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To be honest, hobbits would be incredibly chatty with each other

 jreilly89 wrote:


Also, I consider myself pretty mindful. If I say "Hi" and you obviously don't want to talk, I'll leave you alone. It's pretty simple.

I would say that a VERY good percentage of people are the same in that regard. Hell, there are times where, even if I'm the one who says "hi" it's not really an invitation to speak further to me, you just happened to be closer into my personal bubble and manners sort of dictate that I greet you

About the original video.

Why would you just randomly say 'God bless you' to a stranger?

Also, generally it's rare for someone to chat up strangers completely at random, so most who do have some kind of ulterior motive. They may be salesmen or they may want a one night stand or whatever, or they might just want a conversation. I can only speak from personal experience, but when a completely random guy (or girl, though that would significantly reduce the odds that it's the second option) I will suspect ulterior motives unless another option is given.

It may seem a bit harsh. I might still talk with you (maybe - it depends entirely on what you say and do) but I am always careful with people I don't know.

 Ashiraya wrote:
About the original video.

Why would you just randomly say 'God bless you' to a stranger?

I haven't watched the video so I'm not certain about the context, but people often say "God bless you" when someone sneezes, although it's more often only "bless you", and I've only heard the 'Gby' version said by Americans. Here in the UK, at least, saying "bless you" when someone sneezes in public is more or less accepted as simply being polite. It's more likely to be said in a store queue or on a bus/train than whilst walking down the street, though. I can't think of anyone who'd go out of their way to run up to someone and say it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's hyperbole, and it extends to lots of different types of language. Trying to claim it has one meaning and one meaning only is why things like "Tumblr Ableism" exists.

So how exactly are you getting from "losing in a video game isn't really rape" to "words can't have multiple meanings"? I never said words can't have multiple meanings so somewhere you had to concoct that argument seperately. I just said I thought this specific bit of hyperbole was fairly stupid, and immature to boot.

 jreilly89 wrote:
My point was that avoiding any communication on the chance that said stranger is going to feel harassed is pretty damn silly. There is already a lack of community in America due to individualism and people feeling disenfranchised from society, but if people stop talking others on the basis that they might be harassing the other person, then we might as well just be hobbits and never leave the cave or talk to anyone.

Okay, and I think you have a perfectly valid point. I agree it's a bit sad that people don't speak to each other more. I think the reason for that in cities is primarily because there are too many people, so you have to ignore some of them, and eventually people just learn to ignore everyone. If you do start talking to someone it usually serves a purpose beyond just talking for fun (EDIT: what Ashiraya said). Obviously a lot of people are open and friendly, which I think is demonstrated by the train party video.


But I hope we can agree there is a difference between being polite and catcalling (even if it is difficult to prove). If you say hi to everyone then fair enough. If you're just singling out young women for attention then you might be acting like a jerk. Especially if you're doing it to every woman who walks past. It's one thing if you single someone out because there is something genuinely interesting about them (clothing, band t-shirt, or something they're doing). But if it's just "Oh hey, I noticed you had tits, and I find that fascinating about you. The last 200 women with tits I said hi to ignored me, but I though you might be different on account of me really liking tits".

As I said before, it is possible for 1 person to feel harassed by a group, even though each member of the group isn't doing enough to be considered harassing individually. I think that works both ways. It is also possible for 1 person to harass a group, even though what he says to each person might be quite minor. If you follow one of those guys around for 10 hours you might see him shouting boorish stuff at dozens of women all day long. There are plenty of guys who are like that, and they probably know who they are. So you end up with a situation where there is one group harassing another group, and that is the problem, not people politely saying hello.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
About the original video.

Why would you just randomly say 'God bless you' to a stranger?

I haven't watched the video so I'm not certain about the context, but people often say "God bless you" when someone sneezes, although it's more often only "bless you", and I've only heard the 'Gby' version said by Americans. Here in the UK, at least, saying "bless you" when someone sneezes in public is more or less accepted as simply being polite. It's more likely to be said in a store queue or on a bus/train than whilst walking down the street, though. I can't think of anyone who'd go out of their way to run up to someone and say it.

Especially since the woman in the video did not actually sneeze. Randomly saying it to someone who walks past is just... strange.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
About the original video.

Why would you just randomly say 'God bless you' to a stranger?

I haven't watched the video so I'm not certain about the context, but people often say "God bless you" when someone sneezes, although it's more often only "bless you", and I've only heard the 'Gby' version said by Americans. Here in the UK, at least, saying "bless you" when someone sneezes in public is more or less accepted as simply being polite. It's more likely to be said in a store queue or on a bus/train than whilst walking down the street, though. I can't think of anyone who'd go out of their way to run up to someone and say it.

Especially since the woman in the video did not actually sneeze. Randomly saying it to someone who walks past is just... strange.

Without the sneezing then yeah, it's an odd thing to just randomly say unless you've got some sort of religious tourette's.

The religious tourettes thing wouldn't surprise me.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
About the original video.

Why would you just randomly say 'God bless you' to a stranger?

