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Definitely hoping to get some great pics from GD UK this weekend. I actually like the test model and am amazed how close it resembles the artwork.

Actually, I think with the spikes cut off it would make a great guardian. And I'm ok with that. An even narrower torso would be OK as well - GW elves are a bit too chunky IMHO. I hope the loincloth is a detachable piece, as I like the Dire avenger ones better.

I like the armor quite a bit too.

Generated a side-by-side of the Eldar Jetbike Helmet next to the prototype Dark Eldar Helmet. To me, this really looks like a throw back to the 2nd ed/RT Guardians.

It would be. Same reason you don't see Chaos Marines in Mk 8 "Errant" armor, you won't see Dark Eldar in the newest Eldar armor variants.

A shout out to 2nd-edition Eldar makes sense to me.

SaintHazard wrote:It would be. Same reason you don't see Chaos Marines in Mk 8 "Errant" armor, you won't see Dark Eldar in the newest Eldar armor variants.

A shout out to 2nd-edition Eldar makes sense to me.

Yet but a lot of chaos helmets look more like the Mk7

There are no Mk6 or less helmets besides some funky ones such as iron warriors or bezerkers

kenshin620 wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:It would be. Same reason you don't see Chaos Marines in Mk 8 "Errant" armor, you won't see Dark Eldar in the newest Eldar armor variants.

A shout out to 2nd-edition Eldar makes sense to me.

Yet a lot of chaos helmets look more like the Mk7

There are no Mk6 or less helmets besides some funky ones such as iron warriors or bezerkers

Which I could never understand I guess they assume people don't want to paint them

Don't DE have ways to make their own armour? Why wouldn't they have the newest stuff..?

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Don't DE have ways to make their own armour? Why wouldn't they have the newest stuff..?

Full time armorsmiths try too steal from each other so much they have no time to make armor!

Armorsmiths? That doesn't sound terribly diabolical. Besides, since everyone on Comorragh is trying to kill you, you can only trust looted armor, and weapons you steal from other dead DE. Everything else is likely booby trapped, posioned, horribly flawed in one particular place, or all of the above.

Also, don't trust things you take from people that are easy to kill- they may have been deliberately armed and armored with trapped gear, since your enemy knows you'd easily kill them and would trust the gear from their bodies.

Really, it is a miracle that anyone on Comorragh is still alive.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Which I could never understand I guess they assume people don't want to paint them

Don't DE have ways to make their own armour? Why wouldn't they have the newest stuff..?

Because they're not Eldar.

Their craftsmen will make the most recent DE stuff. However, since they don't exactly jump on Skype for a chat session with the nearest Craftworld every week, their craftsmen will not be making the most recent Eldar stuff.

If you've got 2nd edition Eldar armor that splits off into DE and Eldar armor, Eldar armor will evolve into 5th-edition Eldar armor, but DE armor will NOT evolve into 5th-edition Eldar armor. It'll be something quite different.

Gitzbitah wrote:Armorsmiths? That doesn't sound terribly diabolical.

LOWL

I need to read up on DE fluff. I've read some of the codex stuff, but I've always kind of 'ignored' it, since it could be declared 'non-canon' at any time.

@ the warrior pic......

Shredder lives!

Perhaps we can have Kang in his robot suit as a HQ choice!

kenshin620 wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:It would be. Same reason you don't see Chaos Marines in Mk 8 "Errant" armor, you won't see Dark Eldar in the newest Eldar armor variants.

A shout out to 2nd-edition Eldar makes sense to me.

Yet but a lot of chaos helmets look more like the Mk7

There are no Mk6 or less helmets besides some funky ones such as iron warriors or bezerkers

I don't think its so much to say Dark Eldar are using older armor as it is that GW is divorcing more and more of the notion of Eldar pirates from the Craftworld Eldar and characterizing the Dark Eldar retroactively as those eldar, who in past were and continue to be pirates and raiders. So then its drawing the aesthetic parallel between the older models which represented Eldar as pirates and the Dark Eldar who now are.

Mk8 is a purely post Heresy armor, so if its floating around chaos it'd be very rare and most likely come off a more modern marine gone renegade as opposed to coming from one of the original 9 legions.

The previous versions of chaos marines had helmets that were more distinctly meant to represent older marks of armor. When Jes Goodwyn did the original cult marines for chaos he did concept art that specifically labeled deathguard, bezerkers, and emperor's children as having combinations of older marks of armor. Older Deathguard were largely Mk2 and Mk3, Older Emperor's Children were mostly Mk6, and Bezerkers MkV. Iron Warriors are generally suppose to be MkIII. This by no means is to say they use one type exclusively. Modern interpretations have phased out some of those visual distinctions. Part of why its difficult to recognize is because chaos doesn't just use those armor's components they use chaos stylized versions and a Mk5 stylized helmet, such as those on Niightlords, Bezerkers, and in the basic box just end up looking like Mk7.

Jes goodwin did the original CSM models? As in 3rd edition? Cool.

