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Picked up the codex this weekend. I really wish I had the time to really dive into the new models, but I'm still not even done painting the battleforce I bought almost a year ago :(

I do like the new fluff though, with the dynasties and all that stuff.

Not sure what I want to add to it at this point. In total I can do 3 units of 13 warriors, or add 1 more for 4 units of 10 (or 2 units of 20?). I have 3 destroyers and the old lord w/ orb.

I'll probably grab some immortals, and the big cannon thingy. Not sure about the troop transporter thingy. Never did get a monolith but I prolly will eventually...

Tailgunner wrote:If the first day of release is anything to go by, GW's 'secret squirrel' approach to marketing the Necrons seems to have worked (the massive size of this thread is also an indicator).

How do you figure? This thread was fuelled by leaked pictures and inside information. Take all that away and what would this thread be?

The eldest lad's Codex arrived this morning, he'll not be seeing it till Christmas day, but I need to look at the points and make sure that I have enough coming that will bolster what I have painted for him in my Gallery for a 1500pt army.

Got what I wanted for him Finecast wise from GW as well, but the plastics will be coming from Maelstrom.

From my brief flick through this morning, it looks interesting.

CpatTom wrote:I'm only in to Hard Sci-fi.

"ordinary fething people .... "

Lots of disdain for the new Necron lore in this video review and much time spent on it. I don't think Star Trek fans went as crazy when the producers humanized The Borg. Kind of fun watching middle-aged guys have a meltdown over "fluff". Kind of a shame, it's a cool new Codex with lots more character and options than before. Get over it, move on "fanboys".

http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/new-necron-codex-first-look/

Nice attack on anyone who doesn't like the new fluff Brass. Classy.

I, for one, am fine with the new fluff, I just don't think it needed to go as far by removing the C'Tan as a real entity and retconning the Enslaver Plague. As always, there's a middle ground to be found between old and new, but GW would rather swing that pendulum as hard as they can than let it settle in a place that makes everyone happy.

I really like the new fluff. The old Necron fluff was nothing but...robot Nids. That's it. How is that interesting? Sure, they lost their (really cool) "boogeyman" image, but how credible was that anyway? The empire of men owns millions of worlds and Necrons appeared to be so very few that the Empire of Men simply did not care for them after all...

I am fine with the new fluff and reading the new fluff in our codex was a blast as I considered it really well-written and interesting.

I laughed when I read the Silent King + BA = BFF part

The new Necron fluff is both good and bad, I love the new necron image, but I loved the old one as well.

Well you learn to luve with it I geuss! xD

Nice attack on anyone who doesn't like the new fluff Brass. Classy.

Nice way to overreact or to try and make it "about you". Nothing new, not that or the negativity or the combativeness or the need to feel somehow personally affected by nearly every post.

Not liking the new "fluff" and going over the top with histrionics and whining like that in the video are two different things. Seriously, that's what it's about, seriously. Or perhaps it shouldn't be so serious because it's a game with some toy soldiers and some people are taking it way too seriously. And feel the need to foist their negativity on the community at every turn. Seriously. That's what it's about. Not like there's anyone like that on the forum.

*unsusbscribe* (again) for the usual reasons. Forums. *sigh*

BrassScorpion wrote:Lots of disdain for the new Necron lore in this video review and much time spent on it. I don't think Star Trek fans went as crazy when the producers humanized The Borg. Kind of fun watching middle-aged guys have a meltdown over "fluff".

http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/new-necron-codex-first-look/

I watched it just for the middle aged guys having a meltdown, which was indeed what I found. Their ridicule of the new background in a manner they found funny, I found just awkward to be honest (e.g. Trazyn letter, nicknaming the Stormlord etc.) and like they're often just tagging onto over-used internet meme's (e.g. Blood Angels alliance, Mat Ward etc.).
They didn't give us a real over-view of the fluff, or introduce/first-look it. Instead, the simply ridiculed it whilst providing very little actual information.

