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The Metal Tide wrote:It didn't have +2 strength but the units that came with warscythes were strength 5 pariahs and strength 5 lords so they did have strength 5 to go with.

So you used to have:
S5 +2D6 = 7-17

And now have
S7 +1D6 = 8-13

As the highest armor in the game is 14 and the lowest is 10, I'll trade the 4 off the top to gain one on the bottom, honestly...

Oh, good. The way the Royal Court rules read, a unit can have a courtier from each court you have. So if you really want a Resurrection Orb and Lightning Field in the same unit, you can! (as long as you have two Overlords)

Except you do still get 2D6 AP. You really do.

Confirmed in the German codex

So you now have S7 + 2D6 = 9 - 19. Better than my daemon prince!

Farquestor: it keeps its 2d6; it only lost the ability to ignore invuln saves.

lazarian wrote:

darkslife wrote:I would say making praetorians usable.

As it stands, I will not be using them.

Elite hand to hand unit with 1 attack is sad.

They have 2 attacks on the GW profile, I dont have the book till tomorrow so if they were going to be 1 A then my apologies. I will also admit though praetorians seem less useful being multipurpose than other more streamlined units although the entropic strike rules as presented in the book do mean they will mulch vehicles more effectively than most assault forces.

Praetorians are have one attach each. They are bad. Real bad.

Farquestor wrote:

The Metal Tide wrote:It didn't have +2 strength but the units that came with warscythes were strength 5 pariahs and strength 5 lords so they did have strength 5 to go with.

So you used to have:
S5 +2D6 = 7-17

And now have
S7 +1D6 = 8-13

As the highest armor in the game is 14 and the lowest is 10, I'll trade the 4 off the top to gain one on the bottom, honestly...

the 2d6 is confirmed via people with the English codex as well. They will tear through armor with pretty relative ease.

Yeah, I'll take 9-19 better...

Time to go screw up my local SM players... They like my their vehicles too much...

Edit: NVM was too late toe the party.

The warscythe sounds awesome. Too bad the Lychguard will be built, in most cases, with a shield instead.

The Metal Tide wrote:The warscythe sounds awesome. Too bad the Lychguard will be built, in most cases, with a shield instead.

This is what magnets are for.

C'tan can take their CC strikes as entropic. What is the point when they are strength 7 with 2D6 against armour penetration.

The Metal Tide wrote:C'tan can take their CC strikes as entropic. What is the point when they are strength 7 with 2D6 against armour penetration.

Hit a multi wound model/MC before the rest of the Necrons swarm over it?

The Metal Tide wrote:The warscythe sounds awesome. Too bad the Lychguard will be built, in most cases, with a shield instead.

I will be using overlords with warscythes on command barges.But yes, Lychguard will rip apart any vehicle. But I think pretorians will serve my army list better.

The Metal Tide wrote:C'tan can take their CC strikes as entropic. What is the point when they are strength 7 with 2D6 against armour penetration.

If the vehicle isn't dead by the end of the assault phase, it will certainly be dead in the shooting phase.

King Pariah wrote:

The Metal Tide wrote:The warscythe sounds awesome. Too bad the Lychguard will be built, in most cases, with a shield instead.

This is what magnets are for.

Ive never done it. Is there anything on dakka to show newbies to magnets how to magnet and pin.

If that even makes sense.

Hm, looking at the Ward codices, could it be that he doesn't like swords? Blood Angels got glaives encarmine, which are just sad, instead of relic blades. For PA Grey Knights swords are crappy standard equipment that does nothing special (compared to other Nemesis Force Weapons). For TA Grey Knights it's a bit better but I believe most people who have the points will invest into halberds. Now for the Necrons the one sword they have is just a power weapon with a fancy name. Their warscythes are the crown of melee weapons.

I guess I will try to convert a hyperphase blade with a power source to use it as a warscythe....

God Aeonstaves are dirty good.

Griever wrote:

lazarian wrote:

darkslife wrote:I would say making praetorians usable.

As it stands, I will not be using them.

Elite hand to hand unit with 1 attack is sad.

They have 2 attacks on the GW profile, I dont have the book till tomorrow so if they were going to be 1 A then my apologies. I will also admit though praetorians seem less useful being multipurpose than other more streamlined units although the entropic strike rules as presented in the book do mean they will mulch vehicles more effectively than most assault forces.

Praetorians are have one attach each. They are bad. Real bad.

We they can have a Pistol and a CCW, bringing them up to two attacks/model (with a rending and entropic weapon, basically and assault squad that can do what no other assault squad in the game can do.)

