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 Vaktathi wrote:
The Deathstrike is only going to go off on the first turn relatively rarely, and can still scatter. It's going to be a very "lose big most of the time, win big and hilariously some of the time" type deal.

is there any way to get a reroll on that dice by allying in some obscure special character?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The Deathstrike is only going to go off on the first turn relatively rarely, and can still scatter. It's going to be a very "lose big most of the time, win big and hilariously some of the time" type deal.

Ah, but as it has a 10" blast diameter, it's still probably going to hit something.

As well as cheap as chips PBS/Inquisitors for extra hilarity.

EDIT: double-post

Then it will hit something that is not the intended target

Whether or not it is one of your squads is another matter entirely

 Vaktathi wrote:
The Deathstrike is only going to go off on the first turn relatively rarely, and can still scatter. It's going to be a very "lose big most of the time, win big and hilariously some of the time" type deal.

Yes, but it will at least be the terror weapon it should have been, according to its very name. Lining up a deathstrike could severely alter your opponent's deployment. Given that he has 1/2 chance of suffering a devastating mega-blast if he packs his army in one of these massive offensive / killy blocks I witnessed sometimes.

Okay lets look at the bright side:

Officer of the Fleet is basically twice as effective now.

Astropath has been turned from a pretty useless guy into a nice psyker to boost the effectiveness of a CCS.


Oh and most important of all, I dont know about you guys but I'm literally dancing with joy that they have made the DEATHSTRIKE VIABLE!

Like, seriously! Nobody took it in the previous codex but now the thought of reducing that Tau or Space Marine player who huddles all his army in one giant blob behind that cover into a smouldering crater of glass is actually viable.

Relatively rarely? Like you only roll a 4+ relatively rarely?


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Never the less, more random musings on the rumors so far:

Say you have a good midfield blob that you like. Conventional options to keep them from running are Commissars and recently Inquisitors. Priests add a new, cheap option in this role. They don’t have as good a leadership as the old options, but they do add Fearless, which makes up for most of the leadership deficiencies. Now the cool thing about Priests (if they share equipment options with the last two codices that had them) is they can take plasma guns. This means they can add to the shooting power of your unit as well as provide leadership. 40 points probably buys you a Priest with plasma gun. This is a pretty cheap plasma gun as things go. Now you get great leadership buffs and an additional special weapon.

For example, let’s say you’ve got a blob of 30 dudes (I’m still assuming blobs stick around) with 3 plasma guns. This unit is a midfield objective grabber. Good firepower, good durability, with enough bodies to grind through assaults if it can be prevented from running. It weighs in at 195 points under current costs. The priest brings a huge boost with Fearless, a huge boost with Hatred, and an unreliable, but potentially huge boost with War Hymns. 25% more plasma power is icing on the cake. Why stop there, though? A second identical priest actually brings a ton more to the table. You get reliability in the form of a second guy that must be killed to negate Fearless. You move your War Hymn of choice up from “maybe” to “probable”, and you get a chance at a second War Hymn if you’re lucky. You even get another plasma gun. That final unit is a 32 model, 275 point scoring unit with FIVE plasma guns, and enough lasguns to do something. It’s won’t break until two weak, but separate independent characters are killed, and it’s pretty nasty in close combat against most things. The biggest concern is losing Priests to overheat, but the squad is good enough that it’s probably getting a lot of Divination support to avoid the worst of that. It’s points intensive (for a Guard unit), but it does some cool stuff. If you opt for the 1 point Bolter on all the Sergeants, you get 5 Precision shots each turn at long range, 10 up close. That’s worth something, too.

So either Priests will be the best thing about this new codex, or blobs won't exist and it will truly be a conscript's world.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Okay lets look at the bright side:

Officer of the Fleet is basically twice as effective now.

Astropath has been turned from a pretty useless guy into a nice psyker to boost the effectiveness of a CCS.


Oh and most important of all, I dont know about you guys but I'm literally dancing with joy that they have made the DEATHSTRIKE VIABLE!

Like, seriously! Nobody took it in the previous codex but now the thought of reducing that Tau or Space Marine player who huddles all his army in one giant blob behind that cover into a smouldering crater of glass is actually viable.

Oh yeaah it will mess Tau up. We may be seeing a sudden rise of ICBMs on the table

You could make a pretty fluffy list with ICBMs and Valhallans painted like commies. Just label your table "Cuba," and wait in vain as your missiles never go off.

Actually, they wrote on the Italian site that the Chimera's lasguns can now fire back. I presume that is connected to the loss of fire points and that it brings more flashlights to the IG's firepower.


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 rabidguineapig wrote:
You could make a pretty fluffy list with ICBMs and Valhallans painted like commies. Just label your table "Cuba," and wait in vain as your missiles never go off.

Oh come on, Cuba is lame, North Korea would be much funnier.

Yes, many IG players were hoping they could find a way to fit more lasguns into their lists.