I think they summed up the inherent flaw in the previous background with their 1st sentence of why the liked it; because it had no personality, they were 'mindless'. From the perspective of creating an army to be personalised and used by a large amount of people, it just wasn't entirely workable IMHO. They said themselves, it really limited potential for variety or creativity, which is what the new one does and needed to do. Personally, I think the overthrowing of the C'tan is one of the best concepts of the new background. Again, as they said, you can now create a themed Necron army, which was difficult before.

That and their inaccuracy of the Doom Scythe ability & it hitting 30 Boyz. No-one, even Mat Ward, makes a rule that stupid.

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I've never been a fan of Beasts of War and this just re-affirmed it for me.


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BrassScorpion wrote:

Nice attack on anyone who doesn't like the new fluff Brass. Classy.

Nice way to overreact or to try and make it "about you". Nothing new, not that or the negativity or the combativeness or the need to feel somehow personally affected by nearly every post.

Not liking the new "fluff" and going over the top with histrionics and whining like that in the video are two different things. ... negativity on the community at every turn. Seriously. That's what it's about.

Agreed.

BrassScorpion wrote:Lots of disdain for the new Necron lore in this video review and much time spent on it. I don't think Star Trek fans went as crazy when the producers humanized The Borg. Kind of fun watching middle-aged guys have a meltdown over "fluff". Kind of a shame, it's a cool new Codex with lots more character and options than before. Get over it, move on "fanboys".

http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/new-necron-codex-first-look/

They got the Death Ray description all wrong.

BrassScorpion wrote:Nice way to overreact or to try and make it "about you". Nothing new, not that or the negativity or the combativeness or the need to feel somehow personally affected by nearly every post.

I have no fething idea what you're blathering about.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Nice way to overreact or to try and make it "about you". Nothing new, not that or the negativity or the combativeness or the need to feel somehow personally affected by nearly every post.

I have no fething idea what you're blathering about.

I think he doesn't like you...

(Think Mos Eisley Cantina...)

CT GAMER wrote:(Think Mos Eisley Cantina...)

(Shoot First!)

CpatTom wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:(Think Mos Eisley Cantina...)

(Shoot First!)

and hope for a ´6´ so that you get 2 additional hits

CT GAMER wrote:I think he doesn't like you...

I don't like him either. He'd better watch himself. I'm wanted men... uhh... I mean I'm a wanted man. I have suspensions on 12 different boards!

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:Infantry aboard a moving transport count as moving, so you're limited to 12" doubleshots. But this is rumored to change in the future.

Oh, I meant the Flayer Arrays on the side. I know the occupants count as moving.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've seen a Rapid Fire weapon on a vehicle before...

Land Raider Crusader.

puree wrote:

whigwam wrote:My Finecast Overlord has a ton of bubbles in his cape..there's one especially large hole toward the bottom of it. Unfortunately couldn't make any of this out through the blister, so it's pretty disappointing. Not sure what I'm going to do with him anyway...

Ditto - my first finecast figure, and he has a ton of holes in the cape. The right hand side of his upper body also seems to have had some sort of melting, many edges are lacking definition and instead look like they are plastic figures that have had plastic glue dribbled on them and then rubbed with a finger.

I know what I'm doing with mine - taking it back for replacement or refund.

Not sure why this is a surprise, because A.) Finecast has been crap since day one, and B.) if you look at the 360° view of the overlord on GWS's website, you can see pits and pocks in the cape - I counted 6.

Ouze wrote:Not sure why this is a surprise, because A.) Finecast has been crap since day one, and B.) if you look at the 360° view of the overlord on GWS's website, you can see pits and pocks in the cape - I counted 6.

Didn't even notice that until you pointed it out.
Ugh.
I ordered a Cryptek at my local store. His staff was in two pieces and a bit warped. Told the shopkeep to put it on the wall and I'll take the next one to come along.
I really hope GW gets their act together with Finecast. Something feels wrong about needing to inspect my models before I buy them.

Don't even get me started on Imotekh's cape in the 360 spin.

Kurgash wrote:Don't even get me started on Imotekh's cape in the 360 spin.

God dammit. When I first saw that, I thought it was just that it was supposed to look old and tattered, like the cloaks on the old Lords.
Now I can't stop seeing it for Finecast flaws. It's that damn FedEd arrow all over again.

the change to failcast is a total failiure imo and ill never buy anything they make with it.

