychguard with shields getting a 3++
- As for the Monolith, all I’ve heard is that all of our stuff is more usable

Random comments of "I know someone who has the codex" from an unknown reddit user are not exactly something I'd put a lot of stock in.

@ Skoff - ditto.

But if it is reliable~....I hope from what I just read from moon there that its a flying variant on cryptek and there's still a ground variant that can take a chronometron.

If our army loses the chrono entirely i'll be very sad.

If it's just restricted to certain named characters I might still be able to work with that.

The "leaks" don't seem too out of line from changes we might expect, but I'm with skoffs on this one. Grain of salt.


Also, someone needs to fire their web designer for using text on that background. Who can even read that?

Those aren't leaks. Leaks have something to back themselves up with.
We're still in unsubstantiated rumor town.