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Yeah, that too.

Gwar! wrote:

oggers wrote:What about the serilisation thing.

Or the "We'll work you to death in slave mines" like on Vraks?

I've never read anything about that. what's your sources?

IA6 Seige of Vraks

The Eldar

Why? because those self-loving pervs took it one step too far and made a chaos god.

And they won't even apologize for it.

Cryonicleech wrote:The Eldar

Why? because those self-loving pervs took it one step too far and made a chaos god.

And they won't even apologize for it.

Well i guess the saying "everytime you fap god kills a kitten" must be true in warhammer world!

you monkeigh perv kitten killers!!!

Mon-keigh is what the Eldar call humans. Hurr durr.

Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Well, the Eldar may have made a Single Chaos God, but Orks created 2, and Humanity pretty much ensured 3 got as powerful as they are. While the other 3 were around pre humanity, it was only when Humanity started to flourish that they went into overdrive strength mode, as humans have an unusually high "resonance" in the warp relative to their psychic potential.

But the Eldar clearly meant to. It was all due to Eldrad's dickery.

Just as planned.

Cheese Elemental wrote:But the Eldar clearly meant to. It was all due to Eldrad's dickery.

Just as planned.

Yes, that is a great story. I'm gonna have to look it up again now.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Mon-keigh is what the Eldar call humans. Hurr durr.

Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Ya thats why i related earth's saying of fap kills kitten = monkeigh
hurrrrrr!

Eldrad? is he more powerful than Tzeentch itself? sure seems that way... ( you know what i mean lol )

He is not as Powerful as Calgar though! Calgar would be all like, "Oh Hai" and Elrad would be like "haha! I know what you are gonna do before you do it!" before thinking "Hahaha I know he is going to swing a punch at me and th" before being kicked in the shrivelled raisin Eldar Balls.

Have you not seen the level of dickery Eldrad is capable of? He clearly planned for some bored romantic /tg/ writer to write Love can Bloom (don't ask), just so that someone would make Rule 34 out of it so that he could fap.

Just as planned.

Gwar! wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:Mind you, the Eldar are pretty evil. They're pretty racist if you read the books about them carefully, and they went and fethed up a perfectly nice piece of the universe with their furious masturbating.

Well, the Eldar may have made a Single Chaos God, but Orks created 2, and Humanity pretty much ensured 3 got as powerful as they are. While the other 3 were around pre humanity, it was only when Humanity started to flourish that they went into overdrive strength mode, as humans have an unusually high "resonance" in the warp relative to their psychic potential.

uhm... no

the choas gods (minus slanesh) came into being during the war of heaven where in the necrons and the races of the oldones were having at it.
near the end of the war, the old ones came to realise that in creating the super psychicly attuned races being born adn forced to fight the warp was becoming a seething mess.
the enslavers were sent forth, and they became known as the plague that forced the necrons back to thier tomb words.
the enslavers destoryed the old ones, and smashed apart most of the sentient races. (enslavers are daemons)

also; lets not forget that the deciever is set off the entire war in the gothic sector so as to do nothing more than destroy the last of the talismans of vaul (the blackstone fortresses) so it wouldnt have to worry about being beaten down.

the ctan and the necron slaves exist only to destory all life

What is evil? Before you can ask me to tell you what races are evil, you have to define evil for me.

As I see it, the only one race we can apply the term too, at least without a good definition, are humans. As that's the only one we have any real familiarity. To impose your moralistic views upon others, (and to judge them by yours) particularly alien species whose biology, neurology, culture and history are so completely different from your own, is pretty darn close to evil.

Orks - living according to their nature, and genetically programmed to do so, and essentially to not deviate either. Calling them evil is like calling a bear or wolverine evil. While they have rudimentary intelligence by standards of the other races, they have no ability to change their nature. Living according to your nature so if you are physically unable to change isn't evil. Sad perhaps. Being unwilling to evolve may be something we could call evil, being unable is pitiful. Doesn't mean you don't shoot them when they threaten you though.

Eldar, dark eldar - same race. Differing philosophies. Eldar have gone the aesthetic route, but are otherwise operating in flight or fight mode. They are xenophobic, but as every race seems to have a trace of that, it's easily forgivable. Considering that they are a dying race (per the fluff) and there is a god waiting to devour their souls when they die, one can also forgive a certain level of hostility and suspicion. It's a survival mechanism. Every other race they encounter, and quite a bit of their own race, seem out to kill them. So you either run away (which doesn't seem to be working), or you turn and fight. They have the potential to evolve, but are currently fighting extinction.
Dark Eldar - Yes they seek to avoid their own annihilation by sacrificing others. But this is survival. If an aliens pain and death will appease the god trying to consume their soul, and stave off their own mortality, are we to tell them they should commit suicide and not take those steps? If so, at this point you are making a moral judgment that one species is more inherently valuable, which sounds more evil to me than doing what you need to to survive. Oh, and someone mentioned the BDSM stuff, just because your not into something doesn't mean it's evil, just not for you. Otherwise, don't knock it till you try it.

Tyranid, as mentioned are a hive mind whose only goal is to expand. Not as a intellectual goal, but as an instinctive drive. Eat, reproduce, when resources are gone, move on. Rinse, repeat. If they were smart enough to realize the eventual result of such unchecked behavior was that they would eventually strip the universe of everything to eat, guaranteeing their own extinction via starvation, and chose to do so anyhow, then it might qualify as evil if they didn't limit themselves. Might. But as is, locusts aren't evil when they swarm and eat everything, they're just animals. Doesn't mean you don't eliminate them if you can.

