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 Redcruisair wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
He could with a gesture turn an ocean into corrosive acid.

Yes I recall him turning a large puddle of water into a pool of deadly acid. Saying it was an ocean is stretching it a bit though. Besides what would turning the ocean into acid accomplish anyway? I’m pretty sure all the fighting on Prospero took place on the main continent.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
But he can't do these things one on one against a Primarch... Why? Magnus was warding off the entire Space Wolves Legion, not just Russ. And he did this while emotionally broken.

Hmm common sense would normally dictate that you focus your efforts on the primary threat first. Considering that Russ was fellow Primarch and out for Magnus blood, there really shouldn’t be any doubt as to what Magnus needed to focus on first.

Yet for some reason Magnus decides to gamble it all on fighting Russ and his legion on the same time. Why? Why not just snipe Russ and then take care of the space wolves? He would probably have won the war if he had done so.

It is this problem that makes me question whether Magnus really can casual mind crush a fellow Primarch.

I believe it's because he wanted to protect his sons. Also, if you read the fight Russ is getting pounded up until he luckily hits Magnus' eye.

The whole dumbass vulkan thing runed the whole series for me he should of just died and been over with it.

Also so he comes back to life? They never really said how, he dies so that is confirmed so can't you just cut off his head and keep it on your belt. Poof he is immortal but headless or a head screaming from your belt. He still is dead. Plus curse could of just chucked him into outer space in the wrong direction and let him float away forever or throw him into a sun. Immortal or not he comes back dies again and again and no one will find him on a sun every then it supernovas and he disapperas in a wormhole "he dead". Big plot hole.

Hands down would be Angron or Curse. They both tried and succeeded in killing primarchs, they both have the will to kill. They are known far and wide for this stuff where vulkan has a book where he gets owned for god knows how long then says I was faking it since I was found HAHA. Kinda lame sause. Maybe magnus but I can't see him having the will to kill anyone even arahiman disapointed him he came down fixed his mistake and said get going thats that.

p.s. anyone else remember him Angron taking on the 2 primarchs before he daemons out? So much for the scrub of ultramar.

I believe in order for the true answer to be found, the true test is to enable all abilities, or limit them so all are equal.

1- no holds barred. This means everyone is in peak condition, with no exceptions or limitations and also no upgrades (looking at you Horus with your God-like possession powers, and Daemon Primarchs). So each at the height of their GC power. Not only that, but everyone is out for blood. Ferrus Manus died because he didn't expect Fulgrim to be out for his head, and Sanguinius died because he was exhausted and Horus had superpowers. Magnus wins because Alpha+ Psyker.

2- Everyone wears only Power Armour (its Primarch equivilent) and wields a bolter and chainsword. No psychic powers and no revivals or anything else. Just straight up combat to Sanguis Extremis. Angron wins because he was born into this.

3- everyone has their own equipment and stuff, except Magnus' powers, Horus's possession, Vulkan's revival, Lorgar's Chaos upgrades, Daemonhood, etc. Just straight up combat with choice of wargear.


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OgreChubbs wrote:
The whole dumbass vulkan thing runed the whole series for me he should of just died and been over with it.

Also so he comes back to life? They never really said how, he dies so that is confirmed so can't you just cut off his head and keep it on your belt. Poof he is immortal but headless or a head screaming from your belt. He still is dead. Plus curse could of just chucked him into outer space in the wrong direction and let him float away forever or throw him into a sun. Immortal or not he comes back dies again and again and no one will find him on a sun every then it supernovas and he disapperas in a wormhole "he dead". Big plot hole.

Hands down would be Angron or Curse. They both tried and succeeded in killing primarchs, they both have the will to kill. They are known far and wide for this stuff where vulkan has a book where he gets owned for god knows how long then says I was faking it since I was found HAHA. Kinda lame sause. Maybe magnus but I can't see him having the will to kill anyone even arahiman disapointed him he came down fixed his mistake and said get going thats that.

p.s. anyone else remember him Angron taking on the 2 primarchs before he daemons out? So much for the scrub of ultramar.

Angron never killed a Primarch, and Curze only killed a Primarch who was strapped to a chair, not in combat. Only 4 Primarchs are confirmed dead, all by other Primarchs. Ferrus Manus was killed by Fulgrim, Sanguinius killed by Horus, Horus by Big E, and Guilliman by Fulgrim. It is also reported but not confirmed that Alpharius (one of them at least :L) was killed by Guilliman. Not confirmed even by Guilliman, and could have been Omegon or even just another Alpha Legionaire.

Angron never killed a Primarch.


Also, Perpetuals respawn, like in CoD or other video games. A short distance away just enough to be out of danger. So he would no respawn in space or a star but on the nearest inhabitable world or ship, away from the killer.

 Happyjew wrote:

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
A "fair fight?" What is a "fair fight" anyways?

If we decide that a fight is only fair when the two contestants are evenly matched, then all fair fights will end in a draw. Does this make sense? I don't know about everyone else, but my definition of a fair fight is one in which the two contestants have to play by the same rules. The two contestants don't have to be evenly matched. If Lennox Lewis fights Pee Wee Herman, I consider it a fair fight as long as both fighters wear the same gloves and obey the same rules. It would be an incredible mismatch, but it would still be a fair fight.

When someone hits someone 100 lbs heavier than them in self defense with an equalizer there is nothing unfair about that. When someone hits someone 150 lbs smaller than them without notice... that's not really fair. Apparently our definitions of fair fights aren't the same. Give Pee Wee Herman a tazer and a t-ball bat and you're closer to fair. I've been in a lot of fights and none of them were ever fair. The idea of a fair fights is a losers idea. I mean that in a literal sense. If you fight fair you either lose or are fighting someone you outmatch so bad it might as well be cheating and holds just as little honor. So I say the battle Royale must be "no holds barred" because the only fair fight is the kind where every persons strengths are available. A big guy has physical prowess, and the little wiley guy might have intelligence but it you bar everything but hand to hand fighting you effectively take away all the wily guys skills making the fight even less fair.

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 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
All-out, only one Primarch can raze the surface of planets with his mind and overpower the second most psychically powerful Primarch from the other side of the galaxy.

It's Magnus.

Source?

For which one?

The first happens at the end of A Thousand Sons, the latter happens in Aurelian when he gets into a telepathic duel with Lorgar from the other side of the galaxy, while maintaining a psychic projection. Lorgar was psychically applying pressure to Magnus' mind, who eventually got fed up and blasted him down to his knees, giving him a nosebleed and destroying the architecture of the room. In Betrayer, Lorgar actually notes that Magnus' projection alone is so powerful that even being near it hurts his head.

In Aurelian Magnus also says how much stronger Lorgar is. Pre heresy Lorgar wouldn't stan a chance but in the Heresy after the Isstvan system and after Ultramar... I think he would be in the top 3. Magnus, Russ, Lorgar. I only think Russ is in it because he is protected against psychic attacks by his own latent ability.

OgreChubbs wrote:


Hands down would be Angron or Curse. They both tried and succeeded in killing primarchs, they both have the will to kill..

Russ didn't "kill" Magnus, but he did shower in psychic storm magnus unleashed on his face during the fight. I swear every telling of that fight has it different. Sometimes magnus only boosted his combat powers, other readings are that magnus realized it was over, but didn't want to go down without a fight and went buckwild. In any event, Magnus was mortally wounded and no longer has a physical body. The stuff about Russ being Ko'ed by the lion, that was a sucker punch and everyone knows it!

For all the savage tactician stuff Russ has going for him, 1V1 is Angrons thing, and I don't see many beating him.

Sangy>angron.

Think skilled swordsman vs hulking brute.