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I couldn't disagree more that Imperium is inefficient. Many Imperium based organisations are very model of how things should be done. Problem comes not from Imperium, but from its independent planets which often are run incompetently. Also, bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is an necessary evil in order to at least have any solid rule over millions of planets. Even in real life, there is little to nothing that would be more efficient for the Imperium to use than bureaucracy.


I have been thinking about Titans sizes again. I was shocked then I have heard people talking about 60 metres tall Emperor class titans. Such constructs would be simply too small to justify their rarity. Emperor class titans should be an extreme resource and time drain due to their rarity on a battlefields. If that isn't the case, then why they are so rare on a battlefield? Most certainly, planets who are dedicated to industry should just mass-produce in their thousands at very least. Due to their low material costs and damage that they can inflict (even lower level titans impact is significant) as seen in ''Titianicus" novel that would make Imperium totally unbeatable.

I'm looking at skyscrapers to better imagine possible sizes of them and for me, it seems appropriate to put such constructs at up to 1km in height.

60m? Emperors? Nay. Try 150+. 60 for Warlords as a rough estimate is the usual figure.


Emperor Titans are just too complex, difficult to build and expensive to mass produce. Even Warhounds are massively expensive and difficult to build more than two or three at a time.

The Emperor Titan in Helsreach was 63 meters tall, but IMO that's just ADB being ridiculous.

 Deadshot wrote:
60m? Emperors? Nay. Try 150+. 60 for Warlords as a rough estimate is the usual figure.


Emperor Titans are just too complex, difficult to build and expensive to mass produce. Even Warhounds are massively expensive and difficult to build more than two or three at a time.

this. I thnk you are thinking a size down if you think the largest titn is only 60m

 Ernestas wrote:
I have been thinking about Titans sizes again. I was shocked then I have heard people talking about 60 metres tall Emperor class titans. Such constructs would be simply too small to justify their rarity. Emperor class titans should be an extreme resource and time drain due to their rarity on a battlefields. If that isn't the case, then why they are so rare on a battlefield? Most certainly, planets who are dedicated to industry should just mass-produce in their thousands at very least. Due to their low material costs and damage that they can inflict (even lower level titans impact is significant) as seen in ''Titianicus" novel that would make Imperium totally unbeatable.

I'm looking at skyscrapers to better imagine possible sizes of them and for me, it seems appropriate to put such constructs at up to 1km in height.

Comparing the Epic Warhound and Imperator, and scaling that up based on the 40K Warhound puts the Imperator at around 75 to 80m tall. 1km is so far out of the ballpark that it never even saw the ball.

Rarity doesn't have to be a result of being improbably large. Imperators are rare because they are incredibly complex to build.

I for example like Titans being massive. It fits lore which describes them as all-destroying god machines.

Their complexity alone also hardly justifies their low rate of production. By making only one Emperor class titan I think that it's enough to streamline the process of making more of them. Knowing that tech-priests are walking computers, it's reasonable to assume that all information on how to make them should be gathered from only one prototype. Also, tech-priests see them as avatars of Omnissiah due to machines complexity and power. Due to that, I think there should be no idealogic or religious reasons why all data stored in their memory HHDs wouldn't be used to mass produce them.

 Ernestas wrote:
Such constructs would be simply too small to justify their rarity. Emperor class titans should be an extreme resource and time drain due to their rarity on a battlefields. If that isn't the case, then why they are so rare on a battlefield?]

BaconUprising wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
60m? Emperors? Nay. Try 150+. 60 for Warlords as a rough estimate is the usual figure.


Emperor Titans are just too complex, difficult to build and expensive to mass produce. Even Warhounds are massively expensive and difficult to build more than two or three at a time.

this. I thnk you are thinking a size down if you think the largest titn is only 60m

That is quite the opposite of what I said. I said the ballpark figure for Warlord Titans is around 60m. Who are no where near the largest.

