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You know, the BoW commenters had a point, Mat Ward was actually somewhat respectful to the original Necron fluff with that tomb world that behaves just like the "old" Necrons did (mindless computer-controlled killing machines). People are making it sound like the old fluff was overwritten and it doesn't exist anymore, but it's still there for those that liked that style and want to keep on with it. But now there's new fluff to hook all the other people that didn't get into Necrons because they were too boring.

Not even close since they changed everything by having the ctans killed millions of years ago, not to mention part of the fluff/feal was in the fact there was a large unifed faceless army, now its niether faceless or a unifed army, its a single tomb world of anomalous members of the necron race that is in no way faceless or unified.

Now if they made it so the ctan were split into shards after they woke that would solve the retconning issue and if they had it some rather than all but 1 that regained their independance that would still allow all the options and fluff stories as now, but the legions of faceless robots fluff/feel would be intact, except for the anomolous ones that have more personality.

A few with personality allows this play and keeps the old feel, the other way round as they have done kills the old and only makes the new work.

Sidstyler wrote:You know, the BoW commenters had a point, Mat Ward was actually somewhat respectful to the original Necron fluff with that tomb world that behaves just like the "old" Necrons did (mindless computer-controlled killing machines). People are making it sound like the old fluff was overwritten and it doesn't exist anymore, but it's still there for those that liked that style and want to keep on with it. But now there's new fluff to hook all the other people that didn't get into Necrons because they were too boring.

Indeed. I think all of us Necron players, and indeed, all 40K players should be thankful that Matt Ward wrote this book. As always, a masterful job and he has embiggened us all with his efforts. It's high time all the "haters" recognized this.

Ouze wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:You know, the BoW commenters had a point, Mat Ward was actually somewhat respectful to the original Necron fluff with that tomb world that behaves just like the "old" Necrons did (mindless computer-controlled killing machines). People are making it sound like the old fluff was overwritten and it doesn't exist anymore, but it's still there for those that liked that style and want to keep on with it. But now there's new fluff to hook all the other people that didn't get into Necrons because they were too boring.

Indeed. I think all of us Necron players, and indeed, all 40K players should be thankful that Matt Ward wrote this book. As always, a masterful job and he has embiggened us all with his efforts. It's high time all the "haters" recognized this.

Personally I don't really get all the Ward hate. His rules are solid. I think a lot of it stems from stuff like "Oh no, Faction N kicked my army's ass in Codex: Faction N!" as if we're not supposed to be showcasing the awesomeness of a given army in their own codex. Complaining about things being over-the-top in 40K is like complaining about clowns at a circus.

I just dig the fluff text with Trazyn to the Inquisitor. AMAZING!

I honestly have to laugh at people who say the 360º view of the Stormlord has a faulty finecast that is put up on the website. His cloak is made of lines of links from top to bottom (that is one link connected to the link below it only, not to the link beside it), not connected at the sides and that is by design folks. The other side has a bigger gap between the links as well but not big enough to separate it. It is detail, and it's absurd at how quickly folks look at things without thinking in the slightest.

Of course I know that your real finecast you got could actually be damaged, but the cloak in the picture is how it's supposed to be. Now if you don't like it after learning that then that is your business, but seriously don't start slamming something because you can't think straight because of your crazy hate and anger for GW that makes you think like the people. Summed up in Men in Black with this quote, A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

As far as the fluff goes I do like it, it does give personality and of course you can see gaps in the story that don't make sense. I bet if you asked Matt Ward, he would say "Yessir, those holes are there. I wrote it and know about it, but it was the only way to get the army to move forward without being stuck in the hole that they are in." Pretty much goes to say, if you see a hole you know why it's there and can think about the big picture.

As far as the fluff goes I do like it, it does give personality and of course you can see gaps in the story that don't make sense. I bet if you asked Matt Ward, he would say "Yessir, those holes are there. I wrote it and know about it, but it was the only way to get the army to move forward without being stuck in the hole that they are in." Pretty much goes to say, if you see a hole you know why it's there and can think about the big picture.

The holes are there because he retconned things, his (or whoever in his team did that) own fault.

Its just as easy to have what was changed happening after they woke instead - no gaps, and to have the independant ones the few and the majority the same - still allows all the new variety and stories without trampling on the old. Just retconning like that for no reason is bad.

