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mondo80 wrote:Seeing as how Necrons are official, do you think this thread should close? More than likely a necron tactics thread has opened up.

I think it's still news until 200 pages

The artwork for the Canoptek Wraith and Tomb Blade look awesome. I just hope they are multi-part plastic kits and not too pricey.

Don't like my chances on the last bit.

Lithophile wrote:The artwork for the Canoptek Wraith and Tomb Blade look awesome.

I hope the Wraith still looks, well, wraithish. Sleek and flowing, rather than a Spyder with a tail.


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As for the Tomb Blade...I think they look terrible, but it may just be a bad angle or something.

I don't like foot-pedal look thing they're going for with any vehicle where you can see the drivers, like the Barges and how I suspect the Tomb Blades are going to look.

The Scythes, though? Sooo getting a bunch of those. Screw Arks.

I agree with you, the scythes look great but I also like the artwork on the tomb blades. Looks pretty awesome to me

I got Imotekh and Trazyn fionecast minis, and the batch this time while full and detailed is brittle! Easy to break and scary to possibly drop as instead of bouncing like other finecast models I have seen these were all too delicate.(especially that staff parts), and other people also now saw their finecasts also delicate so they now believe me regarding the need for good packing boxes and caution not to drop the models!

On the other hand, the plastic kits are awesomeness smothered in win!

My Finecast Overlord has a ton of bubbles in his cape..there's one especially large hole toward the bottom of it. Unfortunately couldn't make any of this out through the blister, so it's pretty disappointing. Not sure what I'm going to do with him anyway..he's pretty difficult to fit into a Command Barge and I'm not sure I'll often take Overlords out of Barges.

Tailgunner wrote:If the first day of release is anything to go by, GW's 'secret squirrel' approach to marketing the Necrons seems to have worked (the massive size of this thread is also an indicator).

Let's not forget that in true tradition we got some leaks before GW did their secret squirrel release. When will they learn that the hype from the rumours actually contributes quite a lot to a release? A secret squirrel approach is just annoying. Dreadfleet didn't really sell in my area largely because no one was willing to fork that sort of money out for a game they knew nothing about less than two weeks before Games Day.

Now, if they'd given us further notice...or heavens forbid released it at Games Day....it'd probably gone down a bit better.

This is why I think the "leak" was deliberate, and the request for BoW to take down the pictures was simply because GW themselves were going to release the pictures on their website and didn't want people going somewhere else.

Dr. Delorean wrote:This is why I think the "leak" was deliberate

I have my suspicious about a good deal of how much of this release was intentionally leaked, but we'll never know for sure so no real point in speculating.

I will say that if having random rules and characters teaser slowly over a few weeks wasn't a deliberate guerrilla campaign, it probably should have been. Of course, a proper advertising campaign also would have been nice, but baby steps.

Kurgash wrote:Did anyone else get an upside down void blade hand when they opened their lychguard?

no noone else got that since every single plastic kit is unique and not made in a factory. i got a glow in the dark smurf in mine

whigwam wrote:My Finecast Overlord has a ton of bubbles in his cape..there's one especially large hole toward the bottom of it. Unfortunately couldn't make any of this out through the blister, so it's pretty disappointing. Not sure what I'm going to do with him anyway...

Ditto - my first finecast figure, and he has a ton of holes in the cape. The right hand side of his upper body also seems to have had some sort of melting, many edges are lacking definition and instead look like they are plastic figures that have had plastic glue dribbled on them and then rubbed with a finger.

I know what I'm doing with mine - taking it back for replacement or refund.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Lithophile wrote:The artwork for the Canoptek Wraith and Tomb Blade look awesome.

I hope the Wraith still looks, well, wraithish. Sleek and flowing, rather than a Spyder with a tail.


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As for the Tomb Blade...I think they look terrible, but it may just be a bad angle or something.

I don't like foot-pedal look thing they're going for with any vehicle where you can see the drivers, like the Barges and how I suspect the Tomb Blades are going to look.

The Scythes, though? Sooo getting a bunch of those. Screw Arks.

Tomb Blades must be the nannies of the Necron world. When I saw that picture, the only thing I could see was someone just about catching a baby that had fallen out of the pram.
I don't like any of the drivers as you can always see their legs and feet. I'm going to try and convert the hips of mine to look more like the bottom of the old destroyers.

And talking of destroyers, if they bring out new destroyer models next year, they aren't half going to annoy many fans, but how can they not when destroyers have been moved from jetbikes (With suitable flying stand) to jump infantry. Still with flying stands? Seriously? How many assault marines get to go BTB with 1 destroyer?

I also don't like the picture of the Triach Stalker, and for the same reason. I can see why GW didn't want Necron 'vehicles' to just be a bigger robot able to ignore crew stunned and shaken results, but there are ways of doing that without having a fully humanoid controller on them. The larger 'spine' on the old destroyers looked great, why could we not have had that on the Barge/Ark crew, never mind the full pilot of the scythes and Stalker.

