Privateer Press: Hordes: Gargantuans (New Skorne Character Beast pg 31)

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**malfred**

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/skorne/units/cataphract-cetrati

Plastic Cetrati

**RiTides**

malfred wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/warlocks/hunters-grim

Grim!

But $40, yowza...

Any word on release date?

**Boss Salvage**

malfred wrote:

Makeda and the Exalted Court

Makeda is looking solid, I could take or leave her handmaids though. Immortals were just reboxed, wonder if there'll be any particular affinity between Threekeda and them ... (guessing not so much, that's Zaal's thing

)

But it goes without saying: *skornegasm kontinues*

- Salvage

**Backfire**

Cetrati: GW called and said that your shoulderpads are too big.

Grim Brothers have this fun Hellboy vibe.

**spiralingcadaver**

Not a fan of most, but Grim & co look pretty cool. Probably not $40 cool, but, cool. Have those troll hands gotten a bit out of control, though?

**AduroT**

Backfire wrote:
Cetrati: GW called and said that your shoulderpads are too big.

PP gives a lot of models really big shoulder pads. It's because they're what you see when you look down on the table and it gives models more recognition that way.

**malfred**

I have no clue where the local got this. Maybe he got NQ early?

Skorne Mammoth

Spd 4, Str 15, Mat 6, Rat 3, Def 8, Arm 20, Cmd 6
Fury 5
Roughly 50-52 Box area
Tons of Body, Good Mind, OK Spirit
FA: 2
PC: 20

Tusks
Pow 3, PS 18 Hard Head
2x Fists
Pow 4, PS 19 Crit: Pitch
Gun
Rng 10, Pow 15, AoE 4, Rof 3

Rules
Bulldoze
Assault

Animus: Counterblast

Skorne Mortitheurge Willbreaker

* Action
Puppet Master
Influence
Ancilliary Attack

Rules
Beastmaster
FA: 2

**Boss Salvage**

Willbreaker spoilers too, alright! I might be more excited about him and 3Makeda than the mammoth honestly, exciting to see that the 'breaker has loads of awesome going on (ancillary attak!!). Guessing 2 points? And without any survival abilities ftw

- Salvage

**malfred**

Survival abilities = counterblast on Mammoth lol

**Boss Salvage**

Point

Friends with benefits indeed

- Salvage

**RiTides**

Lol at "skornegasm"

**AduroT**

OrsusSmash from Muse on Minis wrote:
Everyone, please! Put your internet away. I got the new NQ today in the mail, so I'mma gonna blow up some spoilers:

Mammoth - As spoiled (holy crap.) The only thing that may be different from what's being reported is that the Crit Pitch is only on the Tusks (or maybe I've just misunderstood the spoilers up to this point.) I also suck at counting life spirals, but it looks like he has 50 health. 11 in Mind, 24+ in Body, rest in Spirit.

Mortitheruege - As spoiled (sweet baby jesus.) Also, he's a CMD 9 commander (like anyone really cares,) and he has zero melee or ranged weapons. Defensive stats are mediocre (13/13 w/5 health and no special defensive abilities) so he will need to hide with his giant hat. Magic Ability 7.

Warspear UA - As many suspected: Huntsman on the UA, Tactics: Relentless Charge. Standard bumps in MAT, RAT, and CMD. Nice part about this UA is that it's only 2 PC. Also, FA: 2, because why the feth not? Thag1's theme list may have gotten more interesting.

Afflictor - Sadface. Stats very similar to a Nephalim Soldier, except -1 ARM. Has Reach, and a rule that prevents it from being controlled by enemy models. Incubi are created by the melee weapon; once per activation when a living enemy warrior model is boxed, replace w/Incubi then RFP that model. It sounds like that Incubi is free to activate that turn. 18 health total, spread almost evenly across all aspects.

Its animus is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Cost 1, Self. This model gains Sacrificial Pawn [Soulless Warrior]. What the hell??? Fury 3, Cost . Weapon is P+S 12.

Razor Boar - Stats almost the exact same as Shredder, with +2 ARM. Has the Bacon and Lesser Warbeast rules. One weapon, P+S 10 w/Brutal Charge. Fury 2, cost 2.

Animus is cute. Rng 6, Cost 2. Friendly Faction warbeast gains Hyper Aggressive for 1 round.

Enjoy!

**RiTides**

Nice, thanks Aduro!

**Platuan4th**

Dat Razor Boar.

**Kurgash**

malfred wrote:
I have no clue where the local got this. Maybe he got NQ early?

Skorne Mammoth

Spd 4, Str 15, Mat 6, Rat 3, Def 8, Arm 20, Cmd 6
Fury 5
Roughly 50-52 Box area
Tons of Body, Good Mind, OK Spirit
FA: 2
PC: 20

Tusks
Pow 3, PS 18 Hard Head
2x Fists
Pow 4, PS 19 Crit: Pitch
Gun
Rng 10, Pow 15, AoE 4, Rof 3

Rules
Bulldoze
Assault

Animus: Counterblast

Skorne Mortitheurge Willbreaker

* Action
Puppet Master
Influence
Ancilliary Attack

Rules
Beastmaster
FA: 2

I got a peak at the NQ early and posted from what I remembered.

**agustin**

Sacrificial Pawn (soulless warrior) is an awesome animus. It's terminus's key defensive ability as an animus for any legion warlock to take. It's fantastic.