I haven't watched the video so I'm not certain about the context, but people often say "God bless you" when someone sneezes, although it's more often only "bless you", and I've only heard the 'Gby' version said by Americans. Here in the UK, at least, saying "bless you" when someone sneezes in public is more or less accepted as simply being polite. It's more likely to be said in a store queue or on a bus/train than whilst walking down the street, though. I can't think of anyone who'd go out of their way to run up to someone and say it.

Especially since the woman in the video did not actually sneeze. Randomly saying it to someone who walks past is just... strange.

Because its an American thing apparently and ive seen and heard god bless you from women greeting strangers aswell...

 Ashiraya wrote:
About the original video.

Why would you just randomly say 'God bless you' to a stranger?

It's kind of an odd American religious thing. If you see enough of certain news outlets, you'll see that there's a "war" on Christianity, and some folks feel the need to show you how religious they are, or possibly guilt you into showing your own religion, etc.


This is of course, assuming you're not talking about a sneeze.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
About the original video.

Why would you just randomly say 'God bless you' to a stranger?

It's kind of an odd American religious thing. If you see enough of certain news outlets, you'll see that there's a "war" on Christianity, and some folks feel the need to show you how religious they are, or possibly guilt you into showing your own religion, etc.


This is of course, assuming you're not talking about a sneeze.

That and some people just genuinely want to wish you a nice day and use a religious saying for it.

I hate when people say "god bless" to me. My auntie in Ireland always says it when she hangs up the phone. As a non-religious and somewhat anti-religions person, it makes me feel quite uncomfortable. Kind of like someone greeting you with "Heil Hitler" when you're not a nazi. Or at least wishing you a merry Christmas when it isn't Christmas.

Though in the video I think I find the "Have a nice evening" guy the most confusing (about 40 seconds in). It's almost like walking up to someone and saying "Good bye!". I'm not really sure where he was going with that one.

And someone has just equated god bless you to Heil hitler. I think we can end this thread now

 Smacks wrote:
I hate when people say "god bless" to me. My auntie in Ireland always says it when she hangs up the phone. As a non-religious and somewhat anti-religions person, it makes me feel quite uncomfortable. Kind of like someone greeting you with "Heil Hitler" when you're not a nazi. Or at least wishing you a merry Christmas when it isn't Christmas.

Though in the video I think I find the "Have a nice evening" guy the most confusing (about 40 seconds in). It's almost like walking up to someone and saying "Good bye!". I'm not really sure where he was going with that one.

Yeah I got nothing to add here, you really just compared god bless you to heil hitler?

Sining wrote:
And someone has just equated god bless you to Heil hitler. I think we can end this thread now

You're welcome to leave any time. Or you could just stop trying to sensationalize every little comment into something it isn't. I don't like other people shoving their ideologies in my face, political or religious.

EDIT:

Bishop F Gantry wrote:
Yeah I got nothing to add here, you really just compared god bless you to heil hitler?

Ergh, whatever.

I find "God bless you" quite offensive and annoying. Some people who believe in god might find that difficult to understand, so I used an analogy. How would you feel if someone greeted you with "heil Hitler"? You would probably feel like interrupting them, and telling them that what they believe is ignorant, and that they need to shut the hell up! Well that is pretty much exactly how I feel when people say "god bless you" to me.

Please don't underestimate how much someone doesn't want to hear it.

While I would not compare it to Heil Hitler (Christianity may be responsible for far more deaths than Nazism but at least they don't have the same moral values, and there's significantly more difference between Christian and Christian than between Nazi and Nazi) I still would get really suspicious if someone decided to wish me a blessing.

If I walk past you and you say 'God bless you, ma'am' then I wonder: Do you say that to everyone? If no, why did you say that to me specifically?

Just to be clear. I wasn't comparing Christians to Nazis. I was just comparing my own personal revulsion at hearing either statement.

Nah. You Godwin'd, and you Godwin'd hard.

You've raised the bar by equating "God bless" with "Heil Hitler" in a thread where people are arguing that saying hello to someone is sexual harassment.

Good job Smacks, and God bless!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nah. You Godwin'd, and you Godwin'd hard.

You've raised the bar by equating "God bless" with "Heil Hitler" in a thread where people are arguing that saying hello to someone is sexual harassment.

Good job Smacks, and God bless!

Yeah, in a thread that already had nazi comparisons pages ago. I'm not really sure why you're so smug about it though. Are you saying that I don't find "god bless you" offensive?

EDIT: Also I didn't draw comparisons with anyone in this thread or anything that was part of the debate. You're actually misusing Godwin's law. It isn't Godwined just because someone says the word "Nazi"

Hail Satan to you too.

I'm a "militant atheist" myself and I never got some people's revulsion to innocent greetings just because they have a religious root. You can't just pretend that western culture isn't largely based on Christianity.

If anything, you should be amused that they're using His name in vain.

 Smacks wrote:

I find "God bless you" quite offensive and annoying. Some people who believe in god might find that difficult to understand, so I used an analogy. How would you feel if someone greeted you with "heil Hitler"?

Wow. Just wow. I...don't know what to say.

Not only are you unaware of "God bless you" being a common saying instead of a strictly religious one, you are a runner-up for the most offensive post at Dakka in Nov '14.

