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So, all the primarchs get the chance to go toe to toe per heresy. 1v1 matches were the winners advance and the losers duke it out .

Who would come out on top? Who is second? Third? Who then comes in last?

Aragon is the angrist guy in universe, and former gladiator with duel chain axes.....

This is him at home....deranged bloody close combat

Well, pre-heresy, no question vulkan would win.

He cant die, and is phsyically stronger than the others. Its a slight advantage.


Magus is also a top teir contender, assuming he makes use of his psychic powers judiciously.

If your talking about swordplay, Fulgrim, guilliman, sangy, and horus are the top contenders.

Eihnlazer wrote:
Well, pre-heresy, no question vulkan would win.

He cant die, and is phsyically stronger than the others. Its a slight advantage.


Magus is also a top teir contender, assuming he makes use of his psychic powers judiciously.

If your talking about swordplay, Fulgrim, guilliman, sangy, and horus are the top contenders.

I agree with Magnus, most powerful Primarch. Look at what an unarmed(er as much as a psycher can be I guess) emotionally and spiritually broken Magnus did to Russ, let alone the titans.

I hadn't thought about Vulkan though, he kind of cheats in a to the death battle

It comes down to Vulkan and Magnus.

And Vulkan can just wait until Magnus exhausts himself.

well let's stipulate that the fights are to the first death, so Vulkan can't just keep coming back. In that case Magnus wins due to his psychic powers. If we further stipulate no (overt) psychic powers, but rather melee combat, then I believe Angron would win, followed by Horus in second place, and Sanguinius in third. Those three are typically mentioned as the top dogs in terms of personal combat, though the order is uncertain. This is my take on it, though.

Last is Lorgar, who was the weakest of the primarchs pre-heresy.

Aragorn is powerful, brutal, maybe his sheer aggressive nature could be used against him. He,s not fully stable.

Others may be more tactical than he is though.

jhe90 wrote:
Aragorn is powerful, brutal

Aragorn really isn't.

tgjensen wrote:
well let's stipulate that the fights are to the first death, so Vulkan can't just keep coming back. In that case Magnus wins due to his psychic powers. If we further stipulate no (overt) psychic powers, but rather melee combat, then I believe Angron would win, followed by Horus in second place, and Sanguinius in third. Those three are typically mentioned as the top dogs in terms of personal combat, though the order is uncertain. This is my take on it, though.

Last is Lorgar, who was the weakest of the primarchs pre-heresy.

"If Mike Tyson had both hands tied behind his back and weights attached to his feet Peewee Herman could totally take him in a fight."

 Kain wrote:
"If Mike Tyson had both hands tied behind his back and weights attached to his feet Peewee Herman could totally take him in a fight."

OP is free to correct me, but most of these topics are about prowess in melee and so those restrictions make sense. Nobody cares that Vulkan would eventually win because he can't die; that's trivial.

 Kain wrote:
It comes down to Vulkan and Magnus.

And Vulkan can just wait until Magnus exhausts himself.

Or Magnus could crush Vulkan's mind like a grape fruit.

Lorgar or Magnus should be able to take out Vulkan with their psychic abilities.

And I frankly don't buy "Vulkan is the physically strongest Primarch". He at the very least has a rival in Ferrus Manus.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Kain wrote:
It comes down to Vulkan and Magnus.

And Vulkan can just wait until Magnus exhausts himself.

Or Magnus could crush Vulkan's mind like a grape fruit.

Lorgar or Magnus should be able to take out Vulkan with their psychic abilities.

And I frankly don't buy "Vulkan is the physically strongest Primarch". He at the very least has a rival in Ferrus Manus.

Where the hell have you been man?

I missed you.

I lose interest in Dakka every now and then (And I haven't read a single 40k-related thing save things I am linked to in months) and stop posting for a while, only to come back.

I can say the same here.

I've lost a lot of faith in the game itself, but I'm already kind of heavily tied to Dakka so I always come back in.

Strongest I think is Ferrus, he had hands/lower asrms coated in what I think in necron metal, and one of phisicaly largest.

And necron metal is armour in itself

Is it that time of the week again?

Russ was the only one to have ever defeated Horus in single combat (a training match, I believe).
But it really depends on the kind of contest. If it's a fencing match with strictly enforced "fairness" rules, then Fulgrim or Sanguinius. If it's unarmed combat, Russ, Angron or Ferrus. If it's armed combat with fewer or no rules, then Horus, Rus or Magnus.

Also, completely disregarding the BL series.

Bran Dawri wrote:

Russ was the only one to have ever defeated Horus in single combat (a training match, I believe).

Source?

Vulkan and Magnus are pretty much the only two that matter. The question is how the hell either party wins.

