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jonolikespie wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The 3D mock up pic looks exactly the same as the original GW model , i dont see how it "looked better"

It shows it at better angles.

Dont know about that... GW's original photo is clear enough to show the model , the rest are just... perspectives.
Which many people are able to tell without the 3D mock up , and again mentioned we still dont see the back :'<

wolfshadow wrote:Nice 3 d pic. certainly gives some perspective on it.
Not exactly a beautiful aircraft.

Heresy! The Hind is a truly menacing looking helicopter. Watch this sequence from '9th Company' (a Russian movie about the war in Afghanistan - jump to 7.22):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQvvarlN8A

and you'll see what I mean. This is an unflattering angle - rather as the angle of the Stormraven in the leaked photo may not show it in its best light.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The 3D mockup highlights even further how the wings/engine join to nothing, and how the model has no back. Hell, the 3D mockup even has holes in it because there's nothing for the whole rear assembly to connect to.

That may be because it's, y'know, a 3-D mock-up. As in someone's attempt to depict the model based on a single photo which doesn't show the rear. Not a strong basis for definitive judgments, but don't let that stop you

The mock-up actually suggests that the design is better proportioned than it seems in the leaked photo. It would be nice to know what is going on with the rear - I'm guessing some kind of grapple for the Dreadnought (as per the codex entry), which may fill some of the space under the tail.

Since we can't see in "the picture" all the "hopes" lie on how that back side handles the engine support and imbalanced look. Right now I'm kinda doubtful a single facet of the model can accomplish what is needed.

That picture was not a fake.Somebody messed up.Looked like all the other G.W piks.

Sorry, I read the couple but couldnt read all 19 pages...

can someone sum up... is this the real deal or a fake?

It appears to be the real deal.

Glad I dont use Marines!

I bet the new DE feel lucky they didnt get abused by the designer that came up with that.

Tortured-Robot wrote:Sorry, I read the couple but couldnt read all 19 pages...

can someone sum up... is this the real deal or a fake?

It's supposedly the "real deal" ... that's why all the ire and frustration is directed solely to GW and it's sculptor.

Maybe the "Wing and Engine" assembly is detachable ? Sort of like a glider to drop the entire brick front as some bunker or super-rhino and then it goes back for another one ? OK ... I'm just being silly. But so is the model

I suggest IG players get in some Hydras, and chuckle as the boxes fall from the sky.

Tortured-Robot wrote:Sorry, I read the couple but couldnt read all 19 pages...
can someone sum up... is this the real deal or a fake?

No problem, it is asked and confirmed on ALL 19 pages

Real, coming and a wise man would bet that a WD article will allow any (and all?) Space Marine Chapters use it.

Thank the powers that be that I went over to Chaos before this garbage happened *projectile vomit*

I don't get it. For two months, all I heard was "there's no model, there's no model, there's no model!" Buncha whining by people who don't feel like doing all that delicious converting. Now there is a model and they're still not happy. I'm really starting to think that GW fans like hating GW more than they like their favorite GW game...

why nit-pick when you can paint your hatred in broad strokes across the whole company

Prophecy07 wrote:I don't get it. For two months, all I heard was "there's no model, there's no model, there's no model!" Buncha whining by people who don't feel like doing all that delicious converting. Now there is a model and they're still not happy.

I'm going to assume you are not an idiot, and thus that you have merely overlooked the obvious.

There is more to a Stormraven than just having "Space Marine Stormraven" written on the box. We don't want one that costs $200, we don't want one that looks like it was made from Mega Blox, and we don't want one that requires excessive sanding or rescupting just to put together - any of these things would be deal breakers. We want a product that is at least adequate in every way.

I quite like it.

I bet when we see it from another angle the "gaps" will be filled in a bit.

My main problem is the turret, not sure about manned turrets on a marine vehicle, but a razorback turret would probably be a straight swap and look better, I reckon.

AlexHolker wrote:

Prophecy07 wrote:I don't get it. For two months, all I heard was "there's no model, there's no model, there's no model!" Buncha whining by people who don't feel like doing all that delicious converting. Now there is a model and they're still not happy.

There is more to a Stormraven than just having "Space Marine Stormraven" written on the box. We don't want one that costs $200, we don't want one that looks like it was made from Mega Blox, and we don't want one that requires excessive sanding or rescupting just to put together - any of these things would be deal breakers. We want a product that is at least adequate in every way.

agreed (except for the name calling part). i've been thirsty plenty of times in my life and wanted a cold drink but never thirsty enough to drink toilet water. the model GW is offering this thirsty gamer is *at best* the equivalent of new, mint in bowl toilet water. it might be potable with some serious conversion but not as is.

warboss wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:There is more to a Stormraven than just having "Space Marine Stormraven" written on the box. We don't want one that costs $200, we don't want one that looks like it was made from Mega Blox, and we don't want one that requires excessive sanding or rescupting just to put together - any of these things would be deal breakers. We want a product that is at least adequate in every way.

agreed (except for the name calling part). i've been thirsty plenty of times in my life and wanted a cold drink but never thirsty enough to drink toilet water. the model GW is offering this thirsty gamer is *at best* the equivalent of new, mint in bowl toilet water. it might be potable with some serious conversion but not as is.

