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So I've looked through the rules of this supplement and I think it's a far bit better than iyanden.

What do you guys think?

I absolutley loved the fluff in it, it was everything I could have hoped for.

The rules were pretty poorly executed and the Signature Sytems are all about 5-10points more expensive then they need to be.

Although i don't think I'll ever use it over the tau codex.

I will use it over the Tau codex for this reason alone:

-Take IC Riptide
-x2 Riptides
-x1 Riptide with Earth Caste Pilot

Add Tau Allies

-Shadowsun
-x1 Riptide

I now have an army with 5 Riptides

 gmaleron wrote:
I will use it over the Tau codex for this reason alone:

-Take IC Riptide
-x2 Riptides
-x1 Riptide with Earth Caste Pilot

Add Tau Allies

-Shadowsun
-x1 Riptide

I now have an army with 5 Riptides

Yes, but, your army is pretty much 5 Riptides.

Lol. Mental.

Can riptides form units (not that you'd necessarily want to)?
That will be hard to shift.

 Xeriapt wrote:


Yes, but, your army is pretty much 5 Riptides.

Oh I know, this would only be the case in games of 1750pts. and up is when I would do this as the total cost for all five would go around 1100pts. total meaning I can put the rest into troops and an HQ slot.

The blurb on the gw page said something about crisis suits all over the place. Is there something in the codex to allow me to take crisis suits as troops?

 gmaleron wrote:
I will use it over the Tau codex for this reason alone:

-Take IC Riptide
-x2 Riptides
-x1 Riptide with Earth Caste Pilot

Add Tau Allies

-Shadowsun
-x1 Riptide

I now have an army with 5 Riptides

But you need at least 1 squad of 3 crisis suits... you have no scoring units.

Thay have a seperate allies chart? I thought these supplements would be as a substitution for or an addition to the basic codex.

I'll be using it as I always wanted an all crisis suit army, but aside from that I'm pretty disappointed.

The warlord traits are not very good, most of the signature systems are too overpriced and have very limited windows of use (the regular tau systems are 100% better).

At first I was excited for the farsight command team..... but you pay full price for a commander with the crappiest wargear combinations imagined. I ended up just building 2 custom commanders for my list that are cheaper and way more efficient for the roles I intend.

I have a lot of hope for this book, provided the needed rules clean up in a Errata/FAQ comes soon.

I'm planning on trying out an all Crisis suit, Riptide, and Broadside list next week using this and allied Tau (quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard GW allowing but they did so I will). Missile spam for the troops has always been a dream of mine.

But the Farsight All-star team just seemed kind of silly to me. Mostly I think it's that SC with set load outs in an army designed around custom load outs will generally be terrible.

And further away, with the exception of O'vesa who has a good set of choices, and the braodside who is pretty much stock-they are all freaking TERRIBLE.
You want a mix of unrelated abilities that make no sense you take R'myr, at least he nets the bonus of having some unique stuff and being dirt cheap compared to the pile of stuff he got to compensate how they are unrelated to each other.

gmaleronMade-you do remember that you HAVE to take at least a few troops right?

I've glanced through it and I'm impressed at the amount of crunch in it compared to Iyanden. I hope it's a baseline for how much content we'll generally see in supplements, unlike the comparatively bare Iyanden supplement.

Also, taking a Farsight Enclave led by Farsight allied to a Tau army led by Farsight is just too funny to pass up

You are doing it wrong.

DUAL ANUSHI!

Well I haven't picked up the digital edition yet I dont understand why they didn't sell the hardcover at the same time? I don't get it haha

I want to get it for the fluff mostly but I think it will be awesome to make an all crisis suit army because I have alot of suits and that'll be awesome.

I'm loving the supplement so far. A shame you can't use the normal signature systems, but my armies were never built around them in the first place; so little effect on me.

I've seen some people complaining about that you have to pay for bonding knife ritual on everything that can take it, but i can only see that being a problem if you go too fire warrior heavy. Which, let's face it, when you can take crisis as troops, you don't need them. I easily made BNR points back by switching my four bodyguard suits to troops choices, making them 40 points cheaper.

My new 1500 point list has 2 crisis commanders, 9 crisis suits as troops, a riptide, 12 pathfinders and 22 shield drones (two for each crisis suit and commander). Can't wait to try it out.

Why shield drones? If they are just going to be extra wounds, just use gun/marker drones since they can atleast do something besides die. Even with the Commander's LOS they could just take a shield generator or FNP and LOS S8+ shots onto drones.

