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Just finished painting my da up so I took a trip over to my local gaming club last night to break them upon the anvil of battle. My opponent decided not to turn up!! So I was left standing in an unfamiliar gaming club with a 1000pts of da. I thought I would hang around 40k is a popular game and someone might show up with some. How wrong I was. I got speaking to the other members and they were playing allsorts dropzone commander, infinity and fantasy. But no 40k. When I asked why they said they like 40k models but not the current edition rules. Is this popular opinion everywhere? I have not gamed yet but I'm not holding out much hope in this gaming club. I was a bit disappointed.

It is different in every gaming club. Some decide they "hate" 40k, others are 40k prominent. Disliking GW is popular, but 40k is still by far the most popular table top game in my general area.

Personal experience is that cliquishness is a far more popular phenomenon than 40k being unpopular at wargaming clubs. Absent any other information, the tentative conclusion I come to is that no one wanted to play with the new guy. Unfortunate, but it happens.

I've seen other games on the rise, but 40k is still the most popular at all the stores I frequent.

Don't mind them. Hipsterism has struck gaming as well. Sometimes playing a game like 40k or even D&D is lkke asking for a Miller Lite in a hipster bar, they only serve the stuff tou've never heard of and probably won't like.

Nevermind and move on.

i like the fantasy gaming better than 40k but idont hate it, for competitive play i kinda stoped at 40k but still good to have a few friendly games.

Yeah, it just depends on the area. Where I am there are not a lot of 40k players it seems, but we only have a couple games stores. Magic is very popular(though that's everywhere I think), and FoW is fairly popular at the stores themselves. Back in my hometown, 40k is pretty popular, but FoW not so much.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Don't mind them. Hipsterism has struck gaming as well. Sometimes playing a game like 40k or even D&D is lkke asking for a Miller Lite in a hipster bar, they only serve the stuff tou've never heard of and probably won't like.

Nevermind and move on.

Yeah, because the only reason any group would prefer to play games that aren't 40k is "hipsterism"...

Definitly depends on the area, and even the store. The store i usually go to, WM/H is the biggest miniatures game, followed up fairly distantly by 40k, and then WHFB is pretty much non-existent (i'm like the only one who really plays it!)

Well 40k is basically the McDonalds of Wargaming.

Don't worry, like McDonalds, there are plenty of places to play 40k.

Generally it's older gaming clubs that move on to other things, try and find a club that caters more to a newer TT gamer crowd?

If two guys start playing Infinity and a third guy wants to game with them, he's gonna start playing Infinity too.

If three guys that are prominent at a club play Infinity, then the rest might decide it's easier to get games of Infinity too.

I play with my friends. I wanted to play WHFB, but they wanted to play 40k. Now we're all playing 40k, and it's not so cheap that I'm gonna make a WHFB army aswell, just in case.

It's just a case of what the other people in your region play.

About your 6th edition rules question: No, me and the people I play with agree that 6th edition is fantastic. It was what got us playing after all and we love it.

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In one of my FLGS the 40k pop is a bit dead. WarmaHordes took it with a vengeance and one of the reasons seems to be it's cool to hate GW. Older players also seemed to give the excuse of "6th edition is terrible!" because their OP list of the old edition time is no longer OP. Hate GW all you want, but you can still play 40k and help the FLGS at the same time buying there, YOU -ers!.
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Ah well, I hope that changes.

Hate GW all you want, but you can still play 40k and help the FLGS at the same time buying there, YOU -ers!.

I get the sentiment here (you like GW/40k), but don't really agree with the idea. If someone doesn't like 40k/GW, why should they play it and buy stuff for it just to help support its existence? Only reason for them to play/buy is if they want to do so and therefore want it to stick around. It is a free market, and supply/demand kinda rules how things work. If people aren't playing a game, then its not going to sell... and if its not being sold, not much chance of getting people playing it... It is kind of a vicous cycle.

There is an FLGS near me that has a variety of games. Nearly every time I've stopped by on a weekend, I've seen 4-6 people on their terrain tables playing 40k and 10-16 playing Magic.

They have Hordes and drop zone and some other stuff, but I've only seen these 2 games played.

The GWs around my area follow certain nights: thurs = 40k, fri = WHFB

I think even the hobbit has some people who play on tues or wed, but I don't usually go those days.

Depends on the population of where you live too. I could probably find a gaming group for even the most unknown of games in my area.

Funny its the exact opposite at my local club. Everyone plays mainly 40k with a little fantasy and not one person plays warmachine/inifity/dropzone commander or any of the other games. Which is a little disappointing because I would love to start some other games yet I would have nobody to face.

