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**BrianDavion**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:

Spoiler:

Someone painted up the model using the GW tutorial and I think it came out nicely.

That image is taken from the GW video.

You can rescale that image so that it appears the size of an actual model, so if you're viewing this on a 96 dpi screen which is pretty typical (or a screen scaled to be equivalent to 96 dpi) this is how big the model is in reality...

Many years ago (pre-Dakka) I had some pics of my models on the internet, and one day I showed up to the club and a friend saw the models in person that he'd seen on the internet and commented that they looked heaps better in person and the flaws that were obvious in the photos or blends that looked rough in the photos weren't noticeable on the table top. It made me realise if I'm not painting for a competition it's fine to use stuff that maybe doesn't look great in photos.

yeah I can belive it, I'll paint a mini that looks great, take a picture and suddenly the flaws are massivly apparent

**No One Important**

Shame the Dark Angel Wing rules don't stack on units. Just an hour or so before the leak I had done the math and realized that I could use Ironwing Tactical Squads with Stormwing Centurions for all my anti-tank needs (assuming my opponent only brought rhinos and land speeders and conveniently parked them backwards, but I was still excited about fury of the legioning 20 rerollable 2+ to hit bolters on a moderately up-armored taxi).
The Ironwing part wasn't even necessary, but it's the principle of the thing that matters. No point being silly if I can't be super silly.

**xttz**

Marshal Loss wrote:
Leaks ahoy. Some great stuff, and some less than great stuff (e.g. confirmation of no jump packs for Palatines, Reavers, etc)

What are the odds we see a separate Horus Ascended model in the near future, now they've run out of Primarchs to do?

**Marshal Loss**

xttz wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
Leaks ahoy. Some great stuff, and some less than great stuff (e.g. confirmation of no jump packs for Palatines, Reavers, etc)

What are the odds we see a separate Horus Ascended model in the near future, now they've run out of Primarchs to do?

Pretty much guaranteed. It was always FW's plan to do alternate sculpts for various Primarchs, and the WHC article accompanying the HH2.0 trailer explicitly singled out how Horus in the trailer look different from the model they currently sold. It'll happen - maybe timed to accompany the final Siege novel, whenever that is. There were ideas floated for a Vengeful Spirit diorama at HH Weekenders in years gone by

**Snrub**

xttz wrote:
What are the odds we see a separate Horus Ascended model in the near future, now they've run out of Primarchs to do?

If I recall correctly, there was some talk of daemon primarchs being on a to-do list at one of the Heresy Weekends/Games Days/etc a few years ago*. Pretty sure it was before Alan Bligh died though, so who knows how/if things might have changed after that. If they are still in the pipeline then I suppose a juiced up Horus wouldn't be off the cards either.

*I could well be misremembering this. It might have been wishlisting/speculation.

**RazorEdge**

When Fulgrim was released, they talked about making "corrupted" Versions of the Primarchs.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Snrub wrote:
xttz wrote:
What are the odds we see a separate Horus Ascended model in the near future, now they've run out of Primarchs to do?
If I recall correctly, there was some talk of daemon primarchs being on a to-do list at one of the Heresy Weekends/Games Days/etc a few years ago*. Pretty sure it was before Alan Bligh died though, so who knows how/if things might have changed after that. If they are still in the pipeline then I suppose a juiced up Horus wouldn't be off the cards either.

*I could well be misremembering this. It might have been wishlisting/speculation.

Waaaay back when HH first launched in 2012. However, since then we’ve received Daemon Primarchs in 40K, so it may well be that idea was transferred over.

**Boringstuff**

Marshal Loss wrote:
Leaks ahoy. Some great stuff, and some less than great stuff (e.g. confirmation of no jump packs for Palatines, Reavers, etc)

Iron warriors losing one of their three unique units. ;(

Obviously they didn't leak everything, but now exactly hopeful.

**xttz**

Wonder if Angron's release will be tied into both 30k and 40k. It Would help split up the initial spike of new WE models needed for 40k if that big Primarch kit was released for Heresy.

**GaroRobe**

Was there any talk of daemon primarch rules in the HH? Mortarion was a daemon by the time of the Seige, as was Fulgrim, Angron. The former has a model, so maybe they could tie it all together

**Gert**

I think it was only mentioned that the HH team at some point would like to do it.

**Erren**

Jaghatai Khan still needs a model with Jetbike. After that I could definitely see a Horus Ascended.

**Tannhauser42**

Sadly, they did rule out a headless zombie Ferrus Manus.

**Gert**

TBF Horus Ascended is like the Emperor. A cool-looking model but so powerful that it wouldn't work in-game or it would be so toned down it wouldn't be worth it.

**ImAGeek**

Gert wrote:
TBF Horus Ascended is like the Emperor. A cool-looking model but so powerful that it wouldn't work in-game or it would be so toned down it wouldn't be worth it.

They definitely had plans to do the Emperor. He was referenced in the Custodes rules.

**Gert**

Yeah, I remember that and I did wonder how FW would even make it work. He's more powerful than all the Primarchs, and when Magnus came out he was insanely good. So the Emperor would have to be either really expensive or toned down to a point where He wasn't represented well. Either way a generally unusable unit especially considering Custodes are already a very pricey army list.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Either way, It would be strange if we never saw a model of the Emps. Even as a one-off collectible.

**Billicus**

They can make him like 6000 points if they want, it's their game - there's no rule saying he needs to have a place in the 2-3k club meta.

**Nevelon**

Billicus wrote:
They can make him like 6000 points if they want, it's their game - there's no rule saying he needs to have a place in the 2-3k club meta.

