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I heard some cool stuff about this model! First off I heard that its dimentions is "suppose" to be six feet by at least a 3 ft shoulder length. Its easily more massive than anything else ever.

I also heard that its suppose to be the most powerful model ever made by GW...FW or whomever came up with the rules. But I do not know where to look for the rules.

Like its fairly easily capable of wiping out at least 6k of points of armies by itself from its sheer firepower alone and is almost impossible to kill.

How powerful is it exactly? Is it really the over powered model that no one can build because of cost?
Are there updated rules for 6th edition?

What is the real scoop on this models rules?

I think it is 4 feet. As for the ruleset, I think this is it.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2440056_Imperial_Datasheet_-_Emperor_Battle_Titan.pdf

Fairly destrutive, but has a huge minimum range, rendering it useless against close foe.

 Vasarto wrote:
I heard some cool stuff about this model! First off I heard that its dimentions is "suppose" to be six feet by at least a 3 ft shoulder length. Its easily more massive than anything else ever.

While the Imperator is indeed the largest of GW's titans, in 40K scale it comes out to around 3' tall. Not 6, and definitely not 8.

I also heard that its suppose to be the most powerful model ever made by GW...FW or whomever came up with the rules. But I do not know where to look for the rules.

There aren't any official rules for 40K, because it's never been made for 40K. It was from the Epic game.

Yeah its pretty beastly. Dont forget that youre playing it only in an apoc game and that the person that brings it likely wont be taking anything else and that it will be a HUGE target for then enemy team.

It's so much of a target it probably won't live that long. You'll have everyone from Joe McAverage and his Lascannon to Superman von Chesticles and his mega-ultra-laser-tank-gun-of-doom firing at it the first chance they get.

insaniak wrote:
There aren't any official rules for 40K, because it's never been made for 40K. It was from the Epic game.

ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:I think it is 8 feet. As for the ruleset, I think this is it.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2440056_Imperial_Datasheet_-_Emperor_Battle_Titan.pdf

Fairly destrutive, but has a huge minimum range, rendering it useless against close foe.

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The arm weapons can fire straight down, and the only weapons worth taking are the Hellstorm Canno, Vengeance Cannon and Plasma Annihilator which have no minimum range.

 purplefood wrote:
Superman von Chesticles and his mega-ultra-laser-tank-gun-of-doom

This needs to be a thing. At the very least a cartoon.

...They made a model out of it and the Warlord?

I thought those were scratch build only?

Anyway, the Imperator is over twice the height of the warlord, which would roughly be around 3.5' feet tall, so the Imperator stands at a good two meters in 40k scale.

There are rules. No official models.

There are a few that people have scratchbuilt.

Only epic models for this exist...will Hayes, the best sculptor forgeworld has, has expressed interest in doing a warlord project (one class below) but it will probably be a few more years due to the hours heresy stuff.

Several 40K scale models:

 Kain wrote:
...They made a model out of it and the Warlord?

I thought those were scratch build only?

Anyway, the Imperator is over twice the height of the warlord, which would roughly be around 3.5' feet tall, so the Imperator stands at a good two meters in 40k scale.

No, fail, wrong.

Going by the scale charts on both the Warlord datasheet and Emperor Titan datasheet, they are NOWEHERE NEAR 2 metre!

The Warlord is usually described as 1.5 the height of a Reaver Titan (16"), give or take, so would put it at roughly at 24" tall, and its scale chart in the old Apocalypse book shows similar comparison when compared to the Warhound Titan at 10.5"

The Emperor's fluff height varies. I've seen entries on wikis that quote them as 150ft, to 400ft, to 150metres to even an enormous 400m.

That said, the scale chart puts the model if you convert one, somewhere between 3 Warhounds (31.5") and 4 Warhounds (42")

A safe bet would be somewhere around 36", which makes it 3 times the height of a Reaver, and 1.5 the height of a Warlord.


2 metres! Good god man! Maybe a Strike Cruiser from nose to engine! Not a 28mm scale Titan! Sorry if I come off a little rude, but I am just flabberghasted really.

