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Entirely correct. The shoulder pads are terminator ones, GS´ed in the corners to make them into a proper shape.

The right pad on this guy has not been greystuffed yet, but I´ve added the plasticard backing, as you can see in the picture.

In other news, I´ve been further inspired by the excellent Pre-Heresy Ultramarine thread elsewhere on this forum, by the excellent Apologist. So I´ll be going with some fluffiness for these guys, as it comes to mind.

what the hell is up with people doing true scale models. whats next, a true scale rhino. jeez

Umm, what?

Not getting that post, are you being funny, or are you genuinely upset that people want marines to look the part, rather than be stunted and tiny?

Also, a truescale rhino would rock!

That wouldn't be that hard. The tricky bit would be scaling the details, Tracks etc.

sA

There has been a few threads in which people were going to true size a rhino or land raider, never seen one to fruition though.

kharndude wrote:what the hell is up with people doing true scale models. whats next, a true scale rhino. jeez

You mean like this?

By the way (sorry for the double posting here) but erm, how did you manage to get the terminator arms in such a way that he is holding the boltgun with two hands?

they look awsome

Yeah, would be nice to see one finished. Not by me though, I already have too many projects cooking.

Malika, thanks for noticing the arms, I did extensive cutting, repositioning and GS´ing of the arms. Also, very importantly, I use assault terminators, their arms are way better suited for this stuff than the regular termies.

Will start painting marine number two today, yay!

kharndude wrote:what the hell is up with people doing true scale models. whats next, a true scale rhino. jeez

A serious answer for a silly question: rhinos pretty much are already truescale. GW tends to make their tanks significantly larger than their real world counterparts. For instance, the M113, a Vietnam era tank the Rhino was based on, is only 2.5 meters tall, ~8 feet tall if I am doing the math right. The M2 Bradley is only 9.5 feet tall including the turret. That puts them at under 2" tall to scale.
Now, Marines being bulkier and a bit taller than normal humans, one could assume they needed a bit more space. The M113 carried 11 passengers, so marines being ~1/3 larger than humans +armor, it could perhaps hold 6 marines. To get 10 in there, you are probably looking at an additional 50% length to the crew compartment, and another 20% to the height. (The height is lesser due to the fact the marines don't need standing room, but width is always needed.)
At anyrate, I don't have a rhino with me, but I am fairly certain they are a little more than 2" tall, and fairly long, so I suspect the adjustments would be very minor.

A little more on topic, I agree with Migs that the guns are just too big. We can assume the bolters are already pretty close to true scale, and possibly a bit bigger, out of the box. They only fire rounds the size of 12 guage shotgun slugs after all. More especially though, it makes other units using bolters look tiny by comparison. The bolter looks tiny in the hands of a marine, but huge in the hands of anyone else.
Plus, when you look at real models to scale, the guns are not nearly so large. Even large shotguns are not as big around as someone's arms. Presumably future guns are a bit bigger, having things in them that are not "action, barrel, stock", but perhaps not so big as they are represented.

Also, I agree that the bare headed fellow's neck looks REALLY long. Nicking off the bottom 1/3 of the neck bulb ought to do the trick.

A great project though. Contrary to some people, I think true scaling models is excellent, and really shows what sort of awesome some dedication can produce. Your marines will no doubt be the envy of your play group!

I got the idea of another thread, if you looking to do "True Scale" you can go one of two ways, either "Biggerise" your marines.... or "Littlerise" your other figures!

Anyone know of anyone going the other way and doing "True Scale IG" instead? Maybe with non GW figures?

The advantage there is the architecture still looks big, the vehicles don't change and your Orcs are FETHING HUGE!!! :-)

Comments?

I did see somebody on Warseer pull that off once, he made smaller IG troops. The problem was that the weapons looked even more ridiculous than they do now.

I also saw some true scale Orks, well...they were just beefed up a bit but they looked great. Orks are supposed to be 6-7 feet tall, whilst Marines are 7-8 feet tall.

Yea, if you were going to do true scale IG with another brand of figures, you would have to use the weapons that came with the 25mm kit and manipulate the weapons some. Probably doable, but you would be doing a lot of explaining since things like plasma and melta would be less recognizable.

Thanks for the comments Wehrkind, lots of stuff I can use in there. In particular, your insights on tank sizes are interesting.

As for the boltgun discussion, yes I do realize that they are huge. Now, if there was a smaller boltgun for guardsmen I´d be fine with that too, but drawing on fluff from Abnett´s GG books, a guardsman should not be able to use an Astartes boltgun.

It is mentioned several times through the series, that equipment made for marines is way too big for the guard.

So bigger for marines, or smaller for guard, would be the two ways. However, the first guy has been given a flamer, and I´ll be redesigning the boltguns.

Wehrkind wrote:....rhinos pretty much are already truescale....To get 10 in there, you are probably looking at an additional 50% length to the crew compartment, and another 20% to the height.

Well now, that's a bit contradictory!

I like the bigger guns, I just don't like that drum magazine you put on there.

Mighty fine kneepad on that first marine, mighty fine!

It seems as though the backpacks are now very small on their back, considering they've been beefed up everywhere else. Following my general stream of thought, I'd assume that the power requirements would probably still be the same scale as everything else, but that's just my assumption.

