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Doom Talon Blade things - whatever they're called - look so dopey.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Doom Talon Blade things - whatever they're called - look so dopey.

Clearly the pilots are so bored they fell asleep.

Not sure in the the futility of responding to a post form 5 pages ago but here goes: (man this thread is moving fast)

They're not likely much of a tar pit as they have I2 and are not Fearless, so I would be expecting them to get swept quite often. Even at 3 attacks each, 5 Flayed Ones will suffer 3 casualties to 5 Tac Marines before the Necrons ever get to attack. The Flayed Ones will respond with 6 attacks, 3 hits and 1 wound. They're not tar pits; they're puddles.

Um...huh?

First, 5 Tac marines is closer to 6 Flayed ones in points cost. And you seem to be assuming (for some reason, probably because it supports your argument"that the Tac marines get the charge.

10(1/2)=5(1/2)=2.5(1/2)=1.25

So if 5 Flayed ones survive...

15(1/2)=7.5(1/2)=3.75(1/3)=1.2375

Pretty close to a draw on that one, and the Flayed ones haven't gotten their RP yet.

If 4 flayed ones survive...

12(1/2)=6(1/2)=3(1/3)=1 still pretty close to a draw.

Let me assume you meant Assault marines...

15(1/2)=7.5(1/2)=3.75(1/2)=1.875

So we'll assume 2 die, the aforementioned strike back with 4 flayed ones kills 1. rolling under a leadership 10-1 shouldn't be terribly difficult, then RP kicks in.

So um.... argument rendered immaterial, asinine, and trollish? And keep in mind that grant the Marines the charge in both cases.

My point stands, Flayed Ones will make an excellent tar-pit for anyone with the extra elite slots. A unit of 20 costs a paltry 260 points, and should be able to bog down a similarly valued CC squad for a few turns.

Question, I've seen this hinted at a few times...but what, if anything nullifies RP?

Edit: Grammars and typos>ShadarLogoth

Couldn't see this on page 1, Do 'arc' weapons strike vehicles from the position of the firer or the position of the unit they arc'd from (can you shoot a unit beyond a tank and have it arc into its rear)?

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Question, I've seen this hinted at a few times...but what, if anything nullifies RP?

Only completely destroying a unit or making them run nullifies RP.

Aeonstaves... I think I'm in love. Tremorstaves... god I cant pick. All I know is... "Come here tyranids"

Swara wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Question, I've seen this hinted at a few times...but what, if anything nullifies RP?

Only completely destroying a unit or making them run nullifies RP.

Wow. I mean wow. Awesome. Cronies are definitely going to be the MSU anti-thesis now.

Hox wrote:Aeonstaves... I think I'm in love. Tremorstaves... god I cant pick. All I know is... "Come here tyranids"

Tyranids: Sure. We'll come there. After we've finished mopping up the rest of your I2 army with our I5 core, I5 monsters and just in case we do come across something that can mess with our initiative we'll make it I1 too and make it take dangerous terrain checks to get close to us.

Have a nice day.

P.S. Large clusters of Necrons? Meet Spore Mines. Their AP4 and fuuuuuun.

@ShadarLogoth: I don't think that we can compare units in such a way. A tac squad has ranged weapons that can easily decimate a FO squad before they get into melee, that's why they are just about as expensive as the FO who are a CC-only unit.

Then again, I don't know what GW was smoking when they released the new FO. They are "meh" to "bad" units in the game itself and seriously, they are far, far, FAR away from being worth 35€ for 5 (!) miniatures. I don't even know what to say here. 35€ for 65 points? Well excuuuuuse me, princess.

I'm not seeing any Necron P&M blogs or a bunch of Necron lists popping up in the 40k list section...
I am disappoint.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:I'm not seeing any Necron P&M blogs are a bunch of Necron lists popping up in the 40k list section...
I am dissapoint.

that's because release is technically tomorrow and most of don't have our stuff yet. ( gives me time to finish painting the necrons I do have)

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Hox wrote:Aeonstaves... I think I'm in love. Tremorstaves... god I cant pick. All I know is... "Come here tyranids"

Tyranids: Sure. We'll come there. After we've finished mopping up the rest of your I2 army with our I5 core, I5 monsters and just in case we do come across something that can mess with our initiative we'll make it I1 too and make it take dangerous terrain checks to get close to us.

Have a nice day.

P.S. Large clusters of Necrons? Meet Spore Mines. Their AP4 and fuuuuuun.

Good luck when every single one of your units is moving through dangerous terrain every single turn. GG

Edit: On the topic of flayed ones, pricing is stupid. In canada it would cost 1269.00 (Before 13% tax so 1434.00 with) to buy 1500 points worth of flayed ones. They run almost a dollar a point.

Sigvatr wrote:@ShadarLogoth: I don't think that we can compare units in such a way. A tac squad has ranged weapons that can easily decimate a FO squad before they get into melee, that's why they are just about as expensive as the FO who are a CC-only unit.

Then again, I don't know what GW was smoking when they released the new FO. They are "meh" to "bad" units in the game itself and seriously, they are far, far, FAR away from being worth 35€ for 5 (!) miniatures. I don't even know what to say here. 35€ for 65 points? Well excuuuuuse me, princess.