A good scale shot with official Epic miniatures (other than the Warlord is one of the 1st edition beetlebacks) that you can extrapolate a 40K size from:

There's no way that Titan will ever get shoes. His feet are too big!

 Deadshot wrote:

 Kain wrote:
...They made a model out of it and the Warlord?

I thought those were scratch build only?

Anyway, the Imperator is over twice the height of the warlord, which would roughly be around 3.5' feet tall, so the Imperator stands at a good two meters in 40k scale.

No, fail, wrong.

Going by the scale charts on both the Warlord datasheet and Emperor Titan datasheet, they are NOWEHERE NEAR 2 metre!

The Warlord is usually described as 1.5 the height of a Reaver Titan (16"), give or take, so would put it at roughly at 24" tall, and its scale chart in the old Apocalypse book shows similar comparison when compared to the Warhound Titan at 10.5"

The Emperor's fluff height varies. I've seen entries on wikis that quote them as 150ft, to 400ft, to 150metres to even an enormous 400m.

That said, the scale chart puts the model if you convert one, somewhere between 3 Warhounds (31.5") and 4 Warhounds (42")

A safe bet would be somewhere around 36", which makes it 3 times the height of a Reaver, and 1.5 the height of a Warlord.


2 metres! Good god man! Maybe a Strike Cruiser from nose to engine! Not a 28mm scale Titan! Sorry if I come off a little rude, but I am just flabberghasted really.

A strike cruiser is roughly 3km long, and so would be about the size of your car.

A 15km Battleship would be what...the size of an abrahms tank?

QUICKLY.... SOMONE MATHHAMMER A BATTLEBARGE AND STRIKE CRUISER INTO REAL WORLD FROM 28MM!

I realllllyyyy want to see this happen

fidel wrote:
QUICKLY.... SOMONE MATHHAMMER A BATTLEBARGE AND STRIKE CRUISER INTO REAL WORLD FROM 28MM!

I realllllyyyy want to see this happen

Well, finding size comparisons for 40k stuff is always a nightmare, but one guy did a lot of research and claims that a strike cruiser is about the size of a Lunar class ship, except a little chunkier. That makes it about 6-8km keel length. battle barges are significantly harder, and the more spaceborne chapters obviously have bigger stuff, but he estimated a size of about 15 km as a good "baseline", to put them as slightly bigger than a standard navy battleship.

Doing some really quick MS Paint math, I would estimate the "height" of said ships at their tallest points (i.e. back near the engines where they get wider) to be 5.3 km for the battle barge and 2.85 km for the strike cruiser. I could only get side views, not top, so for width you're on your own.

Apparently a Warlord is about 100 ft tall given the scale drawings in the Apoc rulebook, and it should have a 24" mini. When I did the math on that I ended up with a scale of exactly 50:1 (when applied in a meter to meter context)

Thus a strike cruiser will be about (7*1000/50)= 140 meters long and 57 meters high. The mighty battle barge will be 300 meters long and 106 meters high.

Good luck...

 Kain wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Kain wrote:
...They made a model out of it and the Warlord?

I thought those were scratch build only?

Anyway, the Imperator is over twice the height of the warlord, which would roughly be around 3.5' feet tall, so the Imperator stands at a good two meters in 40k scale.

No, fail, wrong.

Going by the scale charts on both the Warlord datasheet and Emperor Titan datasheet, they are NOWEHERE NEAR 2 metre!

The Warlord is usually described as 1.5 the height of a Reaver Titan (16"), give or take, so would put it at roughly at 24" tall, and its scale chart in the old Apocalypse book shows similar comparison when compared to the Warhound Titan at 10.5"

The Emperor's fluff height varies. I've seen entries on wikis that quote them as 150ft, to 400ft, to 150metres to even an enormous 400m.

That said, the scale chart puts the model if you convert one, somewhere between 3 Warhounds (31.5") and 4 Warhounds (42")

A safe bet would be somewhere around 36", which makes it 3 times the height of a Reaver, and 1.5 the height of a Warlord.


2 metres! Good god man! Maybe a Strike Cruiser from nose to engine! Not a 28mm scale Titan! Sorry if I come off a little rude, but I am just flabberghasted really.

