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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/09 17:12:53
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Aeneades wrote:CMON now offer no quibble refunds for the entire amount up to 60 days and for the amount less Kickstarter / Amazon fees until it's actually posted out.
Unless it's for Sedition Wars. Then they will repeatedly ignore your emails and PMs until you get fed up and quit trying...
~Eric
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/09 18:39:31
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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And I don't think that is CMON's new policy at all - not even close!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/09 20:02:22
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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RogueSangre
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It is included in the FAQ over on the Zombicide Season 3 Kickstarter. I don't know if they are retroactively applying to the older kickstarters or not. Quote from page -
We can refund you within 60 days (fees included) of the end of the campaign (new Kickstarter feature), and we have a policy of no questions asked refunds after that less Kickstarter and Amazon fees (which we can't get back from them after 60 days) - provided we haven't begun packing your pledge for shipment (usually about 4 to 6 weeks before the actual shipping date). If a component cannot be delivered AT ALL (for example, on our previous project Relic Knights painted sets because Worthy Painting, the contractor supposed to paint, closed its doors), we refund that completely including fees. All refunds after the 60 days close of the campaign are processed via Paypal only. Within 60 days refunds are reversed either to your credit card or Amazon Payments account.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/09 20:43:22
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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That's a welcome policy.
Do they still have that somewhat ominous sounding language in their pledge manager though, about how if things change (materials?), or if you just don't like how things went from concept to mini, too bad?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 04:27:45
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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I'm pretty sure everyone is trying to forget Sedition Wars.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 04:33:38
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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I put more sed wars models together last week to compare then vs the relic knights stuff, actually.
Still not that upset by it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 08:08:22
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Bromsy wrote: Azazelx wrote: cincydooley wrote:I think it's clear the communication here could have been better, but again, they're not far from their estimate, and they'll most likely be on time.
I think some of complaints concerning this one are..... A bit much.
While I'm not bent out of shape, I do have to point out that "we're splitting shipping into waves - first the core set(s) and then (with no real date applied) will be all the stretch goals! In 2015 sometime." is really not "on time" or even near "on time. It's just the (now) usual bs to allow companies to say "we have begun shipping".
it's the new black. Apparently.
So... what are we mad about here? The kickstarter was for the initial two box sets.... if they ship those at or around when they said they would - that makes this among the better kickstarter projects as far as timing. Are we supposed to be mad that they didn't add the extra 450% of stuff and then still get all that out at the estimated shipping date for the original project?
Mad? Not mad, just a bit of a sigh.
They obviously had all of those extras planned out way in advance of the campaign (when they decided to break up the third boxed set - hence "mine cart"). Just because some people are easily satisfied by getting 20% of what they pledged for within a few months of the estimated delivery date doesn't mean that they're actually delivering on everything by shipping part of the project on time. Sorry, starting to ship part of the pledge at the end of the initial estimated delivery time.
Basically, it is what it is. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining and that it means they're somehow "on time".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 13:12:31
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Azazelx wrote:
Mad? Not mad, just a bit of a sigh.
They obviously had all of those extras planned out way in advance of the campaign (when they decided to break up the third boxed set - hence "mine cart"). Just because some people are easily satisfied by getting 20% of what they pledged for within a few months of the estimated delivery date doesn't mean that they're actually delivering on everything by shipping part of the project on time. Sorry, starting to ship part of the pledge at the end of the initial estimated delivery time.
Basically, it is what it is. But don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining and that it means they're somehow "on time".
Exactly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 13:40:56
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
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Honestly, the two waves I don't mind. In a hypothetical world where they barely made it past funding and were literally just doing the 2 base boxes and a very limited/small number of extras, I'd have hoped for full delivery in August.
Even as someone who suspects a bunch of stuff will end up condensed into a third big box (hell, maybe a fourth, pretty sure they have enough stuff) along with the expected smaller boxes where related themed stuff ends up, I think going to 2 waves over an extended period of time was a good idea.
Hell, I wish more KS campaigns did that! Recognized "oh wow, we went waaaaay over funding, promised them like 60% more stuff, we're going to need time here!" and tacked on an extra 6 months for full delivery. But in my ideal world, this wouldn't happen after the campaign, but during. Let people make informed choices. Much like Paulson did with Mecha Front; he flat out told us "look, if we get to X, it's going to need a few extra months, and if we get to Y, it's going to need even more time", and while we only got to X, I respect that he's brought in enough that it expanded the scope of work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 14:01:36
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Forar wrote:
Hell, I wish more KS campaigns did that! Recognized "oh wow, we went waaaaay over funding, promised them like 60% more stuff, we're going to need time here!" and tacked on an extra 6 months for full delivery. But in my ideal world, this wouldn't happen after the campaign, but during. Let people make informed choices. Much like Paulson did with Mecha Front; he flat out told us "look, if we get to X, it's going to need a few extra months, and if we get to Y, it's going to need even more time", and while we only got to X, I respect that he's brought in enough that it expanded the scope of work.