Lexicanum wrote: The superheavy Battle Titans called Emperor Titans are subdivided into two known classes, the "Imperator"-class Titan
and "Warmonger"-class Titan
. Of these, the "Imperator"-class Emperor Titan is a general-purpose assault platform, whereas the "Warmonger"-class Emperor Titan is a dedicated fire-support unit with advanced fire control and targeting systems. Both are extremely powerful weapon systems and are often unmatched by an enemy force on any battlefield where they are deployed. They are loaded to the brim with pre-installed weapons, and their mounts can handle Titan weapons too big for even Battle Titans (they do not carry any of the close-combat weapons, as their sole focus is on extreme firepower). Emperor Titans are very rare, and can crush many weaker war engines. This type of Titan has legs so large they can house a full company of Adeptus Mechanicus
 orImperial Guard
 troops for defence and assault assistance. These Titans can stand up to 150 meters (approximately 400 feet) tall

 Deadshot wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
60m? Emperors? Nay. Try 150+. 60 for Warlords as a rough estimate is the usual figure.


Emperor Titans are just too complex, difficult to build and expensive to mass produce. Even Warhounds are massively expensive and difficult to build more than two or three at a time.

this. I thnk you are thinking a size down if you think the largest titn is only 60m

That is quite the opposite of what I said. I said the ballpark figure for Warlord Titans is around 60m. Who are no where near the largest.

Lexicanum wrote: The superheavy Battle Titans called Emperor Titans are subdivided into two known classes, the "Imperator"-class Titan
and "Warmonger"-class Titan
. Of these, the "Imperator"-class Emperor Titan is a general-purpose assault platform, whereas the "Warmonger"-class Emperor Titan is a dedicated fire-support unit with advanced fire control and targeting systems. Both are extremely powerful weapon systems and are often unmatched by an enemy force on any battlefield where they are deployed. They are loaded to the brim with pre-installed weapons, and their mounts can handle Titan weapons too big for even Battle Titans (they do not carry any of the close-combat weapons, as their sole focus is on extreme firepower). Emperor Titans are very rare, and can crush many weaker war engines. This type of Titan has legs so large they can house a full company of Adeptus Mechanicus
 orImperial Guard
 troops for defence and assault assistance. These Titans can stand up to 150 meters (approximately 400 feet) tall

i think you are misinterpreting what I have said. I'm saying that the warlord Titan (which I know and have known for a very long time) is the second largest Titan and would be about 60m. The imperator or Emperor class Titan would be around 100-150m

I tend to think of each Titan as being roughly twice the size as the variation below it.

Warhounds are 17 meters, Reavers something like 30, Warlord 60, Emperor well over a hundred, etc.

Anyone with an old copy of epic (or photoshop skills) can find the supposed size of an Imperator, or any size titan. The figure is about the size of a 28mm Dreadnought. How many space marine figures standing on top each other does it take to equal it's height? Done. You can't really use current GW fluff, as it's been constantly trying to outdo itself since about 2000.


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Even in this art, you can see a single trooper at the foot of the Imperator's right leg, and that's actually a larger scale discrepancy than an Epic fig versus the Imperator model.

 Senden wrote:

 Ernestas wrote:
Such constructs would be simply too small to justify their rarity. Emperor class titans should be an extreme resource and time drain due to their rarity on a battlefields. If that isn't the case, then why they are so rare on a battlefield?]

Yes, this is a main issue with adeptus mechanicus. Remove that and humanity will instantly goes to new golden age of technology. Even though, fabricator generals could alone possess entire knowledge needed to construct Emperor class titan, removing all restrictions of complexity by simply reproducing that it's known.


Ah, those cartoonish pictures of warhammer. I never liked that kind of artwork and as I said, I dislike GW's descriptions on titans sizes. I personally prefer them to be at skyscrapers levels.

Ernestas wrote:. Also, tech-priests see them as avatars of Omnissiah due to machines complexity and power..

Whch is another reason that they wouldn't be mass produced..

Void__Dragon wrote:I tend to think of each Titan as being roughly twice the size as the variation below it.

Warhounds are 17 meters, Reavers something like 30, Warlord 60, Emperor well over a hundred, etc.

The Warlord isn't that much larger than the Reaver.

The Epic Imperator is around 4 times the size of the Warhound. Which, again, clocks it in around the 75-80m mark.

I think of opposite. That would motive adeptus mechanicus to create more of these complex and holy machines.