Hope I manage to get a game soon. Spent ages painting my da!! Never played 40k before. I would go gw but I'm kind of tied up during the day for the next 4 weeks. Lucky I have plenty of books that need reading!!

Game stores can be very cliquish, and there is always an "Alpha Gamer". What ever he/she/it plays, everyone else is more likely to play,

It's too bad you couldn't get a game in though. :( That's just mean to be a stranger at a game store with a painted army and people basically telling you off for trying to find a game.

If I had been there, I would have played ya just for the simple fact that to show up and not get a game sucks big time.

Hate is a pretty strong word for "I like the models but not the rules" to tell you the truth. Does that game store have a dedicated 40k night? A lot of clubs/stores have one night a week set aside for specific games.

As for it being the popular opinion, well, you're on a primarily 40k-focused forum with an ever-expanding userbase. While many people here don't play 40k, the majority either do play or have played int he past. It's just a matter of taste.

Nothing wrong with finding a new gaming store if people aren't playing 40k there. The closest FLGS to me went that route - hardly anyone above the age of 18 plays 40k there anymore, which makes it pretty much an exercise in babysitting for adults. Now I have to drive 30 m away to get a game, but at least 40k is popular in this venue and the players are adults.

Same thing happened out of state - the GW store regulars weren't really at a congruent skill level, while the regulars at a FLGS 30 m away provided a much more enjoyable and challenging gaming experience. The 30 minute drive is more than worth a better game.

At least there are gamers there, in a area that has like ten towns there is only one gaming place and its kind of out of the way. Though at least i get my warhammer 40k on every sunday but for the rest of the week its magic players. (Lucky I like magic too.)

it's definitely to do with the area. don't worry - there are plenty of people out there who like the game

no one can have it as bad as me - I've been in Qatar for a year now. it's a good country and all, apart from the maniac drivers and the absolute non existence of WH40k. I go to school and I've only picked up one person, and by sheer luck we found one more person randomly in Doha. I'm as rusty as a cultist's autogun sometimes when it comes to rules, and so far this year I've played 5 actual games.... in Dubai.

if it's bad your end then form your own group like I have. it's quite nice to have a small band of people, yet I wish I had a 40k gaming club here and I guess you feel the same. but hey, you can't have everything. take your other 40k bud and try to find some more people next time you get to the club.

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There are reasons you dont see alot of 40K at my local store.

1. other game selection. There are more games available now then ten years ago. WM/H, Malifaux, Infinity, and so on.

2. Cost. Start up costs on Malifaux and Infinity is very small. For $100.00 you can be playing with a competitive group of minis. What can you get from GW for 100.

3. Pockets of popularity. Everything is different somewhere else.

I have noticed a drop in games played around here. A lot of people play Warmahordes now.

I have no interest in any other game, personally. I hate Warmahordes models... there are maybe 3 models in the entire range I like.

Though Dust Tactics looks cool they cost about the same as GW as far as I can tell.

Deadzone is a possible future endeavor only because I have a few friends who want to try it out.

Infinity is too anime for my liking and Malifaux doesn't make any models that appeal to me.

For me, obviously, it's about the models. If I want a game where I don't care about what my pieces look like I'll play Risk or Chess.

You can make the greatest game rules ever but if all the models have hands bigger than their torsos or look like half naked anime school girls you can count me out.

In my area the "love the models, dislike/hate the rules" is definitely a strong opinion. I know I belong to that group, although mine is more "love the models and fluff/hate GW's rules and business practices." Prices certainly aren't helping either. For the cost it would take to rebuild my IG army after the kick in the balls 6th ed gave it, I can have 2 nice flames of war armies or 3-4 Bolt Action Armies. And I like their rules more. Why would I stick with 40k?

On topic, odds are you stumbled in on a non 40k day. Some players of other games have a very hostile view towards 40k, just like some 40k players have a very hostile view toward other games (as I'm sure you've noticed) It comes with the hobby. People like to form clicks and Love/hate of GW is a common divide. Just ignore it, play the games you like, and enjoy the game.

Ironically I'm posting this from a McDonalds

(Does anyone else find the GW/McDonalds comparisons a bit... Stupid? McDonalds is WAY cheaper than GW)

An mcdonalds is sup-par. atleast GW actually has a product the is good.

TheDraconicLord wrote:About your 6th edition rules question: No, me and the people I play with agree that 6th edition is fantastic. It was what got us playing after all and we love it.

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In one of my FLGS the 40k pop is a bit dead. WarmaHordes took it with a vengeance and one of the reasons seems to be it's cool to hate GW. Older players also seemed to give the excuse of "6th edition is terrible!" because their OP list of the old edition time is no longer OP. Hate GW all you want, but you can still play 40k and help the FLGS at the same time buying there, YOU -ers!.
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Ah well, I hope that changes.

