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So, as the name of this thread suggests, I am rapidly losing my faith in humanity. Its come from many sources, not in the least some of the stupid laws in the modern world and the way many people act.
I mean, things such as the belief that getting so drunk that you don't remember the night before, and end up hugging the toilet the next day being regarded as a good night out, or the ridiculous home and self defence laws in this country (reasonable force? Some feth has just broken into your house/assaulted you/your friend/ someone. Are you really going to stop and think what is reasonable and what isn't?), or the laws that state Pagan and Wiccan websites are to be classed along with porn sites in Cammerontheasswipes big (and highly illegal) internet ban.
But the most recent has come with the horrific spate of people strapping fireworks to cats and letting them off for "fun". I have had 1 report o such an incident taking place in Preston, whoms area I live in and today whilst I was on the college bus a chav from Chorley was telling 2 girls how he had blown a cat open with a firework last night. The girls laughed and said he was "tight" but in a jokey way. When I confronted him on it, he acted like it was his right to blow innocent animals apart with explosives, and when I asked how he would like it done to him he just laughed it off.
So what the hell is humanity coming to? I am really struggling here (especially, as a cat lover and owner myself) to see any real good left in the majority of humanity.
MoO, seriously considering the stupid in the world.
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I doubt a few examples of stupid behaviour is really a great way of judging the entire human population, the only thing I lost my faith in is your ability to make a thread that's worth reading.
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master of ordinance wrote: People don't always act the way I think they should, or believe the things I think they should, therefore humanity is doomed.
Seems reasonable.
If you want to focus on negative things then you will see the world as negative, if you focus on positive things you will see the world as positive. If you think nothing is positive or negative you see the world as a Buddhist.
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xruslanx wrote: Humanity isn't screwed, just Britain. But don't get me started or i'll be here all day and get banned for my troubles
Well, I'd have said that most countries are screwed ATM, the UK and USA included.
We're both economically fethed, and our governments are either closing down temporarily just because half of itself doesn't want to be even more in debt, or quietly shutting down all the country's vital systems in order to cover up the fact that it's in debt so badly it can't work it's way out in the foreseeable future.
So of all the countless atrocities committed over the course of history, what makes you 'lose your faith in humanity (whatever the feth that even means anymore)' is a bunch of stupid hoodlums being stupid hoodlums.
Fafnir wrote: So of all the countless atrocities committed over the course of history, what makes you 'lose your faith in humanity (whatever the feth that even means anymore)' is a bunch of stupid hoodlums being stupid hoodlums.
No, its been building up. They where just the tipping point
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Find a cheap and effective source of booze,
Get into the habit of drowning out the background stupid,
Welcome to ongoing life.
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This kind of stuff has been happening as long as people have been living.
Remember the hamster in the frying pan last year?
Any number of reports of shootings/ violence/ crime.
I've even stopped getting annoyed when people queue-jump in the traffic jams on the way to work.
Unless you go on a rampage, trying to target the people you have marked down as "not fit to live in society", there's little we can do about any of it.
It's not as though you can up-sticks and move to Utopia. They'll just move in next door.
There's a Simpsons episode where Ned moves to Diddlyville (or whatever). They get grumpy about him having his moustache, so he goes back to Springfield.
Grin and bear it. Darwinism will always often lead to schadenfreude.
master of ordinance wrote: I mean, things such as the belief that getting so drunk that you don't remember the night before, and end up hugging the toilet the next day being regarded as a good night out,
1. I don't do this, or know anyone who does. Drinking, yes. Hugging the toilet the next day (or the very same day even), yes. Call it a good night, no.
master of ordinance wrote: or the ridiculous home and self defence laws in this country (reasonable force? Some feth has just broken into your house/assaulted you/your friend/ someone. Are you really going to stop and think what is reasonable and what isn't?),
2. A non-issue if you dispose the body properly.
master of ordinance wrote: or the laws that state Pagan and Wiccan websites are to be classed along with porn sites in Cammerontheasswipes big (and highly illegal) internet ban.
3. Not really a ban, since you can still access those sites, AND the porno sites if you so wish.
master of ordinance wrote: But the most recent has come with the horrific spate of people strapping fireworks to cats and letting them off for "fun". I have had 1 report o such an incident taking place in Preston, whoms area I live in and today whilst I was on the college bus a chav from Chorley was telling 2 girls how he had blown a cat open with a firework last night. The girls laughed and said he was "tight" but in a jokey way. When I confronted him on it, he acted like it was his right to blow innocent animals apart with explosives, and when I asked how he would like it done to him he just laughed it off.
4. Those people can be dealt with. See point 2.
master of ordinance wrote: So what the hell is humanity coming to? I am really struggling here (especially, as a cat lover and owner myself) to see any real good left in the majority of humanity.
MoO, seriously considering the stupid in the world.
We can't be proud of our fellow men all the time. You'll just have to paint a little marine.
Shotgun wrote: I don't think I will ever understand the mentality of people that feel the need to record and post their butthurt on the interwebs.