Oh god, this thread is rubbing off on me.

 Rostere wrote:
Actually, they wrote on the Italian site that the Chimera's lasguns can now fire back. I presume that is connected to the loss of fire points and that it brings more flashlights to the IG's firepower.


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 rabidguineapig wrote:
You could make a pretty fluffy list with ICBMs and Valhallans painted like commies. Just label your table "Cuba," and wait in vain as your missiles never go off.

Oh come on, Cuba is lame, North Korea would be much funnier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

Wait a minute, they reduced the firing points on a Chimera? How many are there now?

 plastictrees wrote:
Yes, many IG players were hoping they could find a way to fit more lasguns into their lists.


Oh god, this thread is rubbing off on me.

To be fair, those are lasguns on the chimera. It never made much sense to me how they can suddenly shoot plasma.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I guess GW really doesn't want to sell transport kits this edition. They'll look awfully nice sitting pretty and shrinkwrapped on the shelves there

The Taurox can't even manage to do that as the picture is on the front of the box.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Wait a minute, they reduced the firing points on a Chimera? How many are there now?

2, apparently. But it seems those lasguns on the hull can shoot back now.
Which is a surprisingly logical decision from GW.

so where would the firepoints on the chimera be? left side? right side?

 Sir Arun wrote:
so where would the firepoints on the chimera be? left side? right side?

That...is a good question.

Aren't there slits on the model?

 rabidguineapig wrote:
You could make a pretty fluffy list with ICBMs and Valhallans painted like commies. Just label your table "Cuba," and wait in vain as your missiles never go off.

What do you call it when an IG player rolls two 3s and a 1 first turn on his Deathstrikes?



Deathstrikes. The new Marbo?

no idea how LoS is drawn from its firepoints

Isn't that a fire point under the smoke launcher? Looks like a hole.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Isn't that a fire point under the smoke launcher? Looks like a hole.

Drivers hatch actually

I thought the fire points were the little sticky-outies.

It has been agreed I thought on this forum that the firing ports on the chimera were from the double doors near the back. The ones in between the lasguns.

I swear, Games Workshop is actively messing with me now.

This was the last Games Workshop model I put together.

yeah, the price increase for chimeras isn't a big deal since we'll be saving points overall with vet squads being cheaper.. But the loss of all that bonus gear and 3 of the firing points in the hatch is a pretty big downer.
Crossing my fingers and hoping that the hull lasguns are upgraded to the Lasblaster or something similar, but I believe the era of pillbox chimeras is over.

 portugus wrote:
It has been agreed I thought on this forum that the firing ports on the chimera were from the double doors near the back. The ones in between the lasguns.

I've always played it that way. The codex said specifically "top hatch," which could be either the top of the turret or the double doors.

 Sir Arun wrote:
so where would the firepoints on the chimera be? left side? right side?

Well, you have a large hatch on top rear with near all-around field of view (2 fire points), plus two lateral arrays of 3 laser guns. Surprisingly a pretty logical decision from GW !

I can hear that a large number of chimera-veterans fans feel disheartened, but calm down. Should Chimera have been written this way in 5th, it would have been a net improvement from 4th edition rules actually. Everybody would have like it. It feels logical and balanced, for me. Chimera was too good in 5th context, now GW is over-reacting (as usual). I find this rule adjustment perfectly appropriate, while not liking the price bump on the other hand. Given the huge fragility brought by hull point mechanism, plus crew firepower adjustment, GW should have let Chimera cost 55 points. It hurts your strategy more than inability to fire every possible special weapons (during the short time your vehicle still being up) : it draws Chimera out of competition compared to other tanks.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Also, the stormtrooper codex being iTunes only sucks. It means I HAVE to pirate a PDF version (and they are out there) if I wanted to use my army without lugging a laptop around. I was actually thinking about buying the epub version too.

It's NOT iTunes only.

It's iTunes and physical. I have the physical book.

I thought the physical codex was out of stock. Are they reprinting it or is it "limited edition"? There have been so many limited editions I just figured this was another one.

Also, its a good $20 more or so for the physical copy. I can kind of stomach $30 for a supplement, but $50 is way too much.

Not sure why some folks are still calling this a "supplement" when it is in fact a codex for a new army. Granted, there are only 14 pages of stats & rules, but this "codex" allows you to make a Scion army. (Allows Scions to be troops, have their own orders, etc...)

The Astra Militarum (Guard) codex has Scions as an option for an Elites choice (Each Elite choice is 1-3 five to ten man squads & 0-1 five man command squad). (No scion troops or scion orders though as a guard elite choice). Their stats are in there & the WD that came out. (Technically, the WD is sufficient if using Scions in a guard army...).

Now IF you were to ally scions army to guard army (or for that matter, any other army which has their own codex), then you'd need the 2 codexes....

So supplement is a false title... I do agree the price is too high given the limited unit entries and all (14 useful pages related to playing them in a game)...

so are both fire points one and the same area?