We are better off than most as we can easilly use the lychguard set to make lords, just dont put the thrills on lychguard and use them for lords. For crypteks same thing but use deathmark or praetorian heads. Voila all plastic hq no need for faillcast at all

If need be you can greenstuff a cloak or just use the one from the comand/anhialation barge

I think that its strange that GWs finecast is such a fail when heeps of other companys have been using resien for ages and they never seem to have problems. You might find it hard to build more of a new nectron army without investing in some finecast. Like you said, greenstuff can be used to easyly fix up/smooth over the holes.

You might find it hard to build more of a new nectron army without investing in some finecast

I dont see why, its easy to convert any hq from plastic parts, the flayed ones are expensive and crap anyway and again can be converted or buy metal ones of ebay. that just leaves ctan, again ebay or can use any suitable size model as a shard.

The holes in the Overlord's cape (and by extension, Stormy's) are supposed to be there. I needed a replacement overlord and the holes were in -exactly- the same place, down to the millimetre. They were also the same size, so I doubt it's coincidence.

zacharia wrote:

You might find it hard to build more of a new nectron army without investing in some finecast

I dont see why, its easy to convert any hq from plastic parts, the flayed ones are expensive and crap anyway and again can be converted or buy metal ones of ebay. that just leaves ctan, again ebay or can use any suitable size model as a shard.

Well as a bonus for buying the Catacomb Command Barge / Annihilation Barge you get a plastic Overlord Mini (base included, yay) anyway, so I guess there'll be more Annihilation Barge builds than Catacomb Command Barge builds so that you can use the Overlord provided, just a thought mind

Dr. Delorean wrote:The holes in the Overlord's cape (and by extension, Stormy's) are supposed to be there. I needed a replacement overlord and the holes were in -exactly- the same place, down to the millimetre. They were also the same size, so I doubt it's coincidence.

See, I considered that as well - them leaving gaps in a model they posted on the website seems pretty halfass even for Gee-Dubs. But I have to wonder why, because they are pretty subtle, if indeed they are intended. The cloak itself is not clearly supposed to be deteriorating, like the old necron lord's shroud's rips and tears (keyword there, clearly; I'd expect there to be missing links, scratches, and scuffs, all the stuff you wouldn't expect in living metal). The paintjob shows nothing to give it a patina of age (like verdigris on copper).

So I'm not that confident they are by design; but it's definitely possible.

I probably would have greenstuffed the pits in the cloak, if that was all there was. But as noted, one side of his torso/shoulder has 'melted', the shoulder pad that is supposed to have a nice point on it has got nothing like a point on it on my model.

I really struggle to see the holes in the cloak as deliberate.

You know, the BoW commenters had a point, Mat Ward was actually somewhat respectful to the original Necron fluff with that tomb world that behaves just like the "old" Necrons did (mindless computer-controlled killing machines). People are making it sound like the old fluff was overwritten and it doesn't exist anymore, but it's still there for those that liked that style and want to keep on with it. But now there's new fluff to hook all the other people that didn't get into Necrons because they were too boring.

So, there's really no reason to flip out over it. All GW did was give you more options. Instead of "mindless killing machines" all the god-damned time, you can have that, or the new Tomb Space Kings in Space angle. It's not really as offensive to me as some of the Grey Knight fluff was, or the Space Marines book.

And I love how we're having this stupid "debate" again about the width of a line. IT'S A LINE. IT HAS NO WIDTH. You can measure that by holding your tape measure on its side to see how many models it touches. Hint: unless your opponent literally has all of his models standing in a straight line, there's no possible way you could hit every model in the unit.

Sidstyler wrote:You know, the BoW commenters had a point, Mat Ward was actually somewhat respectful to the original Necron fluff with that tomb world that behaves just like the "old" Necrons did (mindless computer-controlled killing machines). People are making it sound like the old fluff was overwritten and it doesn't exist anymore, but it's still there for those that liked that style and want to keep on with it. But now there's new fluff to hook all the other people that didn't get into Necrons because they were too boring.

The voice of reason. Well said.