Ostrakon wrote:

Ouze wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:You know, the BoW commenters had a point, Mat Ward was actually somewhat respectful to the original Necron fluff with that tomb world that behaves just like the "old" Necrons did (mindless computer-controlled killing machines). People are making it sound like the old fluff was overwritten and it doesn't exist anymore, but it's still there for those that liked that style and want to keep on with it. But now there's new fluff to hook all the other people that didn't get into Necrons because they were too boring.

Indeed. I think all of us Necron players, and indeed, all 40K players should be thankful that Matt Ward wrote this book. As always, a masterful job and he has embiggened us all with his efforts. It's high time all the "haters" recognized this.

Personally I don't really get all the Ward hate. His rules are solid. I think a lot of it stems from stuff like "Oh no, Faction N kicked my army's ass in Codex: Faction N!" as if we're not supposed to be showcasing the awesomeness of a given army in their own codex. Complaining about things being over-the-top in 40K is like complaining about clowns at a circus.

Agreed. Well done, Mat.

Krilk wrote:I honestly have to laugh at people who say the 360º view of the Stormlord has a faulty finecast that is put up on the website. His cloak is made of lines of links from top to bottom (that is one link connected to the link below it only, not to the link beside it), not connected at the sides and that is by design folks. The other side has a bigger gap between the links as well but not big enough to separate it. It is detail, and it's absurd at how quickly folks look at things without thinking in the slightest.

These are the holes being talked about, I'm not relating them to what you are saying?

They maybe part of the mould if they are on every model, but they really look like air bubbles on my figure.

Krilk wrote: but the cloak in the picture is how it's supposed to be.

To be fair GW don't exactly have the best track record with getting their photos right.

Leman Russ boxes with upside down heavy bolter sponsons, Tau Stealth Suit boxes with Eldar symbols.....

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Krilk wrote: but the cloak in the picture is how it's supposed to be.

To be fair GW don't exactly have the best track record with getting their photos right.

Leman Russ boxes with upside down heavy bolter sponsons, Tau Stealth Suit boxes with Eldar symbols.....

That's a new one for me. Where have you seen that?

puree wrote:

Krilk wrote:I honestly have to laugh at people who say the 360º view of the Stormlord has a faulty finecast that is put up on the website. His cloak is made of lines of links from top to bottom (that is one link connected to the link below it only, not to the link beside it), not connected at the sides and that is by design folks. The other side has a bigger gap between the links as well but not big enough to separate it. It is detail, and it's absurd at how quickly folks look at things without thinking in the slightest.

These are the holes being talked about, I'm not relating them to what you are saying?

They maybe part of the mould if they are on every model, but they really look like air bubbles on my figure.

He is talking about the Stormlord, which also has some strange (but different!) cape-holes. As for the Overlord, mine also has the holes shown in that photo. Like many others I thought they were air-bubbles at first, but they do seem to be identically positioned on every model I've seen. Must be part of the mold for some reason.

DarkStarSabre wrote:Leman Russ boxes with upside down heavy bolter sponsons, Tau Stealth Suit boxes with Eldar symbols.....

LEAVE GW ALONE !!!

Ostrakon wrote:
Indeed. I think all of us Necron players, and indeed, all 40K players should be thankful that Matt Ward wrote this book. As always, a masterful job and he has embiggened us all with his efforts. It's high time all the "haters" recognized this.

Personally I don't really get all the Ward hate. His rules are solid. I think a lot of it stems from stuff like "Oh no, Faction N kicked my army's ass in Codex: Faction N!" as if we're not supposed to be showcasing the awesomeness of a given army in their own codex. Complaining about things being over-the-top in 40K is like complaining about clowns at a circus.

whigwam wrote:He is talking about the Stormlord.

Oops - I missed the transition from overlord (which we were talking about) to stormlord. Just to many lords.

Kurgash wrote:

That's a new one for me. Where have you seen that?

I'll hunt the photo down later tonight.

I may even take a photo of 'Fabius Bike'.

BaronIveagh wrote:Frankly, I think Ward either doesn't bother to read anything that's gone before, or is just plain trolling the 40k fandom.

