DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread (KS coming March 25, pg 191)

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**Theophony**

Technically the first KS was never completed right? There's no rules that I've seen at least. Last I remember it was handed off to someone else to write the rules and I haven't heard anything since. Now I don't do Facebook, so it could be all over that, but I did go look at his site a few weeks ago and didn't see anything new.

I hope he can still get it manufactured through WGF, I think it would become a farce if half his stuff is produced one place and the other half is made somewhere else. Would be really hard to make a base game starter set.

Hoping the flying stug is in this as well as the buildings he mentioned way back when.

**shade1313**

Oh, praise be!

I have been very worried about DFG and its future, the kits that we do have are so very well done, I would really hate to see it just peter out when there's so much more potential.

An opposing force and a set of rules, and this can actually get some momentum behind it, so I really hope that whatever path Mark takes, it gets us there.

**gigasnail**

really, really want that rules set out and 2nd faction. the models from DFG are excellent, i want to use them on the table for something other than proxy 40k superheavies.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Theophony wrote:
Technically the first KS was never completed right? There's no rules that I've seen at least. Last I remember it was handed off to someone else to write the rules and I haven't heard anything since. Now I don't do Facebook, so it could be all over that, but I did go look at his site a few weeks ago and didn't see anything new.

Huh.

Iron-Core has been designed to be modular and infinitely expandable, so whether you’re a beer-n-nuts casual gamer or a micro-managing shell counter, your play style and time limitations can shape the game you decide to play.

The game system, Iron-Core has many of the “bones” of the core system rules completed but still needs polishing, illustration and play testing. All those who contribute will be invited to the development group, where your participation will directly affect the final product. Those who contribute at the “Armored Lance” or “All your bases are ours level” will also receive a free PDF of the completed and illustrated Iron-Core game system, which you the gaming community helped to create.

I'd totally forgotten about that.

Not that I'm all that interested but yeah, that was in the first KS.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/something-wicked-this-way-comes-crusader-plastic-m/description

**cuda1179**

Yeah, I'd kind of forgotten about the rules too. I wonder if they'll ever make good on that.

As for another kickstarter, YIPPY!!! Shadowkesh and rules would be priorities, then that tank and small walker that were previewed.

**Padre**

I would definitely support another Kickstarter from Mark and DFG - I was really happy with the value and outcome (IMHO and for I backed) from the first one.

I'd love to see another one take off.

**Tannhauser42**

Just to be needlessly pedantic, technically, this was the first Kickstarter he did.

Anyway, I look forward to what comes next. Still hoping for that hover tank.

**shade1313**

I think the Stug would be awesome. So would the small walker. But maybe (if he thinks it's doable with the knowledge gained from the previous KS) as stretch goals or something. Priority should, IMHO, be on a rule set and an antagonist force for the Eisenkern, fleshed out to an equal degree as the Eisenkern are at present.

If Iron Core and DFG are going to survive and grow, I think those things are an absolute must.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Yeah, I think he needs to sell something that isn't space nazis. It would greatly increase his market share.

**bbb**

I am extremely happy to hear this. I've been following Mark ever since his initial resin titans appeared, so I hope he can keep rolling.

**Jehan-reznor**

Glad to hear it is going forward the silence was worrying for a while, i would like to see the stug, but more importantly is to get alien army done and the rules.

**Mathieu Raymond**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Yeah, I think he needs to sell something that isn't space nazis. It would greatly increase his market share.

Space Russians. Those are sorely needed.

**Theophony**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Yeah, I think he needs to sell something that isn't space nazis. It would greatly increase his market share.

Space Russians. Those are sorely needed.

Or space goblins

**MLaw**

The STuG and a rerelease of the Black Widow would be awesome but after that yeah, getting their aliens out to market would do them some good.
I don't get a sense that they're necessarily hurting in the business so much as things happened that have left Mark unsure of which direction to go. I would even suggest expanding his market until he figures that out would be a bad move.

Though I would looooove to see them come out with more goodies... whatever the flavor.

Here's the old Black Widow kit if people are unfamiliar

**Kid_Kyoto**

so long as we're wish listing...

I wonder if post-Chapter House these might be possible.

**MLaw**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
so long as we're wish listing...

Spoiler:

I wonder if post-Chapter House these might be possible.

Titan Manufactorum is pulling it off.. I wouldn't see why it wouldn't be. I kinda get the sense Mark has moved on from that though.. who knows?

**cuda1179**

MLaw wrote:
The STuG and a rerelease of the Black Widow would be awesome but after that yeah, getting their aliens out to market would do them some good.
I don't get a sense that they're necessarily hurting in the business so much as things happened that have left Mark unsure of which direction to go. I would even suggest expanding his market until he figures that out would be a bad move.

Though I would looooove to see them come out with more goodies... whatever the flavor.

Here's the old Black Widow kit if people are unfamiliar

Yeah, the Black Widow tank is one of those things I keep trying to find on ebay. Never could find one. Have you seen Mark's rendering of a new Black Widow? It looked pretty good with extra detail. If they are medium sized walkers (assuming the Leviathans are large) I'd buy three of them. Also a handful of those smallish walkers (Paladins?). All of those, and the hover Stug should be on the back burner until the rules and Shadowkesh are done though.

Speaking of the Shadowkesh, what do we want to see from them? At least one Leviathan equivalent, possibly with an alternative build. I want to see an infantry unit with an alternate build. I'd also like to see more fleshed-out units of those feral shadowkesh and handlers that came as kickstarter bonuses. Maybe some kind of hover drone or automated sentry gun? For some reason I feel like their ranged weapons should be energy based.

**Padre**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
so long as we're wish listing...

I wonder if post-Chapter House these might be possible.