It's a good job that destroyers are not currently that expensive, I've a feeling I will need to build up a stock of unbuilt ones just to remove the hips of all the 'crew' on all the vehicles that will be needed now Neck-rons are a 'Mechanized' force!

*Neck-rons, as all the kits I've seen now include sepperate necks - don't know if warriors are the same or if they've been left as they were.

Conrad Turner wrote:*Neck-rons, as all the kits I've seen now include sepperate necks - don't know if warriors are the same or if they've been left as they were.

Warriors are the same as ever. Immortals have no separate neck-piece, but the Cmd. Barge Overlord did. Not sure on Lychguard/Praetorians...haven't bothered with those yet.

tarnish wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Did anyone else get an upside down void blade hand when they opened their lychguard?

no noone else got that since every single plastic kit is unique and not made in a factory. i got a glow in the dark smurf in mine

Haha, true yes I'm just speaking on more of a 'was this a miscasted hand?' Just struck me as quite odd.

Kurgash wrote:
Haha, true yes I'm just speaking on more of a 'was this a miscasted hand?' Just struck me as quite odd.

1. I think Voidblades are pretty symetrical. Not sure how they can be upside down at all.



2. Assuming you do not mean voidbaldes, but perhaps the Hyperphase swords, I think it's intentional. Have a look at the painted Lychguard on the 360 rotation thing GW does. One does have it upside down.

Conrad Turner wrote:
Tomb Blades must be the nannies of the Necron world. When I saw that picture, the only thing I could see was someone just about catching a baby that had fallen out of the pram.
I don't like any of the drivers as you can always see their legs and feet. I'm going to try and convert the hips of mine to look more like the bottom of the old destroyers.

And talking of destroyers, if they bring out new destroyer models next year, they aren't half going to annoy many fans, but how can they not when destroyers have been moved from jetbikes (With suitable flying stand) to jump infantry. Still with flying stands? Seriously? How many assault marines get to go BTB with 1 destroyer?

I also don't like the picture of the Triach Stalker, and for the same reason. I can see why GW didn't want Necron 'vehicles' to just be a bigger robot able to ignore crew stunned and shaken results, but there are ways of doing that without having a fully humanoid controller on them. The larger 'spine' on the old destroyers looked great, why could we not have had that on the Barge/Ark crew, never mind the full pilot of the scythes and Stalker.

It's a good job that destroyers are not currently that expensive, I've a feeling I will need to build up a stock of unbuilt ones just to remove the hips of all the 'crew' on all the vehicles that will be needed now Neck-rons are a 'Mechanized' force!

*Neck-rons, as all the kits I've seen now include sepperate necks - don't know if warriors are the same or if they've been left as they were.

Dude, destroyers are not getting new models because the pictures (artwork) in the codex are of the current models, so don't expect anything new except maybe a finecast model with slightly different detail.

Kevin949 wrote:

Conrad Turner wrote:
Tomb Blades must be the nannies of the Necron world. When I saw that picture, the only thing I could see was someone just about catching a baby that had fallen out of the pram.
I don't like any of the drivers as you can always see their legs and feet. I'm going to try and convert the hips of mine to look more like the bottom of the old destroyers.

And talking of destroyers, if they bring out new destroyer models next year, they aren't half going to annoy many fans, but how can they not when destroyers have been moved from jetbikes (With suitable flying stand) to jump infantry. Still with flying stands? Seriously? How many assault marines get to go BTB with 1 destroyer?

I also don't like the picture of the Triach Stalker, and for the same reason. I can see why GW didn't want Necron 'vehicles' to just be a bigger robot able to ignore crew stunned and shaken results, but there are ways of doing that without having a fully humanoid controller on them. The larger 'spine' on the old destroyers looked great, why could we not have had that on the Barge/Ark crew, never mind the full pilot of the scythes and Stalker.

It's a good job that destroyers are not currently that expensive, I've a feeling I will need to build up a stock of unbuilt ones just to remove the hips of all the 'crew' on all the vehicles that will be needed now Neck-rons are a 'Mechanized' force!

*Neck-rons, as all the kits I've seen now include sepperate necks - don't know if warriors are the same or if they've been left as they were.

Dude, destroyers are not getting new models because the pictures (artwork) in the codex are of the current models, so don't expect anything new except maybe a finecast model with slightly different detail.

The last I heard about the new design was it wasn't a make over but an extended chest piece/front. That was it.
Also look at the new artwork of the Necron Lord in the codex, it's pretty much the same par the front

Zweischneid wrote:

Kurgash wrote:
Haha, true yes I'm just speaking on more of a 'was this a miscasted hand?' Just struck me as quite odd.