Or, maybe some members of the '40k fandom' need to stop being so ultra-conservative and accept that things change. A race as one-dimensional as the Necrons were were always going to need a more complex background in order to expand their appeal. Ward's real problem is his dreadful writing style (and a tendency to overload every army with special rules).

Alright... for those of you that think the Necron fluff changed, I encourage you to get the book 'Xenology'.... or somehow read/borrow the book as it is out of print... as Necron fluff hasn't changed: just been expanded upon...

I'll explain, but I'll spoil most of the book:

Not sure where to post this, but the codex contains alot of old necron pictures. (bit lame if you ask me)

Also i see some special characters missing art-work, meaning they won't get a new model?

Anyway i am happy whit the new codex and will be reading it tonight.

TheNightbringer wrote:Not sure where to post this, but the codex contains alot of old necron pictures. (bit lame if you ask me)

Also i see some special characters missing art-work, meaning they won't get a new model?

Anyway i am happy whit the new codex and will be reading it tonight.

Most books contain old art, just the way it is. There's a lot of pages to fill and new units to flesh out. Plus often times the old art is pretty cool and worth keeping (not always of course and opinions will vary).

I wouldn't read too much into missing art work. There was no art for some DE stuff (Archon court, most of the beasts) and they just got models. No art for jokero in GK codex (IIRC), it has a model. I bet there's more examples. Yet the entire Nid dex has artwork for their units and we've yet to see anything released for them in years.

Yeah, the artwork doesn't mean much. At the same time, it is pretty safe to assume we won't be getting models for every character.

I do wish there was at least artwork for Anrakyr. I'd like to convert an Overlord into him, but have little to go on regarding his appearance (or, at least, anything that would differentiate him from a standard Overlord).

Krilk wrote:I honestly have to laugh at people who say the 360º view of the Stormlord has a faulty finecast that is put up on the website. His cloak is made of lines of links from top to bottom (that is one link connected to the link below it only, not to the link beside it), not connected at the sides and that is by design folks. The other side has a bigger gap between the links as well but not big enough to separate it. It is detail, and it's absurd at how quickly folks look at things without thinking in the slightest.

Of course I know that your real finecast you got could actually be damaged, but the cloak in the picture is how it's supposed to be. Now if you don't like it after learning that then that is your business, but seriously don't start slamming something because you can't think straight because of your crazy hate and anger for GW that makes you think like the people. Summed up in Men in Black with this quote, A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? Cause I've re-read your post several times and I'm coming up empty.

Here is an image of the holes we're talking about. They are clearly not lines of links. They appear just like pockmarks. Maybe they're by design, maybe not, but it's weird looking. People that are concerned that Finecast models might have quality flaws are hardly "dumb, panicky dangerous animals", but more likely people who know how to read and have seen the nigh-countless posts about how Games Workshop sold them miscast models.

Maybe the guy who painted it didn't trust is GS skills, so he just left it like that.

Well to be honest I am more bothered by Imotekh's staff. look at it in the 360 picture and you'll see it's not even straight

The BoW Imotekh review also had his staff as crooked. =/ I'm worried when I got to pick up mine today.

Robbietobbie wrote:Well to be honest I am more bothered by Imotekh's staff. look at it in the 360 picture and you'll see it's not even straight

He also has quite a few air bubbles on his cloak as well.

Kurgash wrote:The BoW Imotekh review also had his staff as crooked. =/ I'm worried when I got to pick up mine today.

Every "staff" I've got on a Finecast miniature has been like this. My Tomb King Ushabti were the worst...looked like every one of them was holding a wet noodle.

Staffs in finecast tend to be crooked. They weren't much better in metal.

In plastic they turn out a treat though.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Maybe the guy who painted it didn't trust is GS skills, so he just left it like that.

I think it's probably intentional. If you look at the Stormlord, you see holes of that diameter all over the bottom of his cape. In his case, though, it's clearly a pattern, as there are a ton of them and they're all in the last link of the cape. Definitely suppose to be corrosion or similar.

I'm just thinking them more as bullet holes now. That way my mind copes with the possibility of it being a spectacular molding misfire.

Well I agree we should be able to expect our expensive miniatures to be in perfect condition. In the case of a crooked staff though I'm not too worried because using a blowdryer on them usually makes them 'jump' into place. At least that's the way it's been for me. If not just gently straighten it and voila! Bit weird to put up a picture on the website of a crooked one though