Great work, As a blood angel myself I love that someone is doing these, synapse started one over at warseer but I don't think we ever saw it completed. I like the shoulder pads and the rounder feel to the model's armour. I think the collar seems a little weird, his neck ends up looking to long to be under the armour with the smaller feel to the head. The helmet would sadly have to be sunk a little down into the collar if the armour is truly as thick as they make it to seem to be.
I found this a while back maybe you can use some of this info http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?showtopic=1230

@Lord Kaesar: The backpacks do look smaller now, but I have decided to go with it for now, as these are already a lot of work per model. I may change my mind later though, I have been known to do so...

@tcraigen: Thanks, I´ve been a fan of the blood angels for years, but have never felt that the time was right for them. However, with this project I´m finally getting to pour some creativity into them, and I´m having lots of fun with the armor types, as well as converting them in general. The helmets are a problem that I´m still working on, but with the sarge I think it´s gotten better, his helmet is bigger than the regular ones. I may need to redo the head on the flamer marine.


Well, it´s been quite a while since I posted updates here as well, so here goes. I´ve finished the second brother marine to a stage that I´m pretty happy about. He´s got a flamer, or possibly even a heavy flamer, that´s been converted from a sentinel HF. As he is wearing full Mk5 (Heresy) Armor, I found that I was lacking places for his company and squad marlkings. Therefore he comes equipped with the experimental Mk1. Enhanced Gauntlets, with Boarding armor.

He has not gotten final highlights yet, so he´s still a bit darker than his brother, but he´s getting there.

Also, I´ve finished (mostly) the sculpting work on the sarge! The sarge has a set of Mk4 (Maximus) armor, which was a challenge to model, but I think is coming along now. His feet are still WIP, and there are touch ups here and there to do, but in general, he´s done.

Of course, no hardy strike team of space marine can get to where they are going without proper transport, so I´ve painted up a Rapid strike vessel for them. It is the first of three such, after which I´ll be doing a strike cruiser. I´ve also got an Aeronautica Imperialis scale Thunderhawk on the way for them, but no 40K thunderhawk for now. Those are just too big and impractical for now.

Anyways, enough with my ramblings, here be the pictures!

omg look at the sarges chainsword!!!! you could eat your dinner of it!

ofc i personally wouldnt. you know....cos of the whirring blades n' stuff.

i really like these models makes me wish i had a true scale marine :(

These are great models - I always loved TS Marines, and wish I had the time and resources to have my army be of them. Alas - I simply have to hold the models closer to my eyes . . .

In any case; re. the weapons. I always maintained there should be ONE class of bolt weapon. Basically, the action and mechanism of a bolter is the same for a pistol or a rifle; they both have pistol grips, load with the same type of magazine etc. etc.

My view is that there should be a pistol-shaped weapon which is scaled for someone Marine sized (so, a big, blocky thing about a foot long and a six-inch square cross-section. This should have a detachable grip (which can be swapped out for one tailored to the user's hand) and the option to slap a stock and / or a side handle on it (so it becomes a rifle for a smaller / regular individual). The Gyrojet qualities of a bolter round mean a long barrel does not significantly impact accuracy - rifle weapons are more accurate in this case because of the three points of contact (hand, hand, shoulder).

So, I would expect SoBs to be armed with what are basically bolt pistols with extended stocks and grips.

In terms of rules, I would simply count the bolter as a rapid fire weapon with a range of 24 which can be used as a pistol (range of 12) by a Marine if he wishes (these rules based on previous editions, and so may have been superceeded by B4M and AoBR!)

Sorry - slightly off-topic there.

Ahhhhh stop it! You're making me want to abandon my new Guard project and start a true scale marines one instead :p

Nice work though

I'm happy to see you're making the effort. Great start so far.

Just a few things...your proportions are not very strong, in terms of where things should fall on the model.

http://realcolorwheel.com/human.htm

That site has a ton of reference on how the model should be proportioned (if it didn't have armor on).

Basically, your torsos are too long and legs too short.

@Darknight: Thanks. Interesting to hear your thought, I may give that a whirl when I start on the bolt pistols, and more bolt weapons.

@endtransmission: Muahhahahahh, that is indeed my evil plan, to convert more people to properly scaled models.

@stormtitan: Excellent site there, I´ve been needing a site like that. This should make things easier in the future.

The last guy in particular ended up with his torso being a rather long, I may have to make his legs longer, especially after hearing your comments

I like the bolter size myself. Just sayin'.

(insert freud comments here).


I'm impressed sir, inspired to do some TS work myself now.

With the proportions, also keep in mind that a Marine will of course be longer in the middle, to allow for all of the extra organs, and may also be tailored for their armour. So indeed, though the 8 heads to a body thing is a cool idea, it should also be remembered that Marines essentially have an extra head length, bringing them to their true 7 feet.

So yeah, they aren't the right proportion for average people. But they're above that, both physically and heightwise.

Biology aside, a model that has an extra head's worth of length in the torso just looks awkward. It makes the legs look funny and stumpy. I think the SM are supposed to look like heroic, Herculean giants--and in order to do so, they need to maintain human proportions.