This, about 8 times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 14:22:25
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Forar wrote:Honestly, the two waves I don't mind. In a hypothetical world where they barely made it past funding and were literally just doing the 2 base boxes and a very limited/small number of extras, I'd have hoped for full delivery in August.
Even as someone who suspects a bunch of stuff will end up condensed into a third big box (hell, maybe a fourth, pretty sure they have enough stuff) along with the expected smaller boxes where related themed stuff ends up, I think going to 2 waves over an extended period of time was a good idea.
Hell, I wish more KS campaigns did that! Recognized "oh wow, we went waaaaay over funding, promised them like 60% more stuff, we're going to need time here!" and tacked on an extra 6 months for full delivery. But in my ideal world, this wouldn't happen after the campaign, but during. Let people make informed choices. Much like Paulson did with Mecha Front; he flat out told us "look, if we get to X, it's going to need a few extra months, and if we get to Y, it's going to need even more time", and while we only got to X, I respect that he's brought in enough that it expanded the scope of work.
To reiterate for the Nth time. I'm not saying that I'm mad, angry or pissed off. I'm basically just resigned to it. Well, annoyed perhaps, but that's more due to the gakky comms and complete lack of a date/quarter/year when the rest of the stuff will come than a split into waves or the three months(!) they'll take to send out the basic packages. Selling at Gencon? I couldn't give the slightest of feths.
But when people say "they delivered on time"... well, NO. No they didn't. It's partial delivery. Delivering only a fraction of the items (or starting to ship at the end of the estimated delivery month is not "delivered on time". Hell, it might be better than the average (and it is) - and it might even be reasonable most of the time - but it's still not "on time" so I just wish people would stop fething claiming that it is.
I agree that bumping out the fulfilment time for the stretch goals during the campaign as you said would be a good idea. Your earlier post was right on the money as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 14:39:01
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
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Never argued otherwise. I was speaking more broadly.
I agree that 2-3 months on shipping (particularly how they worded it) is strange, and wish they'd put out a nice big information packed update (doesn't have to include a pile of Work In Progress pics) to go over this, but it'll simmer and seethe for a while yet.
Easy there man, we're pretty much on the same side here.
I just wish in general companies would stop taking the piss when dealing with delivery time frames.
I was prepared to get my box mailed out in September. Adding the potential for October, however, took me a bit by surprise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/11 18:02:36
Subject: Re:Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Someone found this: Shadows of Brimstone: City of the Ancients $99.95 $66.49 http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/205264 Shadows of Brimstone: Swamps of Death $99.95 $66.49 http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/205265 Both set to ship in September.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 01:51:10
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
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Seems about right to me. ~1/3 off MSRP seems normal for CSI, and at around $135 for both boxes, that's $15 cheaper than the Outlaw, which has a simply gigantic pile of extras coming.
Not to say you're starting anything here, Alph, though it seems a little contentious in the KS comments, but just in general, that's good to know.
The only thing that stings is the delivery date, but for all we know that's based of old info, or CSI is just making one up (Amazon does this all the time). I'll start searching for pitchforks if they start delivering while backer boxes remain unsent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 01:54:27
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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I know that they never said 'backers first', but this, combined with all the other missteps, no pledge manager yet, and the lack of 'real' communications, well, they could be doing a lot better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 02:45:54
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Alpharius wrote:I know that they never said 'backers first', but this, combined with all the other missteps, no pledge manager yet, and the lack of 'real' communications, well, they could be doing a lot better.
Granted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 03:00:51
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
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Definitely.
That said, while I certainly wouldn't argue them selling a pallet or three to Gencon attendees, I would be rather put off if they were shipping to retail while backers were waiting. Their entire stance of how long it would take was based on how slowly cargo containers would come in and what their shipping service could handle.
"Oh, we just wanted to spread out 1000 boxes per two weeks while firing off crates for retail and online distribution" would be something entirely else.
It's a slightly uncharitable reading of things, and at a glance through their answers, doesn't seem to be contradicted anywhere, but I think it'd be stepping on a bit of a landmine.
Especially if shops have boxes in September while backers are still waiting into November or even December (even if they get them all in the mail by the end of October, there'll be plenty floating around for weeks after that).
Not trying to start anything here. Not "NERD RAGING", just pointing out, even if it's not precluded by their statements, it'd make them donkey caves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 11:10:48
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Forar wrote:
Easy there man, we're pretty much on the same side here.
I just wish in general companies would stop taking the piss when dealing with delivery time frames.
No, we're cool. I was just reiterating that my nerdrage is small right now, since there's a few people who like to put words and into others' mouths.
Alpharius wrote:I know that they never said 'backers first', but this, combined with all the other missteps, no pledge manager yet, and the lack of 'real' communications, well, they could be doing a lot better.
Mass retail before backers? That's ...interesting, and not entirely classy. A few steps beyond Gencon there, but let's be honest - it's in keeping with the way they ran the campaign and their post-campaign attitude.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 11:23:10
Subject: Re:Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well, Dark Gothic shipped pre-orders first and then retail copies, so I would assume Shadows of Brimstone will be handled the same way.