I am not Christian myself, neither is my wife, and still, we use terms that include "God" as they are a firm part of the language.

You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a post and your severe lack of any empathy is a sad sight in general.

 Sigvatr wrote:
You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a post, I am ashamed of Dakka having such users and your severe lack of any empathy is a sad sight in general.

Well that's rich coming from the man who makes hamfisted comments in every gender topic, saying transgender isn't a real thing. And isn't able to understand why a girl being hit on every 5 mins of the day might feel harassed. That's real lack of empathy.

Then you swoop in here on your high horse, trying to milk being offended, because ultimately I disagreed with you about the treatment of women. This is so typical of these discussions, male apologists will just latch on to anything to change the subject. Everything about you is shameful.

Equating "God bless you" with "Heil Hitler" is over the top.

That said, the "your severe lack of empathy" comment coming from -Sigvatr- of all people, is hands down one of the most hilarious things I've seen on Dakkadakka.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I am not Christian myself, neither is my wife, and still, we use terms that include "God" as they are a firm part of the language.

What part of Germany are you from?

Well, times like this you just want to say god bless you to Smacks.

But seriously, you couldn't have just found a less over-the-top comparison than heil hitler? Like "wassup bro" and "don't call me your bro"

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Equating "God bless you" with "Heil Hitler" is over the top.

That said, the "your severe lack of empathy" comment coming from -Sigvatr- of all people, is hands down one of the most hilarious things I've seen on Dakkadakka.

Not only that but, Smack's signature is a Charlie Chaplin quote which adds all sorts of irony when read. Exalted.

"We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost..."
--Charlie Chaplin

To be perfectly honest, shoving god down people's throats is rude so I can understand the angle Smack was going for though it is honestly way too over the top, considering it was about Nazis. I'm surprised though, considering the vast amount of subjects this forum covers that people actually let this get under their skin.

Still, I never understood the point of the feminism, (from first wave to third wave femnazis,) LGBT debates and religious debates being discussed on a website for toy soldiers. Especially considering how heated YMDC gets, and that is just discussing rules. Now we move to the OT forum where people actually have personal life stories and feelings mixed in, it becomes so heated that many lurkers just watch these threads with popcorn. They either end up with two sides yelling at each other till one gives up (forgeworld legality threads, armchair lawyers,) or until a mod locks it. Furthermore, a forum that is full of people who instead of countering points, they will actually google wikipedia articles for clauses and loopholes to beat their point over your head until they win, ie: people shouting "nice straw man," "some-thing fancy sounding syndrome," etc. They don't care if you are actually arguing with them even, any post above theirs aside from the OP and their own is a threat that must be purged by shouting and spewing verbal exterminatus at the top of their lungs until they win.

Anyways, I guess I should get back to being on topic. I suppose the quickest way to change the unwanted behavior is to change the overall culture. I don't see it changing anytime soon but, I'm all for it doing so. We should probably all get on topic again before RhodeIslandtides or someone else locks this for Rule #1 or whatever it is.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Equating "God bless you" with "Heil Hitler" is over the top.

Well, maybe I just feel more strongly about it than most people. I tried to explain how uncomfortable it makes me feel, but it seems even my explanation was apparently offensive. But It wasn't a hyperbolic parallel, they literally do make me feel about as uncomfortable as each other. I feel like I'm expected to say it back, but I don't want to because I don't believe it. If people are offended by me not like their religion, there isn't really much I can do about that.

However, it wasn't my intention to offend people. Clearly it was wrong of me to say what I said, so I'm sorry everyone.

EDIT:

Sining wrote:
But seriously, you couldn't have just found a less over-the-top comparison than heil hitler? Like "wassup bro" and "don't call me your bro"

I'm sorry, I should have gone for maybe "Hail Satan" from the beginning, but Nazis were the only ideology I could think of that pretty much everyone universally dislikes (and which has their own greeting). I don't really mind people calling me "bro" that wouldn't have been a good analogy.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Equating "God bless you" with "Heil Hitler" is over the top.

That said, the "your severe lack of empathy" comment coming from -Sigvatr- of all people, is hands down one of the most hilarious things I've seen on Dakkadakka.

Yeah, I was browsing on mobile Dakka and had to refresh the page, because the name next to the post couldn't be right, and I thought it must have glitched or something.

Either way, y'all are using Godwin wrong. For one because Godwin was mentioned way, way back in the thread (you can't Godwin a thread that's already been Godwinned), and for another, why are you getting all offended at the slightest mention of the word Hitler? This isn't Tumblr, and considering how much derision you seem to have for people who are needlessly offended, you guys seem to be showing some pretty thin skin.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good job Smacks, and God bless!

Someone states that they absolutely hate being told 'God bless you'. You then immediately make a point of saying 'God bless' to them. Classy.

 Goliath wrote:
Someone states that they absolutely hate being told 'God bless you'. You then immediately make a point of saying 'God bless' to them. Classy.

After they equated saying "God bless" to saying "Heil Hitler".

Come. On.



Really, Smacks essentially did this with the comparison. Like full on, totally owning the whole idiotic comment.