 Kain wrote:
I can say the same here.

I've lost a lot of faith in the game itself, but I'm already kind of heavily tied to Dakka so I always come back in.

I tend to take a vacation every time one of those damn "genitalia" threads shows up in 40K Background. We might have to forcibly drag Dakka's head out of the gutter eventually.

If Perpetuals can be killed by a strong enough Psyker could Magnus permanently kill Vulkan?

Sanguinius is the best swordsman IMO. He is also one the stronger ones and he can FLY. Lol.

Let's make it more specific- to first death, no psyhcic attacks (buffing themselves is fine!)
Gladiator ring with a really high roof and lots of "terrain" guns are allowed!

 raiden wrote:
Sanguinius is the best swordsman IMO. He is also one the stronger ones and he can FLY. Lol.

Let's make it more specific- to first death, no psyhcic attacks (buffing themselves is fine!)
Gladiator ring with a really high roof and lots of "terrain" guns are allowed!

Except the entire point of Magnus is being a psyker powerhouse. You can't call it a "Primarch Battle Royale", implying the most powerful and best Primarch will win, you have to call it "Primarch Battle Royale with very silly, pointless, and incredibly arbitrary rules to specifically spite one opponent".

Strongest is between vulkan, purturabo and ferris.
Vulkan once pushed a stormlord backwards a few metres.

That's not particularly impressive to be honest.

Angron picked a mountain up off of him one time.

Primarch power depends heavily on the writer.

Bran Dawri wrote:
Is it that time of the week again?

Russ was the only one to have ever defeated Horus in single combat (a training match, I believe).
But it really depends on the kind of contest. If it's a fencing match with strictly enforced "fairness" rules, then Fulgrim or Sanguinius. If it's unarmed combat, Russ, Angron or Ferrus. If it's armed combat with fewer or no rules, then Horus, Rus or Magnus.

Also, completely disregarding the BL series.

Nah, that thing gets brought up all the time and nobody ever has the source. Its just a bit of fanfiction that has circulated enough for people to believe it was legit.

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

jhe90 wrote:
Aragorn is powerful, brutal

Aragorn really isn't.

yeah, but... viggo mortensen!


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 Wyzilla wrote:
very silly, pointless, and incredibly arbitrary rules to specifically spite one opponent".

So the Council of Nikaea, then?

EDIT: As an Alpha Legion player, I feel it is my duty to make the obligatory "Alpharius would win because he would make the other Primarch realise that he is also Alpharius" joke.

Epic Fight of Ultimate Destiny or whatever wrote:Primarch: Alpharius I will kill you
Alpharius: No brother, you are the Alpharius
Primarch: *is Alpharius*

When it comes to a discussion of 'Who's the Besterest?" ground rules (arbitrary seeming or not) must be established, otherwise there is no criteria to base "Besterest" off of in the first place.

So it seems to me, that when it comes to "Besterest Everester" that you don't necessarily make rules that inhibit all or certain fighters, but instead make rules that enable such a battle to continue in some sort of linear fashion.

Ex: Someone said Sanguinus could win. Except that Horus killed him. Then the idea of "Well what about psychic powers?" Can't take that away because then where does that leave guys like Magnus? A "fair fight?" What is a "fair fight" anyways? Do you mean "fair" as in not taking hostages? Because Angron could lose a fight like that, even if it were just taking the nearby spectators hostage by not killing them. Or how about a "fair fight" where one could not damage or remove the other from his weapon of choice? Now Ferrus and probably Vulkan are in trouble. Not to mention the fact that, again, we've got a Primarch who has already met their demise (Ferrus Manus).

So you've gotta let it all out there and think realistically. Who would be at the end of a Primarch Battle Royal?

I say Magnus, right up to the point where someone like Mortarion unexpectedly resists his Psychic prowess with (post-heresy) Nurgle's Rot or some other foul concotion of decay that makes Mortarions very presence, both physical and psychic, unbearable. But that's just me, and just one of an infinite number of perspectives.

The argument there would be that Horus was all tanked up on Chaos juice, though.

I think horus would be strongest, being the whole warmaster guy, killing sanguinus and nearly killing the emperor.

But, at the same time the great wonderful and powerful Lion El'jonson was never at that final battle, and if I remember correctly was born fighting gigantic beast monsters. and later knocked out leman russ for being an donkey-cave.

so, according to the lore, horus was the strongest

according to my opinion, Lion el'jonson

Horus was never the strongest he beat sangy for two reasons.

1. Sangy was dead tired after the nonstop defense of Terra.
2. Horus was basicly possessed by the chaos gods and so several times stronger. Than normal