How long did it take Reaper to ship the basic (No options) pledges for Bones? Flying Frog is a similarly sized company so I'd think the timeframe will be in the same ballpark. Initial shipment would be pretty much "Are they Core A, Core B, or Outlaw?" and shipping the appropriate package.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 16:13:05
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Azazelx wrote: Alpharius wrote:I know that they never said 'backers first', but this, combined with all the other missteps, no pledge manager yet, and the lack of 'real' communications, well, they could be doing a lot better.
Mass retail before backers? That's ...interesting, and not entirely classy. A few steps beyond Gencon there, but let's be honest - it's in keeping with the way they ran the campaign and their post-campaign attitude.
This has been an exceptionally poorly ran post- KS campaign. Thoroughly unimpressed with FFP as a professional company.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/12 16:18:05
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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Let's not sharpen our pitchforks just yet. For all we know, their distributor was told they'd get the first crates out of the warehouse after backer fulfillment was covered, and that they expected to be done by the end of September (with October just covering for EU, whom would presumably be getting late retail as well?).
Not making excuses, I just think there's still a wee ways to go before things are truly dire.
I will 100% agree that their communications have been terrible. They were bad during the campaign, but now we're down to not only infrequent (monthly'ish) updates and dodging the PM issue/question, but 'drive by commentings' that leave way more questions open than provide answers.
Given that the last update was over 3 weeks ago, hopefully we get a really good one in the next week or twp, including some PM info (hell, the PM itself!), the rule book, and vastly more context on the shipping issue. I'm not expecting it, but it'd sure be nice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/13 03:46:51
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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There's the crux of (much of) the problem, really.
I will 100% agree that their communications have been terrible. They were bad during the campaign, but now we're down to not only infrequent (monthly'ish) updates and dodging the PM issue/question, but 'drive by commentings' that leave way more questions open than provide answers.
Given that the last update was over 3 weeks ago, hopefully we get a really good one in the next week or twp, including some PM info (hell, the PM itself!), the rule book, and vastly more context on the shipping issue. I'm not expecting it, but it'd sure be nice.
I think we'll get the PM after wave 1 at this point. Seriously. Since no extras are going to ship anyway it appears like they will view it as easier to ignore the distraction from shipping a dozen or two Wave 1 boxes each week over 6 months.  And they'll no doubt just ignore the outcry or bluntly state that extra copies of the base games that people might want to get via PM will just ship with the extras " sorry".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/21 13:03:57
Subject: Re:Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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I'll admit it - even though I *shouldn't* be surprised, I AM surprised that there's been no update here.
With Gencon and the start of shipping (allegedly) only a few short weeks away, is no news really good news here?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/21 13:16:05
Subject: Re:Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Alpharius wrote:I'll admit it - even though I *shouldn't* be surprised, I AM surprised that there's been no update here.
With Gencon and the start of shipping (allegedly) only a few short weeks away, is no news really good news here?
I can't even decide. I know they're going to have product at GenCon, and I know it'll probably be high quality, but the lack of info is pretty grating.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/21 13:35:08
Subject: Re:Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Even if it is 'bad news', they need to just get it out there already.
And...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 04:25:52
Subject: Re:Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Regular Dakkanaut
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New update is up, including rulebook pdf.
Sent in my email to get on the Gen-Con list even though I'll be volunteering at their booth.
Nice to see the models are hard plastic. When Jason said they'd be shipping on sprues I assumed but you never can tell.
Now let's just hope the finalized cards use the Dark Gothic finish rather than the Last Night on Earth finish.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 04:44:46
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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50 copies for KS backers is.... Not a lot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 05:04:53
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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RogueSangre
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Surprised at the lack of mention of an EU distribution centre / shipping container so worried that they are either doing a Myth or shipping from the US which is not EU friendly as promised (as a mine cart backer I could easily end up with very significant import tax if not sent from within the EU as promised during the campaign).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 05:27:58
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Aeneades wrote:Surprised at the lack of mention of an EU distribution centre / shipping container so worried that they are either doing a Myth or shipping from the US which is not EU friendly as promised (as a mine cart backer I could easily end up with very significant import tax if not sent from within the EU as promised during the campaign).
Check and see who distributes LNoE for them in the EU. They'll probably use them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/22 07:16:25
Subject: Shadows of Brimstone (Warhammer Quest like game with a Wild West v Cthulthu Mythos Setting) - KS
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RogueSangre
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RogueRegault wrote:Aeneades wrote:Surprised at the lack of mention of an EU distribution centre / shipping container so worried that they are either doing a Myth or shipping from the US which is not EU friendly as promised (as a mine cart backer I could easily end up with very significant import tax if not sent from within the EU as promised during the campaign).
Check and see who distributes LNoE for them in the EU. They'll probably use them.
I believe FFP use Esdevium within the EU which is fine for a retail release but I can't see them being up for doing the required work to sort and ship the kickstarter copies to backers. Whilst I can justify paying mine cart level for all the bits it comes with its much harder to justify when paying an extra $60-100 in tax per wave (or which there are at least two).
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