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2012/03/31 19:56:23
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
winnertakesall wrote:Tony is currently visiting some relatives with his children I believe, and will be back in a few days, but then, the test marine should have arrived, and some nice grey plastic can be shown off.
to provide yet another late update?
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2012/03/31 20:21:05
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
Because business stops when you visit relatives. And that is why, unfortunately, Defiance will remain a small, two-bit operation...because it's run like one.
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2012/03/31 20:27:30
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
Wow, they still haven't released the damn Marines yet? lol, but they'll happily take your money for them anyway? Defiance doesn't seem to be off to a great start. Kinda sad since when this thread first popped up I was kind of excited to see what they came out with.
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2012/04/01 03:47:55
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
agnosto wrote:Because business stops when you visit relatives. And that is why, unfortunately, Defiance will remain a small, two-bit operation...because it's run like one.
Not to mention he has not (for all intents and purposes) put a boot in the ass of the mould maker despite being 2 months overdue.
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2012/04/01 05:15:53
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
agnosto wrote:Because business stops when you visit relatives. And that is why, unfortunately, Defiance will remain a small, two-bit operation...because it's run like one.
Not to mention he has not (for all intents and purposes) put a boot in the ass of the mould maker despite being 2 months overdue.
To be fair, we (or at least I) do not know what interaction he has or has not had with the group contracted for the marine moulds. I suspect Tony isn't too happy with them and has let them know it.
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2012/04/01 16:31:02
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
agnosto wrote:Because business stops when you visit relatives. And that is why, unfortunately, Defiance will remain a small, two-bit operation...because it's run like one.
Not to mention he has not (for all intents and purposes) put a boot in the ass of the mould maker despite being 2 months overdue.
To be fair, we (or at least I) do not know what interaction he has or has not had with the group contracted for the marine moulds. I suspect Tony isn't too happy with them and has let them know it.
He's not. There has been strong language.
The problem is that he can't exactly fire them right now: firing them means basically going back to square one when the mold is already done. Very cathartic, but worse for the business than staying the course. It's gakky situation, but they can't do much about it except get the mold done and release them.
2012/04/02 15:47:17
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
I understand that people are upset about the delays with preorders, but defiance has been pretty upfront about the delays and have been keeping everyone up to date. I see nothing that says "scam". It seems like all of the delays have been honest issues and that most, if not all, have not been by defiance, but the mold company. I am a patient man. I can wait for a good thing and it seems like this is going to be just that.
Now get on those Germans and the gun sprues. Oh, and the hard suit marines. And the valkeries. And the mercenaries! Patients has a limit with me as well, I guess.
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2012/04/03 06:20:39
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
CptJake wrote:Scam or incompetence makes no difference if you pre-order and get no figures.
It does make a difference if said incompetence is not Defiance, but the mold maker. And I doubt incompetence is actually the issue. Just inexperience with a new design technique. As I stated before, Defiance has been very forthcoming with info and now plan to compensate pre orders with a limited edition mini. So you get your stuff and a limited mini for the trouble. Is it enough? For some, yes. For others, no. You cant make everyone happy all the time.
I am still quite happy that they are in business and I like what I am waiting for. So I am good. Just want to see all the other stuff that is planned more than the marines. I will still be happy getting them as I still like them.
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2012/04/03 13:44:22
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
CptJake wrote:Scam or incompetence makes no difference if you pre-order and get no figures.
It does make a difference if said incompetence is not Defiance, but the mold maker. And I doubt incompetence is actually the issue. Just inexperience with a new design technique. As I stated before, Defiance has been very forthcoming with info and now plan to compensate pre orders with a limited edition mini. So you get your stuff and a limited mini for the trouble. Is it enough? For some, yes. For others, no. You cant make everyone happy all the time.
I am still quite happy that they are in business and I like what I am waiting for. So I am good. Just want to see all the other stuff that is planned more than the marines. I will still be happy getting them as I still like them.
Well one could argue that Defiance was incompetent in choosing their mold maker. There are plenty of miniature companies that do not have the bad track record that Tony has.
My point of view is that pre ordering figures is a form of investment. Tony is not a good investment. He may not be a scam, but you do not see a return on your investment in a timely fashion.
This being said, if he produces good minis and they are in stock, then I will consider buying them.
2012/04/03 14:08:47
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
Tony could just be having a string of bad luck. From what I have read about the WGF situation, he got screwed over by the Chinese guys that currently own the company. With Defiance, Tony chose a mold maker who is causing undo delays for whatever the reason. Supposedly, it is because of a new technique in mold design that they had no experience with. It happens.
Has Tony made mistakes in either situation? I am sure he has. The website stating that the marines were ready for shipping was a bad call. He should have waited till they were in hand and being packaged. None of this causes me to want to spew hate at the guy though. Now if the current issues and delays become common, then I will decide if I continue business with him. Until then I will just wait and see how things go after the marines are finally released.
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2012/04/03 16:03:49
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
Hey guys looks like we're in for a big update. This was posted on the forums for DFG last night by Howard
"I will tell you that Howard is meeting Tony at an undisclosed plastics factory in an undisclosed town in an undisclosed state at 11.00 tomorrow.
Okay, the state is 'Massachusetts'." - Howard
They've been further hinting at this either being them signing off that the test prints are done, or that they may well be signing off the forms to start the full production run.
Then this was posted as a response to a post on the Facebook page this morning by Pete Mcf (click on his wall post to see everything that I'm talking about here) http://www.facebook.com/#!/DefianceGames Pete seems to have been commissioned to paint some figures up, and they were posting pics to show people what he had.
