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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Balance wrote:

Mjoellnir wrote:The webway is getting really crowded, isn't it? Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar and now Necrons. Why still have classic battlefields? Just glue a bunch of shoeboxes together and spray the inside with weird, misty, psychedelic colours. Bam you have a battlefield where webway users can randomly meet.

That would actually be a neat idea, especially if you had some rules that represented the webway occasioanlly twisting and rearranging, like every turn you roll to identify two boxes which are swapped.

Yeah, that sounds like one hell of a scenario for a kill team game or campaign mission.

They did this in Eye of Terror, Thousand Sons trying to find the Black Library. So you could add that as another army of people in the Webway

whigwam wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Do scarabs get fleet at least?

They are beasts, so yes.

Sweet. That gives them a potential 24" kill zone. This I like.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

whigwam wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Do scarabs get fleet at least?

They are beasts, so yes.

Sweet. That gives them a potential 24" kill zone. This I like.

This I like, with a 12" charge range I can drop large templates without worrying about them scattering onto the little buggers, then have then clean house after, i think some people are forgetting how effective they will be against a regular MEQ squad.

So 10 scarabs charge 10 man tac squad with pf sarge

9 MEQ attacks, cause 2.6667 wounds, kill 1 swarm.

45 attacks back (9*5) cause 2.5 wounds.

Sarge strikes back with 2 attacks, 1.1111 KILLS, so 3.333 wounds.

So on average its 6 wounds to 2.5 wounds. Meaning that there are another 2.33 wounds for fearless. So total is 8.333 wounds on the scarabs for 2.5 wounds on the marines.

Means that both scarabs and marines lost 2-3 models. Not that bad actually.
Obviously goes better if the Sargent has something other than S6 so his wounds are not doubled. For instance with a PW he only does 1.333 wounds for a total of 4 wounds. So only 5 wounds total after fearless.

tiekwando wrote:So 10 scarabs charge 10 man tac squad with pf sarge

9 MEQ attacks, cause 2.6667 wounds, kill 1 swarm.

45 attacks back (9*5) cause 2.5 wounds.

Sarge strikes back with 2 attacks, 1.1111 KILLS, so 3.333 wounds.

So on average its 6 wounds to 2.5 wounds. Meaning that there are another 2.33 wounds for fearless. So total is 8.333 wounds on the scarabs for 2.5 wounds on the marines.

Means that both scarabs and marines lost 2-3 models. Not that bad actually.
Obviously goes better if the Sargent has something other than S6 so his wounds are not doubled. For instance with a PW he only does 1.333 wounds for a total of 4 wounds. So only 5 wounds total after fearless.

Yeah, this is about how I saw it, however, I doubt I'd have not fired into the group first, but either way the math goes in the scarabs favor. ( sounds like and objective contesting move to me )

Isn't each base about the same price as a marine though?

Scarabs as beasts have a 19-24" charge range with regular move, fleet, and charge.

Scarabs cost as much as a CSM, or 1 point less than a tac marine/grey hunter. They have a 3+ when in cover which makes them as vulnerable as a grey hunter, tac marine, or CSM. Math hammer of S6, S7, and S8 hits against scarabs will show on a point for point basis they are no more vulnerable multi laser, auto cannon, or psyfleman fire than MEQ targets. It takes 3 wounds to drop 1 model that is a point cheaper than a grey hunter or tac marine, that isn't exactly cutting a unit down through instant kills.

On one hand they lost turbo boost, on the other hand they can hang back with tomb spiders and/or use tomb spiders for cover until they jump out and eat something. Tomb spiders can also poop out a lot of new scarabs while giving the swarms cover saves. Necrons have enough firepower in their army that they can move into max range and wait for an opponent to come to them. Beasts actually make them a better counter attack unit than getbikes because their threat radius has increased from 18" to 18"+D6"

The low price of scarabs for what they do, synergy with other units, and low cost of tomb spiders make scarabs a fantastic unit now.


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Math hammer, how hard is it to kill 90 points of scarabs with multilasers.

Need 6 unsaved wounds to kill 90 points of scarbs in cover.

6 unsaved wounds=18 wounds before cover=21 hits=42 shots=14 chimera multilasers=770 points of chimeras to drop 90 points of scarabs.

schadenfreude wrote:Scarabs as beasts have a 19-24" charge range with regular move, fleet, and charge.

Scarabs cost as much as a CSM, or 1 point less than a tac marine/grey hunter. They have a 3+ when in cover which makes them as vulnerable as a grey hunter, tac marine, or CSM. Math hammer of S6, S7, and S8 hits against scarabs will show on a point for point basis they are no more vulnerable multi laser, auto cannon, or psyfleman fire than MEQ targets. It takes 3 wounds to drop 1 model that is a point cheaper than a grey hunter or tac marine, that isn't exactly cutting a unit down through instant kills.

On one hand they lost turbo boost, on the other hand they can hang back with tomb spiders and/or use tomb spiders for cover until they jump out and eat something. Tomb spiders can also poop out a lot of new scarabs while giving the swarms cover saves. Necrons have enough firepower in their army that they can move into max range and wait for an opponent to come to them. Beasts actually make them a better counter attack unit than getbikes because their threat radius has increased from 18" to 18"+D6"

The low price of scarabs for what they do, synergy with other units, and low cost of tomb spiders make scarabs a fantastic unit now.

good write-up, and you made a point I hadn't thought about either, and thats the universal 24" shooting range for necrons, it makes them mesh incredibly well with the firepower that the warriors and immortals with lay down.

Another thing about scarabs is that if you play them right, and manage to wreck a tank through entropic strike then you should end up with a wrecked tank acting as a wall infront of you and getting in the way of enemy shooting. the next turn you make a 19" move-run-assault (at least) to the next tank and there we go again.