Or they can have 6" 5/2 Power weapons. Elite infantry decimaters. (.2875 wounds/shot against TEQ and .44 wounds/shot against MEQ).

I really think either weapon load out has potential. At 40pts/Model they are right in line with most elite jump infantry (DC comes to mind, 35pts/model if I'm not mistaken). Comparing them to a DC they have -1WS +1Str +1T -1A -2I no furious charge but no electronic football rules either, RP instead of FNP and come with an upgraded weapon for 5 pts more. I dunno that sounds about right to me.

Now they will certainly be a finesse unit, especially with the 6" weapon, but a AP 2 weapons are never ever "bad." Like Ever. A shooty weapon that always ignores armor saves=good IMHO, regardless off the limited range.

To each his own I guess, but I definitely see giving a unit of these a try. Cronies need a pre-emptive assault unit, and these are the only real mobile option in the Dex.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:Farquestor: it keeps its 2d6; it only lost the ability to ignore invuln saves.

The pariahs warscythe also had a built in 24" range S5 AP4 assault 2 range attack as well

ShadarLogoth wrote:
People said silly crap like that when the DE book was coming and then Dash proceeded to become one of the top generals in the world with that same book.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Another question to be moved to YMDC tomorrow, But here seems to be the proper place for now.

Codex Page 59 wrote:If Trazyn is removed from play as a casualty, roll a D6...

So, clearly since this is done in response to getting killed, and takes place before the end of phase, as such, would preempt RP.

Two questions then arise:

Codex Page 59 wrote:On a score of 1, remove Trazyn from play as normal

The idea was posted by Yak, but I was just looking for peoples opinions now that the codex is available. This means that he can then take his Ever-Living RP roll at the end of Phase?

Additionally,

Codex Page 59 wrote:If the score is 2 or more, randomly choose another model from... ...Remove the nominated model from play as a casualty and return Trazyn to play in it's place...

Taken with the rules for reanimation protocols,

Codex Page 29 wrote:If a model with Reanimation Protocols is removed as a casualty...

It would follow that the model he replaces gets to make his own RP roll at the end of phase?

Thoughts?

It sounds legit but how is he going to reanimate? Becoming a living boil named susan?

It would follow that the model he replaces gets to make his own RP roll at the end of phase?

Thoughts?

No. It says he takes control of the body, morphing it to his shape. The existing model is now him. there is no damaged necron body to be reanimated

Edit: He can even live hidden inside another necrons (including overlords), taking control when he needs to and pushing the consciousness of the other necron to the side.

Hox wrote:

It would follow that the model he replaces gets to make his own RP roll at the end of phase?

Thoughts?

No. It says he takes control of the body, morphing it to his shape. The existing model is now him. there is no damaged necron body to be reanimated

While I agree from a fluff perspective, the fluff=/=rules in this game. Otherwise flyers would be immune to melee attacks, and the monolith would crush any units it lands on.

Hox wrote:

No. It says he takes control of the body, morphing it to his shape. The existing model is now him. there is no damaged necron body to be reanimated

Edit: He can even live hidden inside another necrons (including overlords), taking control when he needs to and pushing the consciousness of the other necron to the side.

Fluff vs. rules. According to the rule quotes I would say it's legal. That it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.... Hey, they are still Necrons whose warscythes proudly slowed down Wyches and Ragnar Blackmane to the point where they couldn't evade attacks anymore.

discountbarber wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:
People said silly crap like that when the DE book was coming and then Dash proceeded to become one of the top generals in the world with that same book.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I'm sorry is that statement inaccurate in someway?

I think the ideal solution would just be to let him make his own RP roll, and then if it fails, he then does the body swap shenanigans, and the guy he replaces is boned. However, how the rules are interpreted are never ideal.

It says remove the other model from play guys. Common sense please. I really dont know who you people are playing where that you need to be rule nazis. It makes sense to get rid of the other model so thats probably what you should do.

Hox wrote:It says remove the other model from play guys. Common sense please. I really dont know who you people are playing where that you need to be rule nazis. It makes sense to get rid of the other model so thats probably what you should do.

Well, it *appears* that RAW the model would get a RP roll, but I think RAI and common sense says he does not.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

Hox wrote:It says remove the other model from play guys. Common sense please. I really dont know who you people are playing where that you need to be rule nazis. It makes sense to get rid of the other model so thats probably what you should do.

Well, it *appears* that RAW the model would get a RP roll, but I think RAI and common sense says he does not.

Fair, I just couldnt see any time where I would be willing to argue the reasoning behind rules with an opponent. Maybe thats just me and the people I play with.