"Thanks Pete! Looking good! I'm literally getting in my truck right now to go to Western Massachusetts to sign off on the full production run - and will hopefully take some video. Small packs that are missing on your frame have been "unstuck" from the B side of the tool and it is running great now without any flash to speak of. We're very excited!" - Defiance Games
Looks like they're actually about to go into production today. To back this up, I found some posts on the "Asgard Studio" page on facebook. Pete Mcf (the guy who recieved the frames in the defiance games link) works with some company called "Asgard Studio" (found them on facebook as well http://www.facebook.com/pages/Asgard-Studio/148389741873424 ) and they appear to be some sort of commission painting service. The way they're talking, they should have fully painted figures posted by the end of the day.
While I was on there looking around, I found some more posts by Tony. Besides explaining random things about the sprue that people had questions about (like the "why 36 legs but only 24 torsos" question everyone has been asking) he also posted this.
"Thanks Pete! Looking good. I'm just about to jump in the truck and head out to western Massachusetts to sign off on the full injection run. We'll have more for you shortly and on the shelves soon."- Tony
So there you have it, they're either going into production, or they're just screwing with us at this point. The sprues are looking very good (to me at least) in these recent pics, and if they stay this quality, then they should be a good value for the money. Hopefully some painted Marines will help give us a better idea of what these guys look like (hopefully much better than crummy facebook pictures )
As for me personally, I've got 48 of the little boogers that should be in the mail soon, so I guess I'll get to see for myself. I plan on taking a bunch of comparison photos alongside GW's Cadians and Catachans, as well as WGF's Greatcoat Troopers, to give people an idea on just what they're getting for their money. I'll also mix and match parts to see how well these guys work for kitbashing and conversions. Which forum would be the best for me to post that in? I was thinking of putting it in the painting and modeling forum, so I could go pic crazy and not spam this thread with photos.
EDIT: Cleaned it up a bit and tried to make it easier to read
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2012/04/03 22:53:44
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
Necros wrote:Nice to see the're finally getting done.. I hope they make some more "how it's made" videos
That would be neat. They do describe in detail almost every step of the process, but those little videos are cool as well. Maybe they'll do it for the Germans?
Oh well, no matter what, at least these guys are almost done, and should be in the mail soon. I know I can't wait to finally have mine haha
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:It's about time. Now I just wanna see photographs of them next to IG models, and I will be content.
I'll post up a bunch of pics with them alongside Cadians and Catachans. Let me know if there's certain things in particular you want to see. I'll also be mixing and matching parts between them to see how interchangable they are. They had some scale photos on the forums once, and they seem to match up very well, but I guess we'll see when they come in.
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2012/04/03 23:30:28
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:It's about time. Now I just wanna see photographs of them next to IG models, and I will be content.
_Tim?
Hopefully I'll get a sample sprue soon (Tony is mailing to first small batch out to painters and the like) so I'll do size comparisons with every single mini I own, including Cadians, Space Marines, Tyranids, Tau, assorted WF models, Mantic (maybe some of the Warpath stuff if my order arrives in time), and Star Wars pre-paints, plus step-by-step pictures of the minis getting (crappily) painted.
In the meantime, this should tide you over: a comparison shot of one of the 3D prints next for a few different models:
2012/04/03 23:33:10
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:It's about time. Now I just wanna see photographs of them next to IG models, and I will be content.
_Tim?
Hopefully I'll get a sample sprue soon (Tony is mailing to first small batch out to painters and the like) so I'll do size comparisons with every single mini I own, including Cadians, Space Marines, Tyranids, Tau, assorted WF models, Mantic (maybe some of the Warpath stuff if my order arrives in time), and Star Wars pre-paints, plus step-by-step pictures of the minis getting (crappily) painted.
In the meantime, this should tide you over: a comparison shot of one of the 3D prints next for a few different models:
What are those two metal ones on the left? I've never seen those before and they look kinda neat.
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2012/04/03 23:36:21
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
kenshin620 wrote:The one 2nd from the left looks like Pig iron.
The other fella, no idea. Eureka? Empress?
Yeah you're right, that dude who's second from left is deffinitely a Pig Iron guy. Looks like he's the one in the bottom right of your picture.
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2012/04/04 14:14:10
Subject: Re:Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
I actually really like these. The video is the best preview yet. Prior to that I was kind of "meh."
I'm still waiting for reviews and painted shots of the stuff by actual customers though.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2012/04/07 02:05:10
Subject: Defiance games. A new plastic SCI FI manufacturer pg11: Heads
I'm still waiting for reviews and painted shots of the stuff by actual customers though.
Thats going to take weeks, if not another month
Yeah dude's got a point. They're apparently working as fast as possible to get them out, but I'm really glad that they're taking the time to show us all these videos and stuff. It really helps get interest in it when they can point at the sprue and go, "Yeah, we thought this would be cool, here's why."
I also really liked how they were giving tips for how to convert them, like how for the MG's, he states that if you hate the underslung GL, the easiest way to get it off is with an exacto knife along the bottom of the gun. People on the forum had had mixed feelings about it, but I'm glad they slapped it on and said "hey if you don't like it, here's the best way to get it off."
That said, I wish they'd use something besides an iPhone to take the videos. That showed the detail fairly well, but I think it wouldn't hurt after they sell a few kits to get a HD camera for pics of their models...
Let's just hope they work on getting them out first
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