Exactly. They have rules and models for full-on titans. You are not going to see those at a random pick up game at the FlGS, but when the tables get pushed together for a mega battle, they can show up and have their place.

The Emperor should be similar.

**Agamemnon2**

BrianDavion wrote:

personaly I think if they intended heavy kitbashing they would have made them much more minimalist. early primaris marines where designed fairly minimalist for just that purpose

I find that both funny and sad, since I've seen far fewer Primaris kitbashes or conversions than was the norm for marine armies 10-20 years ago. It's something people don't seem to have an interest in anymore.

**Boringstuff**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Sadly, they did rule out a headless zombie Ferrus Manus.

Lmao.

**Gert**

Billicus wrote:
They can make him like 6000 points if they want, it's their game - there's no rule saying he needs to have a place in the 2-3k club meta.

Not sure where "club meta" comes into play here chief. It's more to do with the fact the Emperor would be unbeatable because with Him it's not hyperbole.

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Nevelon wrote:
Exactly. They have rules and models for full-on titans. You are not going to see those at a random pick up game at the FlGS, but when the tables get pushed together for a mega battle, they can show up and have their place.

The Emperor should be similar.

Who said anything about pick-up games? I'm talking about the Emperor being too powerful to be represented in-game at all.

**Nevelon**

Gert wrote:
Billicus wrote:
They can make him like 6000 points if they want, it's their game - there's no rule saying he needs to have a place in the 2-3k club meta.

Not sure where "club meta" comes into play here chief. It's more to do with the fact the Emperor would be unbeatable because with Him it's not hyperbole.

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Nevelon wrote:
Exactly. They have rules and models for full-on titans. You are not going to see those at a random pick up game at the FlGS, but when the tables get pushed together for a mega battle, they can show up and have their place.

The Emperor should be similar.

Who said anything about pick-up games? I'm talking about the Emperor being too powerful to be represented in-game at all.

Obviously, he’s going to be a powerhouse. But if the scale of the game can deal with warlord titans, I think it can work with the Big E. Just take all the dials, turn them to 11, and point appropriately.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Gert wrote:
Yeah, I remember that and I did wonder how FW would even make it work. He's more powerful than all the Primarchs, and when Magnus came out he was insanely good. So the Emperor would have to be either really expensive or toned down to a point where He wasn't represented well. Either way a generally unusable unit especially considering Custodes are already a very pricey army list.

How many points are the Primarchs? Do they often get used in regular (non-narrative) games?

I've never played a game of HH, I always assumed the Primarchs were too powerful for a regular game anyway, and were mostly there as display pieces, let alone the Emp.

Though I'd like to see the Emp even if he is just a display piece.... unless they mess him up in a disappointing way in which case I'd rather they don't do him

**Gert**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
How many points are the Primarchs? Do they often get used in regular (non-narrative) games?

I've never played a game of HH, I always assumed the Primarchs were too powerful for a regular game anyway, and were mostly there as display pieces, let alone the Emp.

Though I'd like to see the Emp even if he is just a display piece.... unless they mess him up in a disappointing way in which case I'd rather they don't do him

Primarchs are common enough and comfortably sit within the 25% rule for Lords of War for 2.5k games, heck Fulgrim is cheap enough to fit in a 2k game. They're good but not unbeatable.

Nevelon wrote:
Obviously, he’s going to be a powerhouse. But if the scale of the game can deal with warlord titans, I think it can work with the Big E. Just take all the dials, turn them to 11, and point appropriately.

A Warlord Titan is just under 3k points but even then it's not exactly fun to try and fight one unless you have a huge amount of AT weaponry.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

**Coolyo294**

Marshal Loss wrote:
Leaks ahoy. Some great stuff, and some less than great stuff (e.g. confirmation of no jump packs for Palatines, Reavers, etc)

Very sad to see Iron Warriors officially lose all of their special characters save Perturabo and havocs.

**Billicus**

Gert wrote:
Billicus wrote:
They can make him like 6000 points if they want, it's their game - there's no rule saying he needs to have a place in the 2-3k club meta.

Not sure where "club meta" comes into play here chief. It's more to do with the fact the Emperor would be unbeatable because with Him it's not hyperbole.

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Nevelon wrote:
Exactly. They have rules and models for full-on titans. You are not going to see those at a random pick up game at the FlGS, but when the tables get pushed together for a mega battle, they can show up and have their place.

The Emperor should be similar.

Who said anything about pick-up games? I'm talking about the Emperor being too powerful to be represented in-game at all.

My bad, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were making a reasonable point, not just being awkward - assumed your point was to do with his practicality as a gaming piece, not that he should be "the best evar because he's unbeatable". Anyway, there's no suggestion that a big E model is coming, so we don't need to worry about it either way, "chief".

**Gert**

Not sure what the snark is for. We're talking about the dude who could destroy Gargants singe handedly, who powered the Aegis Shield on Terra for months and still had enough power left over to unmake a Pantheon empowered Horus.

**Tannhauser42**

I would still expect to see an Emperor model when we get to the Siege of Terra. If nothing else, it would be part of a 2-part diorama piece with Horus to represent that final battle*. As far as rules go, I would expect them to be on par with a buffed up Horus for game purposes. It can be explained that the Emperor is channeling his excess power into other things at the time (creating a safe zone from Chaos around him, fending off Chaos within the Warp around him, powering the Astronomicon, powering various psychic defenses throughout Terra, etc.).

*Would they really give up the chance to do a modern version of this classic diorama?

Spoiler:

**Wha-Mu-077**

I always wanted a Dead Sanguinius model.