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Really you don't know it lost gear, Eldar warwalkers can choose options from the vehicle wargear list including the invul save but wouldn't you know it they already have it.

5th edition hellhounds didn't have smoke launchers and IIRC sentinels didn't have smoke or searchlights so lets not assume chimeras lost it because searchlights and smoke are in the list of vehicle options.

They probably wanted chimeras to be more like rhinos. (yes way more costly rhinos) I've never seen a Space marine player driving however many rhinos around shooting plasma and melta out of the top. They use them to transport units to objectives. It does suck as that was the only way I got troops to objectives alive and I have 6 chimeras which are not as good anymore.


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And yes everybody shot out of the big top hatch near the back, like a cartoon.

 rabidguineapig wrote:
You could make a pretty fluffy list with ICBMs and Valhallans painted like commies. Just label your table "Cuba," and wait in vain as your missiles never go off.

So, guessing now I'm forced to build a deathstrike to complete the Red Army look of my valhallans (I even painted insignia in red on purpose).
One ICBM launcher, one MIRV launcher (Manticore), one BMP for now (Chimera).
Too bad the Hydra look is so far away from ZSU-23-4 , and Leman Russ absolutely not credible for a T-34 / T55 / T72...

Well done GW you can have some more of my money, just the decision of more space marines or some eldar. I have literally wasted £45 on a chimera and a another one for use with the lead griffin gun I still have. The space marine codex got huge price reductions across the board, what do we get, some pretty cool rules for using a shed load of infantry. If the chimera is fast I might calm down but the HB is almost always snap firing. The part bus isn't that bad a mod land the rules are pretty cool with 16 bs 4 shots. I'll take the pointy ears and let the ranks of troops just look pretty cool on the shelf, glad I only got the storm troopers. On the plus side run an inquisitor henchmen squad with 3 10 point plasma guns in a 55 point phsymera and have some death cult assassins for cc

pads1982 wrote:
Well done GW you can have some more of my money, just the decision of more space marines or some eldar.

You know that doesn't actually teach them a lesson, right?

 portugus wrote:

And yes everybody shot out of the big top hatch near the back, like a cartoon.

If you cram enough guys in the hatch there isn't room for grenades to be thrown in...

 warboss wrote:

pads1982 wrote:
Well done GW you can have some more of my money, just the decision of more space marines or some eldar.

You know that doesn't actually teach them a lesson, right?

I meant the cash I was going to blow on re-vamping my guard, say few valks couple of armoured fist squads, box or to of ogryns can pay for a good starter army. I loved my guard but the army was just holding its own, the 2000 point army I fielded last week is at least 200 points more under new dex

More disappointing news about the chimera.

When the ABG list gets updated/FAQ'd to reflect the new price changes for Russes, that'll be my army. Just russes. Lots of cheap russes.

Who needs troops anyways?

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Also, the stormtrooper codex being iTunes only sucks. It means I HAVE to pirate a PDF version (and they are out there) if I wanted to use my army without lugging a laptop around. I was actually thinking about buying the epub version too.

It's NOT iTunes only.

It's iTunes and physical. I have the physical book.

I thought the physical codex was out of stock. Are they reprinting it or is it "limited edition"? There have been so many limited editions I just figured this was another one.

Also, its a good $20 more or so for the physical copy. I can kind of stomach $30 for a supplement, but $50 is way too much.

Not sure why some folks are still calling this a "supplement" when it is in fact a codex for a new army. Granted, there are only 14 pages of stats & rules, but this "codex" allows you to make a Scion army. (Allows Scions to be troops, have their own orders, etc...)

The Astra Militarum (Guard) codex has Scions as an option for an Elites choice (Each Elite choice is 1-3 five to ten man squads & 0-1 five man command squad). (No scion troops or scion orders though as a guard elite choice). Their stats are in there & the WD that came out. (Technically, the WD is sufficient if using Scions in a guard army...).

Now IF you were to ally scions army to guard army (or for that matter, any other army which has their own codex), then you'd need the 2 codexes....

So supplement is a false title... I do agree the price is too high given the limited unit entries and all (14 useful pages related to playing them in a game)...