The Metal Tide wrote:Another thing about scarabs is that if you play them right, and manage to wreck a tank through entropic strike then you should end up with a wrecked tank acting as a wall infront of you and getting in the way of enemy shooting. the next turn you make a 19" move-run-assault (at least) to the next tank and there we go again.

It'll be a little less fun when one of those tanks happens to explode all over those BTB Scarabs ... Or does "Vulnerable to Blasts/Templates" not apply to exploding vehicles..?

vulnerable to blasts only effects those weapons with blast or template based weapons. (Flamers, frag missles, etc). The exploding vehicle is not a blast. Still hurts a bit though

My fast attack slots are getting very cramped.... a squad of scarabs plus 2 squads of destroyers..... no room for wriaths or more scarabs.

7 and a half hours till official release (UK time) - can we get to 200 pages.......

UltraPrime wrote:7 and a half hours till official release (UK time) - can we get to 200 pages.......

Wow. I never think about that ae. Here in New Zealand it is the middle of the day and the Necrons have been released.

Tomorrow morning is SO far away... seriously I'm 28 years old and this is like Christmas to me when I was 12... lol

Cryage wrote:Tomorrow morning is SO far away... seriously I'm 28 years old and this is like Christmas to me when I was 12... lol

Well I'm actually in the same boat given the fact that my codex doesnt arrive till monday

tiekwando wrote:vulnerable to blasts only effects those weapons with blast or template based weapons. (Flamers, frag missles, etc). The exploding vehicle is not a blast. Still hurts a bit though

Whew! Good to know, thanks.

Swara wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Question, I've seen this hinted at a few times...but what, if anything nullifies RP?

Only completely destroying a unit or making them run nullifies RP.

Or making it impossible to stand back up. For instance, if you consolidate on top of a unit or a lord, he's not getting back up.

On another note:

My Guided Scatter-Laser Warwalker Squadrons are going to love all these Scarab Swarms. Who would've thought that the best way to deal with Scarabs is ruins? Stairs confound them.

The Metal Tide wrote:

Cryage wrote:Tomorrow morning is SO far away... seriously I'm 28 years old and this is like Christmas to me when I was 12... lol

Well I'm actually in the same boat given the fact that my codex doesnt arrive till monday

to be noest i have no clue when mine will get here..... GW got around to sending me the the tracking num at about 2:30 pm friday, and fedex for some reason doesn't seem to have processed it yet. if this were any other package I wouldn't care as much. :/

I'm not so bright, maybe someone can hold my hand on this one...
Why are baseline crypteks so expensive? Are you paying through the nose for the ap 3 shots or is there something I'm missing about these upgradable necron warriors?

I get the commissar or warlock comparisons but they seem like a really clunky way to shore up an army's weaknesses or give a squad utility.

Lucre wrote:

I get the commissar or warlock comparisons but they seem like a really clunky way to shore up an army's weaknesses or give a squad utility.

Honestly, to me, the whole codex seems a little clunky. It is very busy. There's a lot going on.

Dudes in the army lists forum saying they have their codex in US. Whats up?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/408517.page

Byte wrote:Dudes in the army lists forum saying they have their codex in US. Whats up?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/408517.page

a lot of people have already gotten thiers by various ways. so it's highly possible.

Byte wrote:Dudes in the army lists forum saying they have their codex in US. Whats up?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/408517.page

I'm reading mine right now.

Sunoccard wrote:

The Metal Tide wrote:

Cryage wrote:Tomorrow morning is SO far away... seriously I'm 28 years old and this is like Christmas to me when I was 12... lol

Well I'm actually in the same boat given the fact that my codex doesnt arrive till monday

to be noest i have no clue when mine will get here..... GW got around to sending me the the tracking num at about 2:30 pm friday, and fedex for some reason doesn't seem to have processed it yet. if this were any other package I wouldn't care as much. :/

I went to my local shop today and they were unpacking the GW box.. grabbed a codex and a command barge.. muhahaha. And I live in Wisconsin...

Hm... Praetorians only have 1 A. However, for free they can switch to voidblades/particle casters.

That's 3 attacks on assault, with Rending/Entropic Strike, plus the short range shots from the pistols (particle casters). (1 A, +1 from assaulting, +1 from two weapons rule)

And Jump Infantry... Still though... eh. Leaning towards making mine Lychguards.

Also. Yay Codex.

What are the Particle Casters stats anyway?

puma713 wrote:

Byte wrote:Dudes in the army lists forum saying they have their codex in US. Whats up?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/408517.page

I'm reading mine right now.

Damn...

Ruan wrote:Hm... Praetorians only have 1 A. However, for free they can switch to voidblades/particle casters.

That's 3 attacks on assault, with Rending/Entropic Strike, plus the short range shots from the pistols (particle casters). (1 A, +1 from assaulting, +1 from two weapons rule)

And Jump Infantry... Still though... eh. Leaning towards making mine Lychguards.

Also. Yay Codex.

Lychguard with shields seems to be a good choice, the 4++ will do wonders for keeping them alive in CC.


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asimo77 wrote:What are the Particle Casters stats anyway?

STR6 AP5 pistol

puma713 wrote:

Lucre wrote:

I get the commissar or warlock comparisons but they seem like a really clunky way to shore up an army's weaknesses or give a squad utility.

Honestly, to me, the whole codex seems a little clunky. It is very busy. There's a lot going on.

Do you know how lame it feels considering auto taking 2 lords just to get more of the (sorta) good stuff?
The flying barges do seem like a fun way to get around the cc oriented vs abominable initiative problem...