All I can say is, if we don't like things IRL, we can just make ourselves happy by committing those abysmal crimes ourselves in video games/miniwargaming/RP'ing.
In the absence of Frazz I'll step in with get a job.
If you don't have to go and travel the world and compare horrible mean Britain to it and realise that this is the land of beer and honey. Life is gravy here and you should be grateful you can think on the poor circumstances of a kitty cat In fething Preston rather than dodging nutjobs, bullets, religion, extremists, poverty (the real one not relative) and war.
I seem to remember the OP moaning about "oppression" of wiccan websites before - that was shown to be some BS crank website rather than any indication by the government to oppress religion.
You are welcome to believe in whatever fairy stories you wish here, why would you think anyone would care about it anymore just because it is web-based?
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What, in history, would give you a rational reason to ever have 'faith in humanity'?
We've been brutal killers and worse since before we've recorded our history.
Surround yourself with people you consider 'good' and have faith in your buddies and in yourself. 'Humanity' was never something you should have had faith in.
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master of ordinance wrote: or the ridiculous home and self defence laws in this country (reasonable force? Some feth has just broken into your house/assaulted you/your friend/ someone. Are you really going to stop and think what is reasonable and what isn't?),
2. A non-issue if you dispose the body properly.
Also, judges have been quite sensible on this. People have not been prosecuted for being violent or using weapons. People HAVE been prosecuted for chasing people down the street and beating the hell out of them following a non violent crime. So, yes, it is reasonable to think about what is reasonable and proportionate.
master of ordinance wrote: or the laws that state Pagan and Wiccan websites are to be classed along with porn sites in Cammerontheasswipes big (and highly illegal) internet ban.
3. Not really a ban, since you can still access those sites, AND the porno sites if you so wish.
Or a Law. Just a possibility of happening under a proposal that has not been been introduced yet. The same thing that means I can't talk about Scunthorp or a my pet ass (donkey) without censorship in many places.
master of ordinance wrote: But the most recent has come with the horrific spate of people strapping fireworks to cats and letting them off for "fun". I have had 1 report o such an incident taking place in Preston, whoms area I live in and today whilst I was on the college bus a chav from Chorley was telling 2 girls how he had blown a cat open with a firework last night. The girls laughed and said he was "tight" but in a jokey way. When I confronted him on it, he acted like it was his right to blow innocent animals apart with explosives, and when I asked how he would like it done to him he just laughed it off.
4. Those people can be dealt with. See point 2.
Nothing new here I'm afraid. There have always been sociopaths around and always will be. Doesn't make them any better, but it's nothing new. He was probably also talking BS. Sounds like childhood bravado and nonsense to me. More "Ye. I is well hard me. I got in a fight with these bouncers last night. Laid them both out". I knew a kid at school who swore he was friends with Prince Naseem and he once beat someone up for this kid and would give him lifts in his Porsche.
It's also part of a great tradition:
a 1677 celebration is said to have burned an effigy of the pope with live cats inside "who squalled most hideously as soon as they felt the fire"
master of ordinance wrote: or the ridiculous home and self defence laws in this country (reasonable force? Some feth has just broken into your house/assaulted you/your friend/ someone. Are you really going to stop and think what is reasonable and what isn't?),
2. A non-issue if you dispose the body properly.
Also, judges have been quite sensible on this. People have not been prosecuted for being violent or using weapons. People HAVE been prosecuted for chasing people down the street and beating the hell out of them following a non violent crime. So, yes, it is reasonable to think about what is reasonable and proportionate.
Yes, they do take into account your state of mind at the time - there comes a point at which the human brain shuts down higher functions in favour of balls-out aggression cave man-style.
"Battle trance is a term denoting a specific altered state of consciousness that characterizes the psychological state of combatants during a combat situation. In this state, combatants do not feel fear (for this state, Joseph Jordania uses a term "aphobia") or pain (analgesia), and all the individual members of group (unit) are acting as one collective organism. In this state humans lose their individuality and acquire shared collective identity. In a battle trance humans may behave very differently, from extremely altruistically (to the point of sacrificing themselves to save others), to the extremely aggressively (to the point of participating in mass murders). Battle trance affects both men and women and can be induced in individuals as well as groups. Battle trance state may occur involuntarily (for example, mother acting in total disregard of her own safety when her child is suddenly attacked), or can be induced by ritualistic behavior, involving loud rhythmic group singing, stomping and drumming on external subjects, as well as the use of different psychogenic substances."
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Meh. Humanity has always been like this and it always well. I just learned to accept that and take the good with the bad.
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CptJake wrote: What, in history, would give you a rational reason to ever have 'faith in humanity'?
A short list:
We didn't nuke ourselves into oblivion in the 80's: Nope, but a lot of nasty little wars were going on, and still are. Including genocide.
Slowly been abolishing slavery everywhere: Actually, slavery in various forms is still very prevalent, and in some forms and regions increasing. http://www.state.gov/j/tip/what/
We've been to the moon, and have a station with people in it orbiting the planet as we speak: And we've also seen satellites targeted and hit with missiles.