I don't know if he did "3rd edition." CSM. He just did alot of the conceptualizing as well as the first cult chaos marine models.

He's single handedly done mostl the design work that has made each factions aesthetic distinctive of each other. To anyone who doesn't have it. I highly recommend The Gothic and the Eldritch a now out of print compilation of his concept art put out by black library (I still can't believe he want dreadnoughts to have twinlinked assault cannons).

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Even if it is static, it looks purposeful (of evil intent!) . . . It looks Eldarish which is what it should imho

100% agree on both counts.

I'm a little troubled, however, to see how the model looks exactly like the art. I thought the word was that there had been significant redesign since that painting/drawing was done.

Nevermind:

Kroothawk wrote:Here the full quote:

Yup. That is the model we had the description of.
I didn't say it wasn't a Warrior. I said it was not a final version of a Warrior.
I said it was just one of the very early test (Concept) sculpts that Jes did.
I'm pretty sure that is a resin cast not plastic.
That is one of the sculpts that David Gallhager based the Warrior art on.

That is NOT a final warrior ... although some elements remain very similar they evolved a good bit.
Not least in the helmet department.
Generally speaking they have more detail.(...)
Yup.
This was just Jes's first swing at them.

I think that for a basic troops model, this is perfectly awesome. I expect when the new characters come out they wil be vastly more detailed and sinister looking, just like they are with every other line. The warrior looks great in my opinion, hats off to Mr Goodwin.

This thread is making me feel better and better.

Last night, I had a dream that I went down to the FLGS to see the new Codex: DE, only to discover that the new codex was not Dark Eldar at all, but something totally different.

Nooooooooooooo!

Instead it was... ANOTHER SPACE MARINE CODEX!!! AHHHHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH NO AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chaos0xomega wrote:Instead it was... ANOTHER SPACE MARINE CODEX!!! AHHHHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH NO AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, in my dream, it was. I was so sad :((

aka_mythos wrote:I don't know if he did "3rd edition." CSM. He just did alot of the conceptualizing as well as the first cult chaos marine models.

He's single handedly done mostl the design work that has made each factions aesthetic distinctive of each other. To anyone who doesn't have it. I highly recommend The Gothic and the Eldritch a now out of print compilation of his concept art put out by black library (I still can't believe he want dreadnoughts to have twinlinked assault cannons).

Coincidentally, these are being re-released! I can't believe how good these look for being so long ago. Much more style and flair than the current ones. I might actuallly pick up 2 or three sets of those new sets.

I believe they've already been out for some time.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440209a&prodId=prod890005a

Yep. I hate that they give you normal CSM backpacks instead of those cool ones above.

My word, you're right.

Gitzbitah wrote:Really, it is a miracle that anyone on Comorragh is still alive.

That's why they form gangs -- kults, kabals, etc. Mess with one, you mess with all. Once equilibrium sets in, you'd have a functioning society...of sorts.

Back on topic, the test model is a great start. If the design was further refined as rumored, I imagine they're going to be very, very nice.

If I could postulate a suggestion: close this thread the day of Gamesday and make a new one, so we have all of the newest information in the OP and can add to it as the day progresses and stuff gets revealed. I think this thread has served its purpose and we should start fresh.

bhsman wrote:If I could postulate a suggestion: close this thread the day of Gamesday and make a new one, so we have all of the newest information in the OP and can add to it as the day progresses and stuff gets revealed. I think this thread has served its purpose and we should start fresh.

+1

Wow. Just... Wow. I love these models, the warrior and the Incubi. Really, I wanna have their babies lol.

Gonna buy tons of these. I really don't think the warrior is too similar to current Warriors or Guardians. It's bulkier and much more detailed than current Warriors - no more skinny legs in smooth leggings lol thank goodness (or badness). And although the basic shape is very Guardian, there's plenty of Dark Eldar detail - I especially like the armour plates. It's quite surprising how this model looks almost identical to the 5th edition art, yet just the pose and the build make it look more dynamic and threatening.

Warriors could have looked more sadistic I guess, but it's clear that this isn't the final version of them, and the plastic box is bound to have loads of extra bitz.

I'm already considering the kitbashing opportunities. Not because these models are lacking, but because there are one or two nice bitz in the current Dark Eldar line (a couple of the helmets and chestplates were interesting) and I love the Dark Elf models, and I think there's loads of potential for creating really beautiful and unique conversions. I may also mix in some bitz from current Eldar and Rogue Trader Eldar to make corsairs and mercenaries.

Roll on November. I can't wait.

Does anybody have Jes' e-mail? Since GD hasn't started yet, maybe we can have him "fix" the Warrior head?

JohnHwangDD wrote:Does anybody have Jes' e-mail? Since GD hasn't started yet, maybe we can have him "fix" the Warrior head?

I think it's theheadisfine@thiswasaprototype.co.uk

JohnHwangDD wrote:Does anybody have Jes' e-mail? Since GD hasn't started yet, maybe we can have him "fix" the Warrior head?

Let me know too, so I can let him know the head looks awesome as it is, and have him "fix" the "fix."