I find the implication that people only play warmachine to hate on GW to be quite insulting, frankly. GW have done a lot to piss me off, and i've moved on, but its as much to do with their business practices as it is realising that 40k doesnt offer me what i really want out of gaming any more. ten years ago? Maybe. Now? Not so much. i want different things, and other games scratch those itches, whilst 40k sadly does not. 40k isnt "good". 40k isnt "bad". Its just not the game i (and many others) enjoy playing any more. But all power to you if you enjoy it.

its also quite insulting to suggest folks think sixth is terrible because their OP lists are invalidated, and nothing to do with dislikiing the direction GW took. random charges. random psychic powers. flyers. new fluff. you know, there are plenty reasons for folks to dislike an edition beyond "it nerfed my OP list". and you know what - its as OK to dislike an edition as it is to like it. theyre only preferences. people dont have to play 40k if they dont want to.

DeffDred wrote:
you can make the greatest game rules ever but if all the models have hands bigger than their torsos or look like half naked anime school girls you can count me out.

40k is as "heroic" as warmachine though! i feel as though i have to leap to defend the infinity models though- theyre hardly half naked. bar the caledonian lass with the grenade launcher. then again, you live in scotland as i do, and those things really dont seem all that far fetched! i think a lot of the power armoured models especially are really stunning in that game, but i suppose each to their own.

Many of the casters and warbeasts in WM look great. But god some of the infantry look horrid.

Deadnight wrote:

TheDraconicLord wrote:About your 6th edition rules question: No, me and the people I play with agree that 6th edition is fantastic. It was what got us playing after all and we love it.

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In one of my FLGS the 40k pop is a bit dead. WarmaHordes took it with a vengeance and one of the reasons seems to be it's cool to hate GW. Older players also seemed to give the excuse of "6th edition is terrible!" because their OP list of the old edition time is no longer OP. Hate GW all you want, but you can still play 40k and help the FLGS at the same time buying there, YOU -ers!.
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Ah well, I hope that changes.

I find the implication that people only play warmachine to hate on GW to be quite insulting, frankly. GW have done a lot to piss me off, and i've moved on, but its as much to do with their business practices as it is realising that 40k doesnt offer me what i really want out of gaming any more. ten years ago? Maybe. Now? Not so much. i want different things, and other games scratch those itches, whilst 40k sadly does not. 40k isnt "good". 40k isnt "bad". Its just not the game i (and many others) enjoy playing any more. But all power to you if you enjoy it.

its also quite insulting to suggest folks think sixth is terrible because their OP lists are invalidated, and nothing to do with dislikiing the direction GW took. random charges. random psychic powers. flyers. new fluff. you know, there are plenty reasons for folks to dislike an edition beyond "it nerfed my OP list". and you know what - its as OK to dislike an edition as it is to like it. theyre only preferences. people dont have to play 40k if they dont want to.

Fair enough. I admit, maybe my post was a bit too ... hateful, but it seems that in my area people like 40k but hate GW so they decided to move on. Sorry, I don't understand that line of thought when you are paying your FLGS, not GW, for your models.

But I do understand when people move on because they are tired of 40k / other game. If I spent 10 years playing it, I would be up for other games. Eck, I already am, I enjoy X-Wing and would love to try out Infinity because of the fantastic looking models. Yet, not playing because "GW is bad", is just frustrating.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Many of the casters and warbeasts in WM look great. But god some of the infantry look horrid.

It's the static poses that kill me. I can have a wider range of poses with my necrons and that's saying a lot, but I would love to paint some of the miniatures.

Game groups tend to be fickle, in 6 months those same guys will be playing another game and it could be 40k.

While there are always a lot of complaints when an edition change happens, locally I have seen a lot more resistance to this edition. Accurate or not, a lot of tournament players think 6th was a step backwards and locally tournaments drive the 40k scene.

I have to drive about an hour to get to a gamestore. Small town, what can you do. At least there are two within that radius. Likely going to be moving closer to one (for completely unrelated reasons!). It seems to me as if this one is definitely GW-centric. I asked some probing questions about whether they carried Mantic stuff, and the clerk seemed pretty negative towards it. So, I have a feeling this will be a play 40k or gtfo environment, we'll see (maybe).

More directly on topic, all three gamestores I've been able to get to in my area seem pretty GW/40k friendly. They all have a 40k night or people frequently playing 40k. So.. different places, different people.
Personally, I liked GW. I still like their fluff, most of their models, and 40k. I do not like their business practices. I'm liable to badmouth the company, but I wouldn't pick on someone for playing one of their games.