1. I think Voidblades are pretty symetrical. Not sure how they can be upside down at all.



2. Assuming you do not mean voidbaldes, but perhaps the Hyperphase swords, I think it's intentional. Have a look at the painted Lychguard on the 360 rotation thing GW does. One does have it upside down.

Huh, well I'll be damned. And yeah, got the names mixed up. So much new terminology to remember for the metal boys.

Wasn't actually wanting anything new, I like the look of the destroyers/HD's/Destroyer Lords.

Just thought it worth a mention that an assault marine would get into BTB with a max of 6 models.

Destroyer, now also jump infantry as I understand it, can be surrounded by 8-10, so despite being JI, keep them away from cc with things like IG and 'nids.

That and I like the models more than the artwork of the Tomb Blades, although of course that's only from a single angle and the models may be better once I get to see one in 3D.

Although I am a little dissapointed that the 'legs' on the Doomsday Ark are a little more trouble to convert than I am willing to put in right now - shorten them by the full middle segment and they don't cover the cannon, and turning the 'feet' round will take more time than I have before needing it for an APOC game - it is still a great kit with the exception of the 'pilot'. To find an 'automatic' car in the sense of one that can drive itself that has a robot at the wheel, you need to go back to the way the future was imagined in the 70's. These days we have realised that the future does not consist of having a single humanoid robot that can do everything for you, you just have a car that has an extra passenger seat in the front because there is no requirement for a driver, a vacuum cleaner with no handle that trundles around the room all by itself, a mower that does the dame on the grass.

So why does GW insist that the most advanced race to have travelled the galaxy needs a near-enough robot to drive them? And with legs, but no visible foot controls? And if you say there are controls underneath those feet, WHY? It can just plug itself into the control console and become the vehicle.

The pilot will be gone as soon as I get my hands on either of the Scythes or the Stalker, so that they can be piloted by just a torso, head, and possibly arms plugged straight into the craft's systems.

Damaged warrior gets salvaged from the battlefield, no legs left and only 1 arm, no Ghost Ark to repair him and send him out as infantry again, lord looms over him and says .....


"I'm sending you to Top Gun, son. You're in the AIRFORCE now!"

Conrad Turner wrote:
So why does GW insist that the most advanced race to have travelled the galaxy needs a near-enough robot to drive them? And with legs, but no visible foot controls? And if you say there are controls underneath those feet, WHY? It can just plug itself into the control console and become the vehicle.

1. Why have bipedal soldiers with arms carrying guns? Why fight wars with infantry? Why not just release invisible microscopic nano-scarabs that insta-win you any game you'll ever play without ever needing a single model or ever rolling a single dice because "that's what the most advanced race should do".

2. They explain it by Necrons trying to cling to their "humanity/sanity". Destroyers are full-frontal-mad, even by Necron standards. Abandoning the "human form" means abandoning the last shred of sanity.

destroyers arent what people are talking about when they say why have drivers, since they are necrons themselves.

What people mean is why have drivers for the command barge/anhilation barge or the ghost/doomsday arc or the triach stalker?

The drivers serve no purpose.

Spiders scarabs and wraiths arent necrons, just machines, so they can easily build a machine that needs no necron to operate, so why have a driver in vehicles.

zacharia wrote:
Spiders scarabs and wraiths arent necrons, just machines, so they can easily build a machine that needs no necron to operate, so why have a driver in vehicles.

Why deploy Necron Warriors at all? Let the machines do it.

Zweischneid wrote:

zacharia wrote:
Spiders scarabs and wraiths arent necrons, just machines, so they can easily build a machine that needs no necron to operate, so why have a driver in vehicles.

Why deploy Necron Warriors at all? Let the machines do it.

But what if the machines develop a mind of their own and turn on the Necrons? For the love of bacon, Sir, haven't you seen Terminator 3?

Spiders scarabs and wraiths arent necrons, just machines, so they can easily build a machine that needs no necron to operate, so why have a driver in vehicles.

They were vehicles used by the necrontyr before they were all turned into machines, right? I assume the Union of Ark Drivers went on strike and demanded to keep their jobs.

I think people have kinda the wrong impression of "advanced technology". Necron technology isn't "advanced" in a hard-sci-fi sense (or even soft-sci-fi in an Iain Banks/Dan Simmons sort of vein).

Necron technology has always been a mix of "steam-punk-wierd-science" (e.g. ray-guns named after 18th century scientists like Gauss or, now, Tesla) and a "need-something-other-than-magic-to-explain-skelly-warriors-and-necromancy-in-Space", upon which they stumbled upon that stupid "advanced-technology-is-just-like-magic" quote and ran with it.

Don't over-analyse it.

I'm only in to Hard Sci-fi.

CpatTom wrote:I'm only in to Hard Sci-fi.

Than you're not aware of something called Warhammer 40K.

Its a line, from a show. Party down. Canceled two seasons in. Good stuff though.

Party Down was the best show to be prematurely canceled since Arrested Development.

Agreed