Exactly. If we are "lucky" all it will take is a few sheets of plasticard and Valkyrie parts to make a good model. As I've never yet built one of their vehicles straight from the box, so I can't say that part worries me. But if it's overpriced, ugly AND requires a ton of work? Then, I reserve the right to call GW's design a complete FAIL.

I'd have been thrilled to shell out the $$$ for a few hot looking Stormraven kits. And that's even though I've built two conversions myself. But if this thing is actually half as much of an escapee from a bad kids cartoon as it looks to be, GW won't see a dime of that cash.

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that I REALLY want my Orks to fly around in this thing.

And those Lego Space hot rods look awesome!

Prophecy07 wrote:I don't get it. For two months, all I heard was "there's no model, there's no model, there's no model!" Buncha whining by people who don't feel like doing all that delicious converting. Now there is a model and they're still not happy. I'm really starting to think that GW fans like hating GW more than they like their favorite GW game...

If you are a "fan" you will love or hate anything GW does, because fans care and everyone else is apathetic. You will notice this of everything with a strong fan following not just GW... but love and hate are so closely entwined and come from the same emotional fount. The day people don't care is when GW should worry for then it will cease to be relevant in the lives of their customers.

As for complaints about "no models" and having to "convert," that stems from the wide berth that 40k and GW encompass; a matter of people prefering aspects of the hobby over others. These are people who enjoy the game and not necessarily the "hobby" of building and painting.

Prophecy07 wrote:I don't get it. For two months, all I heard was "there's no model, there's no model, there's no model!" Buncha whining by people who don't feel like doing all that delicious converting. Now there is a model and they're still not happy. I'm really starting to think that GW fans like hating GW more than they like their favorite GW game...

Wins thread.

I don't know how these are going to sell.

They'll sell well enough. First to people who absolute have to have the unit in their army regardless of looks. Then to the people who care about the aesthetics and are willing to convert the thing. People who "love" its unique charm will tend to be in the first category.

aka_mythos wrote:They'll sell well enough. First to people who absolute have to have the unit in their army regardless of looks. Then to the people who care about the aesthetics and are willing to convert the thing. People who "love" its unique charm will tend to be in the first category.

Sound reasoning. In my ultimate fantasy, GW leaked this pic in order to gauge the reaction to this model and will alter it based on the substantially negative response. Wouldn't that be nice?

Too bad its a pipe dream.

As much as I agree with the general feeling of meh about the vanilla model, it does look like it's a very good base for conversions of all types, not just as a base of a proper Stormraven, but for all sorts of other Marine vehicles, Chaos stuff and Orky junk. And I like it just for that particular trait.

snake wrote:I don't know how these are going to sell.

Maybe to the 40-50% people who rather liked the model in the polls, which included all people who have actually seen the model instead of just the pic

Didn't half of the people in that 40-50% think it was 'Okay'? 'Okay' doesn't sound much like 'Rather Liked'.

I am not saying it will sell bad, but this whole 40-50% of people liking it in the polls thing is rubbish.

terribletrygon wrote:Didn't half of the people in that 40-50% think it was 'Okay'? 'Okay' doesn't sound much like 'Rather Liked'.
I am not saying it will sell bad, but this whole 40-50% of people liking it in the polls thing is rubbish.

In the Warseer poll 17.54% voted "I love it, quite cool!" and 23.47% voted "I like it, a few minor issues though... ", making it 40+ % (not counting another 19.27% saying "I don't like it, although it's not that bad... ").
So no need to be rude.

BTW prowla over at Warseer posted this "real life Storm Raven" pic :

Kroothawk wrote:

terribletrygon wrote:Didn't half of the people in that 40-50% think it was 'Okay'? 'Okay' doesn't sound much like 'Rather Liked'.
I am not saying it will sell bad, but this whole 40-50% of people liking it in the polls thing is rubbish.

In the Warseer poll 17.54% voted "I love it, quite cool!" and 23.47% voted "I like it, a few minor issues though... ", making it 40+ % (not counting another 19.27% saying "I don't like it, although it's not that bad... ").
So no need to be rude.

I will give you Warseer, but I was entirely referring to Dakka Dakka. My bad though for not making that clearer.

And as for being rude;

Prophecy07 wrote:I don't get it. For two months, all I heard was "there's no model, there's no model, there's no model!" Buncha whining by people who don't feel like doing all that delicious converting. Now there is a model and they're still not happy. I'm really starting to think that GW fans like hating GW more than they like their favorite GW game...

So its like.. beggars cant be choosers?