Oh, yes...yes, please!!!

Always wanted one of them...

**bbb**

Ah, the old blockhead. I wonder how many of them actually got made.

**Charax**

cuda1179 wrote:
Yeah, I'd kind of forgotten about the rules too. I wonder if they'll ever make good on that.

Relevant to your interests

**bbb**

That's good to hear.

**Kirasu**

A correct scale Imperator titan would be around 5 FEET tall so... not all that feasible :p

Uh oh, a new kickstarter... queue "shipping costs money!" posts

**precinctomega**

I don't think Mark ever "promised" the game as part of the KS. It was more along the lines of "this KS has been so successful that we're looking at launching a game".

None of the money from the KS ever went towards the game and I did my development work pro bono, which is how a re-transfer of ownership is nice and easy.

Those who know Horizon Wars will know I like generic games.

I'm looking now at disentangling the alpha rules for Iron Core from Mark's intellectual property and brain-storming a new name for the game (suggestions welcome) and hope to have it out for public consumption, criticism and complaint within the next month or so. However, it sits behind Ragnarok and Project Marmalade (which won't be called that forever, I promise) in the development queue, so a public beta is unlikely before 2018, and final publication not likely before 2019.

Unless everyone goes and buys Horizon Wars allowing me to give up the day-job and write games professionally full-time. Hint-hint.

R.

**Alpharius**

I was about to ask "Huh?" but then I clicked on the link above and all was explained!

Iron Core returns… sort of…
If you’re new to this blog, you may not have heard of Iron Core. Dig back into the archives to find out more.

Essentially, after completing a spectacularly successful Kickstarter campaign, Mark Mondragon of Dreamforge Games approached me to develop a bespoke miniatures game to support his line of existing and forthcoming miniatures. However, I wrapped up work on that way back in 2015 and since then it’s been a big, fat wall of silence from Dreamforge.

But Mark has come through a sea of troubles and is back in the saddle taking the miniatures side of things forward. So I reached out to see about taking things on with Iron Core. And what we’ve agreed is pretty exciting for me, because Mark has given me Iron Core back. Sort of. The Iron Core universe is Mark’s. But he’s given me back the legal rights to the game that I developed for him. This means that I have a new game to start developing that has a perfect niche in my plans. I have Horizon Wars and its close associate, Ragnarok, to cover the large scale massed battle. I have Project Marmalade to cover the smallest scale skirmish-style conflict. And now I have a new game, as yet nameless, to sit comfortably in-between those for those who like their platoon+ tactical wargames. So this will be Precinct Omega’s answer to Warhammer 40,000 or Konflikt 47 or similar.

It also means that I can be much more open and explicit with you, my beloved followers, with what the game looks like and can even release an alpha-test version into the public domain to let you see it, first-hand!

And finally, it will mean that I can tailor the game so that it will not only accommodate Mark’s wonderful minis, but also modern and science fiction miniatures ranges from across the known universe in both 15mm and 28mm!

If that’s not exciting, I don’t know what is. However, that is only the first of several exciting announcements I have to make over the next few weeks, so brace yourselves for more incoming!!

Congrats to all - and good luck!

**Krinsath**

Actually it appears access to the rules development process was baked into the pledge levels starting at $79:

Pledges at this level will also receive an invitation to the Iron-Core game development group.

Obviously I doubt anyone backed the campaign solely for those rules or were somehow enticed into spending more than they would have as a result; in fact I had forgotten they were explicitly promised until the topic just came up here and consider that campaign successfully concluded. Just an interesting footnote on the original campaign.

On news of a new KS I am quite intrigued as I've loved the products Mark creates. I'd buy three of the hover StuGs almost immediately, but I agree that a second faction is probably the better offering than expanding the Eisenkern (even as much as I really want more Eisenkern stuff). I look forward to hearing more.

**RiTides**

There was development happening (even quoted above by Alpharius) but it didn't pan out at the time... cool to see new life in it and for a broader range, too!

**bbb**

precinctomega wrote:
I don't think Mark ever "promised" the game as part of the KS. It was more along the lines of "this KS has been so successful that we're looking at launching a game".

None of the money from the KS ever went towards the game and I did my development work pro bono, which is how a re-transfer of ownership is nice and easy.

Those who know Horizon Wars will know I like generic games.

I'm looking now at disentangling the alpha rules for Iron Core from Mark's intellectual property and brain-storming a new name for the game (suggestions welcome) and hope to have it out for public consumption, criticism and complaint within the next month or so. However, it sits behind Ragnarok and Project Marmalade (which won't be called that forever, I promise) in the development queue, so a public beta is unlikely before 2018, and final publication not likely before 2019.

Unless everyone goes and buys Horizon Wars allowing me to give up the day-job and write games professionally full-time. Hint-hint.

R.

So would you release this completely separately, but maybe make a Iron Core sourcebook or something to use with the rules?

**MLaw**

Alternatively, since Mark owns the IP could he not go with a developer that isn't currently mired behind 2 other projects?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see that Precinct is being given the green light so to speak.. past tense. Well, I guess it was a good idea. Not holding my breath on this one :/

**precinctomega**

So would you release this completely separately, but maybe make a Iron Core sourcebook or something to use with the rules?

Maybe. I'm still disentangling the product, as I said. My other games tend to build mechanics for designing your own units right into the game. But I'm contemplating making this one more open source, encouraging manufacturers and others to publish "army books" to enable you to play the game with whatever range you fancy/already own.

Still early days, though, like I say. Rather than clog up Mark's thread with my thoughts, I'll post something relevant in the Dakka Discussions forum at some point in the near future.

R.

**Kid_Kyoto**

So nice to hear of a business dealing free of drama and pettiness!