I could go on. Historically, people as a whole are not nice, have never been nice, and most likely will never be nice. Individuals and some groups? Absolutely. But I've been to enough places and seen how cheap life is and how brutish people are and can be. Placing faith 'in humanity' is just silly in my opinion based on my personal experiences and a few thousand years of recorded history. Everyone, including groups, act in their own self interest. That has lead to some amazing advances in technology/medicine, and to a lot of good. No denying that. But to believe that humanity as a whole is 'looking out for each other' or functions based on altruism is misguided.
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Fafnir wrote: So of all the countless atrocities committed over the course of history, what makes you 'lose your faith in humanity (whatever the feth that even means anymore)' is a bunch of stupid hoodlums being stupid hoodlums.
No, its been building up. They where just the tipping point
I had a similar experience. After posting on Facebook one day I was bombarded by cruel responses. My original post was mix of humor and serious. That was the first time the "losing faith in humanity" phrase occurred to me. Of course there are many very bad things that humanity is responsible for, just never used that term before.
Recognizing good things doesn't mean there are no bad things, and you asked for some good stuff. You can equivocate and look for the awfulness of humanity all day, but in the end it is choice to only see the bad and only think of humans as terrible when they are equally capable of being good, and have done just as much to help each other as to harm.
Nope, but a lot of nasty little wars were going on, and still are. Including genocide.
Which doesn't negate the fact that we didn't end our species when the opportunity arose. I think killing pretty much all life on the planet would have been a bummer.
Actually, slavery in various forms is still very prevalent, and in some forms and regions increasing.
Saying we are slowly working on eliinating it doesn't mean that it is gone, and everyday people from the military, law enforcement, and other organizations work from around the world work on making those numbers go down. Just because someone may get polio somewhere doesn't mean the invention of the polio vaccine is suddenly unimportant, or that it didn't save a bunch of lives.
And we've also seen satellites targeted and hit with missiles.
So? That is a pretty impressive feat human ingenuity in and of itself, and it isn't as if the missile is inherently good or evil, it is what we do with it. It also doesn't negate that we developed the ability to have a semi-permanent station orbiting the planet. How awesome is that?
Story of the Taoist Farmer wrote:This farmer had only one horse, and one day the horse ran away. The neighbors came to condole over his terrible loss. The farmer said, "What makes you think it is so terrible?"
A month later, the horse came home--this time bringing with her two beautiful wild horses. The neighbors became excited at the farmer's good fortune. Such lovely strong horses! The farmer said, "What makes you think this is good fortune?"
The farmer's son was thrown from one of the wild horses and broke his leg. All the neighbors were very distressed. Such bad luck! The farmer said, "What makes you think it is bad?"
A war came, and every able-bodied man was conscripted and sent into battle. Only the farmer's son, because he had a broken leg, remained. The neighbors congratulated the farmer. "What makes you think this is good?" said the farmer.
If you want to only see the bad in things you will, if you don't, you won't.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Recognizing good things doesn't mean there are no bad things, and you asked for some good stuff. You can equivocate and look for the awfulness of humanity all day, but in the end it is choice to only see the bad and only think of humans as terrible when they are equally capable of being good, and have done just as much to help each other as to harm.
Nope, but a lot of nasty little wars were going on, and still are. Including genocide.
Which doesn't negate the fact that we didn't end our species when the opportunity arose. I think killing pretty much all life on the planet would have been a bummer.
Actually, slavery in various forms is still very prevalent, and in some forms and regions increasing.
Saying we are slowly working on eliinating it doesn't mean that it is gone, and everyday people from the military, law enforcement, and other organizations work from around the world work on making those numbers go down. Just because someone may get polio somewhere doesn't mean the invention of the polio vaccine is suddenly unimportant, or that it didn't save a bunch of lives.
And we've also seen satellites targeted and hit with missiles.
So? That is a pretty impressive feat human ingenuity in and of itself, and it isn't as if the missile is inherently good or evil, it is what we do with it. It also doesn't negate that we developed the ability to have a semi-permanent station orbiting the planet. How awesome is that?
Story of the Taoist Farmer wrote:This farmer had only one horse, and one day the horse ran away. The neighbors came to condole over his terrible loss. The farmer said, "What makes you think it is so terrible?"
A month later, the horse came home--this time bringing with her two beautiful wild horses. The neighbors became excited at the farmer's good fortune. Such lovely strong horses! The farmer said, "What makes you think this is good fortune?"
The farmer's son was thrown from one of the wild horses and broke his leg. All the neighbors were very distressed. Such bad luck! The farmer said, "What makes you think it is bad?"
A war came, and every able-bodied man was conscripted and sent into battle. Only the farmer's son, because he had a broken leg, remained. The neighbors congratulated the farmer. "What makes you think this is good?" said the farmer.
If you want to only see the bad in things you will, if you don't, you won't.
I lost my faith when I constantly see mothers at my work feed their kids 7$ worth os chips(Chips are 1.50) on lunch vouchers.
Listen, 7$ can get you alot here, why not the 3:50 grilled cheese with some milk?
But NOOO you spent on 4 bags of chips.
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