As a proud owner of an Epic Imperator Titan, which I am in the process of painting now, in fact, hopefully I can help out.

I've got a Space Marine glued to the scenic base I've created to give a sense of scale... assuming the space marine is about 2 meters, I'd estimate the Emperor's total height at 70 - 80 meters tall, absolute maximum.

I am just eyeballing it, however, which is perhaps irresponsible of me in a thread that seems to be about to boil over in nerd rage regarding the subject

 Ernestas wrote:
I think of opposite. That would motive adeptus mechanicus to create more of these complex and holy machines.

The fact that they are apparently reasonably rare would seem to disagree with you.

You can disagree all you want, but just like your idea that they should be a kilometer tall, you're not backed up by anything official here.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Anyone with an old copy of epic (or photoshop skills) can find the supposed size of an Imperator, or any size titan. The figure is about the size of a 28mm Dreadnought. How many space marine figures standing on top each other does it take to equal it's height? Done. You can't really use current GW fluff, as it's been constantly trying to outdo itself since about 2000.


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Even in this art, you can see a single trooper at the foot of the Imperator's right leg, and that's actually a larger scale discrepancy than an Epic fig versus the Imperator model.

Assuming that guy is about 6ft, that makes the leg roughly 60 feet. And it appears to comprise roughly 1/3 of the height.

So 60 meters tall.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Assuming that guy is about 6ft, ....

It's a Space Marine...

 insaniak wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Assuming that guy is about 6ft, ....

It's a Space Marine...

space marines tower over humans. I would say they would be at least 6ft 5 or 6

At least...

Astartes are at least 7-8 feet on average.

The fact that they are apparently reasonably rare would seem to disagree with you.

You can disagree all you want, but just like your idea that they should be a kilometer tall, you're not backed up by anything official here.

Rarity actually supports my argument that they are very costly to manufacture.


I can back it up with other sources describing their power or actions which would certainly increase their size beyond of GW's limitations. As I said before, I dislike GW's representation of them and because of that, I ignore their opinion on that matter.

Ok, so 70 meters.

Still nowhere near a kilometer.


Remember, these things have to be carried inside normal space ships. Which are only 7.5-8 kilometers long at the most.

Im just going to keep buying leman russes....
honestly i dont think the emperor titan looks good on the board, at least from the scratch built pictures shown, ( they are very nice scratch built models)
but it looks like a fantasy castle with big legs... id take a warhound titan any day over the larger titans, the larger tiatns seem to big for their own good...

Well Emperors and Warlords are more like mobile gun platforms than true walkers. Reavers and Warhounds fit that role better.

Yeah i guess that makes sense... btw the bunny, thunder stomp thing, hilarious, laugh every time i see it

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:
As a proud owner of an Epic Imperator Titan, which I am in the process of painting now, in fact, hopefully I can help out.

I've got a Space Marine glued to the scenic base I've created to give a sense of scale... assuming the space marine is about 2 meters, I'd estimate the Emperor's total height at 70 - 80 meters tall, absolute maximum.

I am just eyeballing it, however, which is perhaps irresponsible of me in a thread that seems to be about to boil over in nerd rage regarding the subject

The Epic Imperator Titan is actually on a different scale than the rest of Epic for "dollar dollar bill" purposes. Whereas the rest of Epic is on a scale of say 1/350th the Imperator is on a scale of say 1/700th. How no one has mentioned this is beyond me.
You can look the Epic Imperator Titan scale up and you'll find it to be true. Literally everywhere in the fluff mentions Imperators being 150 meters tall except Goto's.
And a Space marine would be closer to 3 meters given the current fluff.

Space Marines are only three meters tall in the funny world of Dan Abnett (Maybe, I've never seen that quote myself).

Everywhere else places them at closer to 7-8.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Space Marines are only three meters tall in the funny world of Dan Abnett (Maybe, I've never seen that quote myself).

Everywhere else places them at closer to 7-8.

Are you saying you don't like Dan Abnett fluff.
Where I come from them's fighting words.
But seriously the average space marine height 8' is about 2.5 meters.

Almost all sources say they are seven feet tall.

Current Chaos Space Marines codex, Jervis Johnson, Deathwatch, etc.