**Surtur**

I just got a massive skorner.

**Chozo**

agustin wrote:
Sacrificial Pawn (soulless warrior) is an awesome animus. It's terminus's key defensive ability as an animus for any legion warlock to take. It's fantastic.

That ignores the context of the ability in both factions, though: Terminus can sac pawn off of any undead (ie most Cryx infantry) and he gives them tough so the McThrall that takes that Defender shot may not even die for its trouble. Barring a soulless warrior unit in Gargantuans (which is possible, since we still have one unknown Legion slot left and we're arguably due for a new unit) Legion currently has access to Incubi and Spell Martyrs to sac pawn off of, neither of which are tough*. Not really equivalent.

So yeah, at the moment it looks like the Afflictor is going to join the big happy fun club of Legion lights that no one uses.

Warspear UA is pretty good. Doesn't necessarily make the Warspears an auto-include, but at least it's no longer a "why wouldn't I just take Gators?" choice.

I really want to know what PP's thought/playtesting process was on the Gargantuan animi: I was expecting something similar to the Woldwrath's for each Gargantuan, since these are 20-point monstrosities that are the focal point of your army and it seemed to me to be one of the most distinctive ways that PP could have made Gargantuans different from Colossals without giving them 20 guns and/or deathtouch melee potential. But really: Amuck? Counterblast? Admittedly Counterblast is better on the Mammoth than the Teraph or Gun Boar (since it's actually a threat), but it seems odd to me that as a 20-point warbeast it's good in spite of its animus, not because of it.

*EDIT: Now that I thought of it, maybe also that undead bog trog unit, although that would depend on whether or not the animus requires them to be friendly Faction to sac.

**Laughing Man**

Gatorman Witch Doctors also are great for performing soulectomies.

**BrookM**

Those trolls look amazing and I'm not a Troll player, though they'll do nicely in the IKRPG.

**AduroT**

Being Undead isn't the same thing as being Soulless though.

**Laughing Man**

D'oh. Serves me right for posting at 1:30 in the morning...

**AduroT**

OrsusSmash from Muse on Minis wrote:
A few clarifications/additional bits:

- The Mammoth is "as spoiled" in this thread. RAT 3, Fury 5, etc.

- The Afflictor is PC 4. It's animus lasts for one round. Also, despite appearances it does not have Serpentine, so it's a flying model that can slam, for what that's worth.

- The Razor Boars have 14 health, with the body being the biggest aspect (4/4/6). The PC is per Razor Boar. No bulk bacon discount. :(

- The new theme force (just one this time too) is Huge base...based.

Rasheth's Chubby Chasers (may not be real theme name)

Allowed: Beasts w/ranged attacks, light artillery units, beast handlers, praetorian units, TyCom and Standard, Agonizers, Rhadheim, Siege Animantarax.

T1: Build a theme list! Reduce cost of Huge based models by 1.
T2: Include 1+ "Tyrant models/units" and 1+ light artillery models/units. Light Artillery gain Advance Move.
T3: Include 1+ Siege Animantarax. All Siege Animantarax begin the game with 3 Rage tokens.
T4: Include 1+ Mammoth. Roll 2 dice for your starting game roll, keep the higher result.

**Alfndrate**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Not a fan of most, but Grim & co look pretty cool. Probably not $40 cool, but, cool. Have those troll hands gotten a bit out of control, though?

Nope, looking at a couple of sculpts, a metal pMadrak, the doomies, and sons of bragg (so a mix of old and new). The hands are roughly the same size

**RiTides**

Isn't Rat 3 really, really low? Can someone help me understand why people think it will be so good (or at least, quite good, I've heard "best of the gargantuans" a number of times previously) with such a low Rat? How does it get around that / why is it unimportant?

**Chozo**

RiTides wrote:
Isn't Rat 3 really, really low? Can someone help me understand why people think it will be so good (or at least, quite good, I've heard "best of the gargantuans" a number of times previously) with such a low Rat? How does it get around that / why is it unimportant?

AOE 4 ROF 3 gun with POW 8 blast = Kayazy go home

**AduroT**

Chozo wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Isn't Rat 3 really, really low? Can someone help me understand why people think it will be so good (or at least, quite good, I've heard "best of the gargantuans" a number of times previously) with such a low Rat? How does it get around that / why is it unimportant?

AOE 4 ROF 3 gun with POW 8 blast = Kayazy go home

Pretty much this. He'll do a number on most light to medium armored Infantry. With that Fury 5 he can also afford to boost to hit Jacks and the like for the Pow 15s.

**Alfndrate**

Chozo wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Isn't Rat 3 really, really low? Can someone help me understand why people think it will be so good (or at least, quite good, I've heard "best of the gargantuans" a number of times previously) with such a low Rat? How does it get around that / why is it unimportant?

AOE 4 ROF 3 gun with POW 8 blast = Kayazy go home

But just Kayazy, everyone else can still play

**malfred**

The afflictor can create its own soulless incubi , too.

And Kallus

Not the same scale as Terminus, of course, but I can see
Afflictor generate Incubi / warlock using animus as a funny
trick to pull off.

**Wehrkind**

Wow, Afflictor's animus gives Sacrificial Pawn for 1 Fury? That is really going to hurt ranged assassination armies.