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http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/01/06/132703314/study-linking-childhood-vaccine-and-autism-was-fraudulent

Is any one actually surprised besides Jenny McCarthy?

I thought it was proven that along time ago. And it doesnt matter, people are going to trust anyone but SCIENCE because science is scary.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I thought it was proven that along time ago.

The linked story is from 2011...

I need to get in the habit of reading dates on articles.

Also had a study recently that found that children who were autistic actually showed signs of it in the first month of life, long before their first shots.

The video "We believe he is a victim of an elaborate campaign engineered by vaccine Manufaturers" (Paraphrased though)- Jim Carry
That is some real tin foil hat gak right there

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I thought it was proven that along time ago. And it doesnt matter, people are going to trust anyone but SCIENCE because science is scary.

It was. Apparently it needed to be proven again.

I really feel like people like McCarthy should be held criminally accountable somehow. Promoting child abuse? Is that a thing?

It should be, Promoting scientifically false knowledge that can harm people should be a felony

 cincydooley wrote:
I really feel like people like McCarthy should be held criminally accountable somehow.

I agree in principle, but I think in practice this is very problematic from a first amendment standpoint. You do too, or at least you do in the transfats thread, yes - that it's not the role of the government to protect people from their own poor choices?

Civilly, though, is a different question. Could someone who had a child who died, or was very sick, from a disease that a vaccination they opened out of would have prevented; and hence have standing, sue Jenny McCarthy in some way for propagating such a plan, should they be able to prove they followed her advice in good faith? Probably not, even then - I suspect a jury would be cool to the idea that Mrs. McCarthy would have any responsibility for her statements as she is not an accredited expert in any way. But... not impossible, just very unlikely.

In any event Jenny McCarthy is a reprehensible human being with a lot of blood on her hands regardless of her vulnerability to litigation.

It's been quite a big deal over here too. We had this same scare going round for some time over the combined MMR jab - with the end result that almost an entire generation of children were unvaccinated due to their parents panicking and skipping the jab. Net result - loads of outbreaks of measles and what-not as well as mass queues of panicking parents trying to get their now teenagers vaccinated.

 filbert wrote:
It's been quite a big deal over here too. We had this same scare going round for some time over the combined MMR jab - with the end result that almost an entire generation of children were unvaccinated due to their parents panicking and skipping the jab. Net result - loads of outbreaks of measles and what-not as well as mass queues of panicking parents trying to get their now teenagers vaccinated.

It wasn't quite as bad as that, IIRC there was around a 5% drop in MMR uptake but that was enough to weaken the herd immunity enough to cause a couple of localised outbreaks and one death (in the UK at least). For once the public wasn't that stupid.

Some people however are that stupid http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2013-05-04/welsh-measles-epidemic-was-faked/

At the time my mother-in-law bought into the scare and tried to convince The Wife and I not to vaccinate The Boy. We ignored her, but not without stress on The Wife's part.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It should be, Promoting scientifically false knowledge that can harm people should be a felony

People have sued scientology because they stopped children from getting to a doctor, resulting in their deaths.

Good we have precedence......now can UK please ship him to the US?

I found out from my mum and my aunt when she was visiting that I never had the combined MMR jab.

Considering I graduated in biochemistry, trying to listen to their reasoning that it was a good idea even today, knowing the truth of the whole mess, just broke my brain.

In fact, it broke it so much I didn't even check that I had them individually.

One of the "evil chemicals" in vaccines that J McCarthy was vilifying was propylene glycol, which they called anti-freeze.

Which product is listed in the e-cigarettes she's the spokesmodel for? Propylene Glycol.

 Ouze wrote:
...- that it's not the role of the government to protect people from their own poor choices?

Babies don't choose to not be immunised.

 insaniak wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
...- that it's not the role of the government to protect people from their own poor choices?

Babies don't choose to not be immunised.

Babies don't even choose when they gak. If we waited for them to make choices, they'd be dead.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
One of the "evil chemicals" in vaccines that J McCarthy was vilifying was propylene glycol, which they called anti-freeze.

Which product is listed in the e-cigarettes she's the spokesmodel for? Propylene Glycol.

Oh, that is just delicious irony. Thank you for that!