Because we don't believe the nonsense GW puts out. It's a grand total of 3 units and some transports, right? Maybe 4 units? That's not a codex, that's a supplement. Legion of the Damned is a codex... and it's bullcrap as one. Codex Imperial Knights is literally a page of new material to be a "codex".

Supplement, Codex... it's all just names for overpriced nonsense. I am glad they put the majority of the rules in $4 splat books.

 warboss wrote:

pads1982 wrote:
Well done GW you can have some more of my money, just the decision of more space marines or some eldar.

You know that doesn't actually teach them a lesson, right?

Buy third party, save 75% off the GW price. It's easy when you play IG. Turns out GW doesn't own the rights to World War II.

3 Deathstrikes + Allied Fateweaver.
It begins.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Rostere wrote:
Actually, they wrote on the Italian site that the Chimera's lasguns can now fire back. I presume that is connected to the loss of fire points and that it brings more flashlights to the IG's firepower.


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 rabidguineapig wrote:
You could make a pretty fluffy list with ICBMs and Valhallans painted like commies. Just label your table "Cuba," and wait in vain as your missiles never go off.

Oh come on, Cuba is lame, North Korea would be much funnier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

But the Cuban missile crisis had nothing at all to do with dodgy rockets not firing, or missing. Whereas on the other hand North Korea seems to launch a few home-made rockets into the sea every other Thursday.

 A sane man wrote:
3 Deathstrikes + Allied Fateweaver.
It begins.

But yeah. Maybe you can paint your Deathstrikes in Cuban colors and then try to bring them as allies for your Tyranids. The scene of your opponent explaining why you can't take Deathstrikes legally in your list would symbolize the Cuban missile crisis better.

i'm curious on how the fire points work with HWS.

As the HWS is a single 2 wound model, does that mean it would only use up one fire point when shooting? leaving space for a special weapon to fire out as well?

If this is how it works then what I think GW is trying to do is bring back the Amoured Fist Squad. AFS got made redundant last codex as veterans in chimeras were a much better choice but now a cheap AFS is looking like a viable alternative

This ties in with the fact that before the site went down, GW was selling the Amoured fist squad box set again.

What do other people think?

FatBoyNoSlim wrote:
i'm curious on how the fire points work with HWS.

As the HWS is a single 2 wound model, does that mean it would only use up one fire point when shooting? leaving space for a special weapon to fire out as well?

Yes, that is how I interpret the rule.

 Rostere wrote:

FatBoyNoSlim wrote:
i'm curious on how the fire points work with HWS.

As the HWS is a single 2 wound model, does that mean it would only use up one fire point when shooting? leaving space for a special weapon to fire out as well?

Yes, that is how I interpret the rule.

Ok that good to know.

Thanks for replying

With how many nerfs this book is getting I feel that the french translation mistook "radius" for "diameter" for the Deathstrike. I'm not convinced that GW even realized their old rules for the deathstrike was based on radius, so they'll just nerf it to "large blast" and forget there is a big difference between 2.5" radius and 6".

Maybe I'm wrong tho and this is the ONE buff the book gets.

 Kirasu wrote:
With how many nerfs this book is getting I feel that the french translation mistook "radius" for "diameter" for the Deathstrike. I'm not convinced that GW even realized their old rules for the deathstrike was based on radius, so they'll just nerf it to "large blast" and forget there is a big difference between 2.5" radius and 6".

Maybe I'm wrong tho and this is the ONE buff the book gets.

Possibly. A 10" killing zone is pretty nuts. Then again, so are D weapons in normal games.

 Kirasu wrote:
With how many nerfs this book is getting I feel that the french translation mistook "radius" for "diameter" for the Deathstrike. I'm not convinced that GW even realized their old rules for the deathstrike was based on radius, so they'll just nerf it to "large blast" and forget there is a big difference between 2.5" radius and 6".

Maybe I'm wrong tho and this is the ONE buff the book gets.

Just one edition closer to the "capability of annihilating entire armies" that the current codex attributes to the Deathstrike.