In theory, the Named riptide has the IC rule, so would he be able to join a unit?

Im thinking 3 missile sides with the named broadside suit and the name riptide added to them.
The sheer firepower that 1 unit can put out is pretty damn insane.
Would also make it viable for the riptide to take drones, as you dont have to worry about taking a check when they bloody die.



Edit: Savage - The idea of shield drones is to soak the high strength, low AP shots.
The ++ save means your only going to lose one half of the time.
So 6 shield drones will soak what 12 gun drones can.

I know what your saying though, since gun/markers have just as much use, but if your making a solid death star unit, taking double digit shield drones really will soak wounds like mad.

That's assumming that you're not getting cover, which is one of the main bonuses behind a mobile Jetpack unit, and getting shot with such a high amount of anti-tank firepower that you need the drone to not only take the shot but needs to survive as well. Spending 264 points on drones that add nothing other than wounds is nuts though. Again, commanders can tank a couple wounds and spread the ones they don't want onto drones. Getting shooting and 5+ cover is far more useful than giving up the ability to shoot for a 4+ invul.

I've always been an advocate for using lots of drones when you can, as the longer they keep your suits alive, the longer they can dish out damage.

All shield drones is just my initial setup while getting used to my new list, writing it and play experience are two different things. I'll most likely switch out some of them for gun drones in the future.
The x2 outflanking TL flamer, burst cannon team with a fusion blade commander with target lock is a good candidate for x4 gun with x2 shield or x4 shield and x2 gun drones. They need some protection of 4++ from the shield, but those extra s5 shots may count when targeting a squad.
While the x3 missile pod and TL missile pod team might go for x4 shield and x2 marker drones. As they're staying back in my deployment zone capping a point and dishing out 12 S7 shots, they'll need the extra wounds to stay alive, but could provide extra markerlight hits for any squad doing follow up attacks.

This is just my style of play, i like the idea of having units that can weather the storm and take a decent amount of wounds. All the while still outputting the same amount of firepower.

I usually play people who have decent amounts of S8+, so that contributes to my shield drone obsession. Last week a crisis team in the open (he stole the initiative) took 4 wounds from a vindicator, and ended up only losing one shield drone due to their 4++.

we are probably not seeing it in print until September/October because GW released Iyandan to test the waters and saw it was a great success and decided to send Farsight to the printers.....but since it's already done why not make some money and release the digital version now.

I was pretty much sold at IC Riptide.

I just don't see it. If you're using a commander, just put the commander in front and try tanking a few shots with the 3+ armor and maybe even FNP. If you take wounds from high S low AP LOS onto a drone for a 5+ cover or 4+ if in ruins hopefully.

On normal squads if you're putting drones in front to soak up S8 firepower, then your opponents have terrible target priority. Drones, shield or otherwise, fall all the same to bolter fire and other standard fire. Opponents should pour in standard fire onto the squad until drones are dead, ignoring the 4++, before firing S8 which is only useful against multiwound suits.

Shield drones are more survivable to Ap4 and lower weapons, but all drones are single wound models and fairly cheap. The benefits of having drones to take the wounds isn't negated, but you gain the benefit of either twin-linked carbines or a markerlight.

 Krellnus wrote:
I absolutley loved the fluff in it, it was everything I could have hoped for.

The rules were pretty poorly executed and the Signature Sytems are all about 5-10points more expensive then they need to be.

Good fluff, eh? Excellent. Now I play the waiting game until the hardcover edition is released.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I absolutley loved the fluff in it, it was everything I could have hoped for.

The rules were pretty poorly executed and the Signature Sytems are all about 5-10points more expensive then they need to be.

Good fluff, eh? Excellent. Now I play the waiting game until the hardcover edition is released.

Supposedly, that's October....

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I absolutley loved the fluff in it, it was everything I could have hoped for.

The rules were pretty poorly executed and the Signature Sytems are all about 5-10points more expensive then they need to be.

Good fluff, eh? Excellent. Now I play the waiting game until the hardcover edition is released.

Haha, you and me both

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
I absolutley loved the fluff in it, it was everything I could have hoped for.

The rules were pretty poorly executed and the Signature Sytems are all about 5-10points more expensive then they need to be.

Good fluff, eh? Excellent. Now I play the waiting game until the hardcover edition is released.

The only objection I had to the fluff was that Aun'Va seemed like an extremely insecure power hungry tyrant who seemed a lot like the President in Hunger Games.
But other than that, very well written, portrays Farsight as a character with a bit of tunnel vision about his goals, but actively tries to overcome it.