A strike cruiser is roughly 3km long, and so would be about the size of your car.

A 15km Battleship would be what...the size of an abrahms tank?

fidel wrote:
QUICKLY.... SOMONE MATHHAMMER A BATTLEBARGE AND STRIKE CRUISER INTO REAL WORLD FROM 28MM!

I realllllyyyy want to see this happen

Assuming 1:64 scale a 3km long cruiser would be...



47 Metres (150ft)


At that size it would be cheaper to buy one of these and stick votive icons all over it





Amd if you want a 15km battleship at 1:64 scale, look into giving the HMS Belfast a paintjob






Edit:


Sorry I underestimated, Belfast is only half size



This is a 15km Imperial Navy battleship in 1:64 scale

Am I mistaken or is the Emperor and Imperator also debated on if they are the same or different Titans?

I was under the impression that the Imperator-class was a larger Titan than the Emperor-class

Imperator means Emperor.
They are the same class there are just different names for the class.

Imperator is one of the main sub-classes of Emperor, the other is the Warmonger.

 purplefood wrote:
Imperator means Emperor.
They are the same class there are just different names for the class.

Imperator means Emperor in High Gothic/Latin, but its a pattern of EBT designed for all purpose fire platforms and close assault.

As mentioned the other pattern is a Warmonger which is solely designed for long range shoot-outs beyond the range of other Superheavies, including Titans. If you think that's impossible, it can have a Doomsday Missile Launcher that has a range of a might 540"!!! That's over 13 metres!

Indeed, there are several patterns of Emperor Titan. Which can lead to confusion.

Can lead to confusion?
Its GW, thats not a mistake its a feature.

The new Apoc book for example, has Warhounds and Reavers, no Warlord and no Imperator. If youre not carefully looking for other classes and types than the 2 of the book it will be easy to miss the few lines.

( plus, someone managed to localize the Emperor class.. points at flag. )

OtoH, they included history of some Titan Legions.
Sadly another work of and ..

 1hadhq wrote:
Can lead to confusion?
Its GW, thats not a mistake its a feature.

This is not true. Not GW's fault. The fact is people confuse the name "Imperator" to be interchangable with "Emperor." This is people's fault, not GW.

The fact they have many different patterns, like all vehicle classes, is not strange. However, as Imperator pattern is the one designed for close(r) range combat than the other main pattern (which is too far) the Warmonger, the Imperator pattern appers in books more. As some people have basic understanding of Latin, or google translate, and see Imperator to mean Emperor they think the names are interchangable.

However big there are game-wise, fluff-wise they're a bit daft. They could probably be taken out by three Guardsmen and an Ogryn, the way they seem to get regularly trashed by a couple of Titans that are supposed to be melted pools of radioactive slag five seconds into the encounter judging by the build up to the showdown you get in the novels.

The one in Mechanicus does OK, though. Well, until it gets its legs melted off by a volcano.

Fluffwise BL can't really get them right. If they tried to portray them as the game-background does, then the story would be boring. If they were antagonists, the protagonist characters and Titan (Legion) should be scrap within a paragraph. And if the protagonist Legion had them, then the story is boring because there is no struggle.

I think I read it on 40k Wiki, but I'm not so don't quote me, that Emperor Titan's void shields, armour and firepower are so great that they can even trade fire with low orbiting spacecraft. Not capital ships live Emperor class Cruisers and Battlebarges, but a Strike Cruiser.

They are strong enough to resist orbital bombardment and carry some weapons that can be found on space ships, but I don't think they have any practical surface to space fire capabilities.

Obviously it wouldn't be your first choice but still, my point is that EBT have such God-stopping levels of firepower that if fluff was rigigly adhered to, any BL novel would have the side with the EBT win almost instantly.

Although, what I would really like to see is EBT vs EBT, maybe in multiples.

 Grey Templar wrote:
They are strong enough to resist orbital bombardment and carry some weapons that can be found on space ships, but I don't think they have any practical surface to space fire capabilities.

I think they have a defense laser mounted in that cathedral to shoot at space ships.