ENTIRE ARMIES.

Even if the rumoured new rules are true, I'll still laugh at this idea in my sleep.

 portugus wrote:

They probably wanted chimeras to be more like rhinos. (yes way more costly rhinos) I've never seen a Space marine player driving however many rhinos around shooting plasma and melta out of the top.

Unfortunately they're supposed to serve different roles. A Rhino is an APC, it gets super soldiers from point A to point B. A Chimera is an IFV, it's supposed to be something the infantry can fight from, at least to a limited extent. It's unfortunate if GW forgot that :(

And yes everybody shot out of the big top hatch near the back, like a cartoon.

Not that cartoony actually

http://digilander.libero.it/lagunaricrespino/M113.jpg

So I went and got my box of scions a week late..AND I got the Codex! And I do mean Codex: not the French translation or whatever, no, the real English codex!

Some clearing:
chimeras are 65 pts, but they DO come with searchlights and smoke launchers. 2 models can fire from the hatch (Heavy weapons count as a bulky model) and 6 models can fire the lasguns on the side, called lasgun array (one on each side) They can fire at a different target as the chimera's other weapons, but all 3 on one side must fire at a single target..AND it ALWAYS fire at the chimera's BS value..so bummer for Vets, but short of having a crew stunned/shaken, you're firing BS3 instead of BS1.

Marbo is gone. Lest we forget.

Commissar rules about the execution is real: 1-2 opponent choose, 3+ you pick.

Fire on my Target now grants ignore cover instead of re-rolling successful cover saves. Bring it down gives monster/tank hunter instead of twin-linked.

Officer order range is 12inch for both senior and junior. Senoirs get 2 orders/turn instead of 1.
Creed gets 2 Warlord trait, that you can roll in 2 different warlord chart if you want.

Straken gets automcatically the one granted relentless; Harcker lost feel no pain (T3 blargh) but is also relentless (and no word that only he's got it, so you get a squad of relentless vet for +55pts)

Heavy flamer is 10pts; and (har har!) if vets don't take it, they can still sport 3 Special Weapons instead of 2.

Power fist/weapon are still 25/15 pts.

Ratlings can now shoot and run in the same shooting phase.

Heavy Weapons team are 45 pts, but since you MUST take 3 heavy weapons, the cheapest being mortars at 5 pts, there's no price change. Scout Sentinels are still 35 pts.

CCS are 60pts.
Tank commander are 30, +40 for Pask
Creed is 80, Straken is 130, gains monster hunter, smash, but 6 inch counter-charge/furious charge bubble

Platoon didn't change in price. Vets are 60.

Yes, Executiooner gains Gets Hot for main weapon..

Deathstrike can't fire first round, blast is apocalyptic blast

I skimmed the fluffly part, they seems to talk about Cadian/Catachan, the other regiments got that blurb that was in WD.

Any question ask away!

EDIT: added Creed/Straken/Harker info

 Kirasu wrote:
With how many nerfs this book is getting I feel that the french translation mistook "radius" for "diameter" for the Deathstrike. I'm not convinced that GW even realized their old rules for the deathstrike was based on radius, so they'll just nerf it to "large blast" and forget there is a big difference between 2.5" radius and 6".

Maybe I'm wrong tho and this is the ONE buff the book gets.

-Pask
-Warlord traits
-Orders
-Scions (not cripplingly overspecialised anymore, you can issue about 12 different orders to them)
-Conscripts (3 points each)
-Rough Riders (+1 attack for LP/CCW)
-Vet doctrines (Far cheaper, actually affordable now)
-Commissars (Far cheaper, actually feasible for every unit now)
-Psyker Battle Squads (now have divination, so re-rolls to hit dispensers)
-Priests (For 25 points you can give re-rolls to hit + re-rolls to wound or re-roll armour/invuln saves or he can turn into fething pop eye, double his strength and fist his way through Terminator armour)
-Leman Russ Tanks (price decrease across the board)
-Fleet Officers (self reserve buff, opponent reserve nerf)
-Astropaths (Telepathy Psyker)
-Deathstrike Missile Launcher

Saying there's just one buff is just flat out inaccurate, bud.