I was responding to somebody who used that squad specifically in a CC situation, but to your point bolters will be just tingeing of 4T 4+/5+, and any speciality weapons will increase the corresponding amount of flayed ones, and NOT take away RP no matter what the weapon is (WOOOHOO!). Of course either way we are looking at them in a restricted unrealistic box, the tac marines will probably have bigger fish to fry and the FOs, if used correctly, will be counter assaulting or bubble wrapping shooty units.

Point taken on the cost of the new models, I already have 20 metal models who I've always love aesthetically so I'm blessedly saved from such considerations (although I will probably buy one box just for funsies).

Math hammer 10 to 20 FOs against any respected assault unit of similar points and you'll see the FO's will hang around for a considerable amount of time to at least frustrate their target, and definitely should keep the assault units away from your more precious shooty units.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:I'm not seeing any Necron P&M blogs or a bunch of Necron lists popping up in the 40k list section...
I am disappoint.

I'll write a list tonight, just for you.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:I'm not seeing any Necron P&M blogs are a bunch of Necron lists popping up in the 40k list section...
I am dissapoint.

Yeah I edited, like... 13 minutes before you posted.

Hox wrote:
Good luck when every single one of your units is moving through dangerous terrain every single turn. GG

Gaunts are expendable, a large chunk have move through cover (hello rerolls!), same with the Monstrous Creatures!

Why not wait till you have played against the new dex to bash it eh?

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Hox wrote:
Good luck when every single one of your units is moving through dangerous terrain every single turn. GG

Gaunts are expendable, a large chunk have move through cover (hello rerolls!), same with the Monstrous Creatures!

I played nids for quite some time. This new necron codex looks like it will stomp 90% of the possible army compositions

BarBoBot wrote:Why not wait till you have played against the new dex to bash it eh?

Its called smack talk... Its what our lessers do... lol

Farquestor wrote:

BarBoBot wrote:Why not wait till you have played against the new dex to bash it eh?

Its called smack talk... Its what our lessers do... lol

Isn't that when you try to talk when you're eating peanut butter?

Sunoccard wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:I'm not seeing any Necron P&M blogs are a bunch of Necron lists popping up in the 40k list section...
I am dissapoint.

that's because release is technically tomorrow and most of don't have our stuff yet. ( gives me time to finish painting the necrons I do have)

There may not be any new Necron tutes, but I've got two up there for now. Once I get my box of Immortals/Deathmarks, Warriors, and Ghost Ark, I'll be posting some new Necrons on the Cheap tutorials. If you really want Flayed Ones, buy Warriors and make the claws yourself, using the leftover blasters to make Gauss Immortals. I've already got an idea for making Tesla Immortals, just have to work it out.

About Lords and Crypteks, any restrictions on what units they can be attached to? And it would appear by all indications as they are not ICs they will be considered "upgrade" characters in said unit yes? Vary Secsie indeed.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Hox wrote:
Good luck when every single one of your units is moving through dangerous terrain every single turn. GG

Gaunts are expendable, a large chunk have move through cover (hello rerolls!), same with the Monstrous Creatures!

So your going to troll the rumor section of a book not even out yet and be extremely confident in light of virtually every unit selection in the Necron book being not just good, but a great counter to something in the Tyranid list... got it. In light of the Grey Knight and IG books both being reasonably auto win against bugs I'm glad you think they will have a solid matchup but... seriously.... wait till a few days after release to troll that your undefeatable against an unreleased army.

Lord and cryptek unit restrictions are in the summary on page 1 with all the other collected info.

Lords/crypteks limited to 1 per unit of warriors, Immortals, lychguard and deathmarks.

And of course they can form the royal court with the overlord also.

lazarian wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Hox wrote:
Good luck when every single one of your units is moving through dangerous terrain every single turn. GG

Gaunts are expendable, a large chunk have move through cover (hello rerolls!), same with the Monstrous Creatures!

So your going to troll the rumor section of a book not even out yet and be extremely confident in light of virtually every unit selection in the Necron book being not just good, but a great counter to something in the Tyranid list... got it. In light of the Grey Knight and IG books both being reasonably auto win against bugs I'm glad you think they will have a solid matchup but... seriously.... wait till a few days after release to troll that your undefeatable against an unreleased army.

I'm sitting here with both full codexes in my hands. Thanks for coming out though, maybe think first or read back to see that I've been talking about things I've been reading in my codex. Derp.

This message is quite confusing and you may have been telling him off. Not sure. If that was the case my previous comment is void. Go about your business, these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Does the Phylactery work every time you roll for your IC to get back up? Or is it a 1 time only thing as well? Seems like there are a bit to many One Use things as far as gear for the Lords go.

BarBoBot wrote:Lord and cryptek unit restrictions are in the summary on page 1 with all the other collected info.

Lords/crypteks limited to 1 per unit of warriors, Immortals, lychguard and deathmarks.

And of course they can form the royal court with the overlord also.

Ah so it is, my bad, somehow after reading that a dozen times I still managed to miss that .

No worries, it's alot to take in. I have made the same mistake.

Anyone as curious as I am why the deathmarks are said to be also CC assassins yet the statline and models dont reflect it at all?