Edit: Vets have been massively buffed given the above, they still sport 3 SW's and are cheaper. Lol at people telling us Mechvets were dead.

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Inquisitor Jex wrote:
So I went and got my box of scions a week late..AND I got the Codex! And I do mean Codex: not the French translation or whatever, no, the real English codex!

Some clearing:
chimeras are 65 pts, but they DO come with searchlights and smoke launchers. 2 models can fire from the hatch (Heavy weapons count as a bulky model) and 6 models can fire the lasguns on the side, called lasgun array (one on each side) They can fire at a different target as the chimera's other weapons, but all 3 on one side must fire at a single target..AND it ALWAYS fire at the chimera's BS value..so bummer for Vets, but short of having a crew stunned/shaken, you're firing BS3 instead of BS1.

Marbo is gone. Lest we forget.

Commissar rules about the execution is real: 1-2 opponent choose, 3+ you pick.

Fire on my Target now grants ignore cover instead of re-rolling successful cover saves. Bring it down gives monster/tank hunter instead of twin-linked.

Officer order range is 12inch for both senior and junior. Senoirs get 2 orders/turn instead of 1.
Creed gets 2 Warlord trait, that you can roll in 2 different warlord chart if you want.

Straken gets automcatically the one granted relentless; Harcker lost feel no pain (T3 blargh) but is also relentless (and no word that only he's got it, so you get a squad of relentless vet for +55pts)

Heavy flamer is 10pts; and (har har!) if vets don't take it, they can still sport 3 Special Weapons instead of 2.

Power fist/weapon are still 25/15 pts.

Ratlings can now shoot and run in the same shooting phase.

Heavy Weapons team are 45 pts, but since you MUST take 3 heavy weapons, the cheapest being mortars at 5 pts, there's no price change. Scout Sentinels are still 35 pts.

CCS are 60pts.
Tank commander are 30, +40 for Pask
Creed is 80, Straken is 130, gains monster hunter, smash, but 6 inch counter-charge/furious charge bubble

Platoon didn't change in price. Vets are 60.

Yes, Executiooner gains Gets Hot for main weapon..

Deathstrike can't fire first round, blast is apocalyptic blast

I skimmed the fluffly part, they seems to talk about Cadian/Catachan, the other regiments got that blurb that was in WD.

Any question ask away!

EDIT: added Creed/Straken/Harker info

Vets have been considerably buffed then, still have 3 SW's and are 60 points? Frigging hooray.

Okay, rules queries:

1) Does the Hydra have ignores jink in the Hydra autocannon profile, or anything to distinguish it from the Stalker that's 5 points more and atm looking basically a complete upgrade

2) What does Creed and Kell give you now? Kell's cost?

3) Is Nork Deddog decent?

4) Leman Russ costs?

Inquisitor Jex wrote:


Stuff

Nice one.

In your opinion... Can this codex be competitive?

How do Lord Commissars work in the new book?

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

Heavy flamer is 10pts; and (har har!) if vets don't take it, they can still sport 3 Special Weapons instead of 2.

Sorry, I just want this clarified.

Can vets take 3 special weapons? Why is the heavy flamer relevant to just stating they can take three specials. Just confusing wording is all.

Oh, and confirmation of Leman Russ variant point costs and Hellhound variants would be awesome.

Thanks!

I went over the cost of Chimera Vets assuming I just that read above right, and lo and behold, nothing has changed.

A squad of 10 with 3 plasmas in a Chimera is 170, just as a squad with meltas is 155. No point increase, no point decrease.

Instead, presuming the rumours on the Vet Doctrines are true, Vets are now more durable.

Doctrines....?

Please....?

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

Can Veteran Sergeants issue orders?

Whats the HW/SW costs for platoons? Are missile launchers cheaper?
Can conscripts take special weapons? Are they defo 3pts/model, is sitnw still available?
Are conscripts part of a platoon or their own FOC slot?

Looking at pre-order for "Enhanced Edition" on iBooks. Looks like it might come with a built in army builder program!?!?