Tau - Well, do the ends justify the means? They have committed some things that we might consider atrocities. But then, so have humans. If there's an intelligent race that is in opposition to us, vastly outnumbers us, is very aggressive and has no interest in letting anything that's not them live, reacting violently seems to be a very appropriate reaction. And a concentration camp? Well, they've pretty much been told it's us or them, and that they can not capitulate as they will be eliminated. Considering the population differences, and the afformentioned policies, it's only logical that if you can use the enemies citizens to strengthen your own, that you do so, and that you don't worry so much if the ones you are using die. It doesn't really benefit you to keep them alive. Ruthless efficiency is not necessarily evil, it's just something a little harder than most people are comfortable with.

Chaos - religious fanatics. While such have done a lot of harm throughout our history, the persons doing it have all believed it was for something good. Foolish and misguided is not evil, just stupid. Again, something that you should probably stamp out if you can, the unfortunate thing about attacking a religious group is that it tends to make a lot of people who can find themselves identifying with the religion to become somewhat fanatical themselves.

Necron - may have been evil. They chose to start a galactic policy of xenocide because of jealousy. Not a good reason typically speaking. They, with the humans, stand out as the only ones who aren't lashing out because it's their nature, but by choice, a conscious decision. Or at least they were. As they aren't talking now, and have been subsumed into mechanical bodies with mental imprints on a mechanical matrix, one can argue that they really don't have much choice any more. My computer isn't evil, even if it does suck away my time in great, heaping amounts.

That pretty much leaves the imperium, as you're seperating them from chaos. Can choose otherwise. Can be welcoming. Can overthrow those in control who are keeping them down and the race stagnant and from evolving for TEN THOUSAND YEARS. And they choose not too. That's the closest thing to what I view as evil as I've seen in the game. Too have the choice, everything to gain by trying as well as some hardship in the trying, but to choose not too.

Eldar: They are no more evil then a parent telling their 5 year olds not too eat too much candy.

But to the child's mind , thats pretty evil.

In other words Imperium are just too dumb to know whats going on, and have acted rashly to something they dont understand.

I mean look at the SM killing Idranel.

Hey, the Ork Gods are not Chaos Gods alright.

They regularly beat up and play pranks on the Chaos Gods for fun. Read the fluff!

Dreadwinter wrote:Hey, the Ork Gods are not Chaos Gods alright.

They regularly beat up and play pranks on the Chaos Gods for fun. Read the fluff!

I think by definition a Powerful entity in the Warp counts as a "Chaos God" regardless of semantics.

Immaterium =/= Chaos Entirely

Chaos has 4 gods. (Technically 5)

There are other gods such as Gork and Mork and the Emperor.

Chaos gods are effected by emotions, murder, pain, and death.

Gods such as Gork and Mork are effected by how many people believe in them.

Which is why Gork and Mork are so badass and they can roflpwn the chaos gods, because there are so many Orks.

The Emperor is just an incredibly powerful psychic entity. He was the first Human psyker and still the most powerful to date. Hes not a true "god" really, but his powers are godlike since he can singlehandedly hold off the Chaos Gods in order to keep the Astronomicon going. While his body is pretty much withered and dead, he is still helping Humanity with the Emperors Tarot and the Astronomicon. Now technically he would be a Warp Entity in a way.

So really, powerful warp entity =/= Chaos God all the time

What is more evil? The Chaos God or the race that made them?

dancingcricket wrote:What is evil? Before you can ask me to tell you what races are evil, you have to define evil for me.

As I see it, the only one race we can apply the term too, at least without a good definition, are humans. As that's the only one we have any real familiarity. To impose your moralistic views upon others, (and to judge them by yours) particularly alien species whose biology, neurology, culture and history are so completely different from your own, is pretty darn close to evil.

Wow, I threw up a little when I read that! Pushing PC nonsense into this? We are talking about ficticious things here. Define evil for me?

"Don't judge me, I'm a berzerker, I have to Zerk! It's in my genetic code, er, I don't want to hack people up, the voices tell me too..."

Ha ha ha.

<sarcasm>
Actually no you are right,

Chaos worshippers are just alternate religions, we must respect that and equate it with all other morale codes.
Aliens are just other sentient beings like us, we must not descriminate based on (alien) race.
Tyranids are just creatures trying to survive, we need to nurture them and share the universe.

I'm going to go make myself a peace sign in preparation for the coming of any number of my new overlords!
</sarcasm>

NOT!

Dreadwinter wrote:Nids, obviously.

Why? Is an animal eating to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the food is bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.


I'd say Dark Eldar.

Mattlov wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:Nids, obviously.

Why? Is an animal eating to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the food is bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.


I'd say Dark Eldar.

Why? Is a race that has to do what they do to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the sacrifices are bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.

Mattlov wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:Nids, obviously.

Why? Is an animal eating to survive and continuing it's species (like all natural creatures) evil? Just because the food is bigger and has a "conscious" doesn't make it evil.


I'd say Dark Eldar.

They go beyond just surviving. They are conquering and assimilating into their Hive Fleets.

Tau - Well, do the ends justify the means? They have committed some things that we might consider atrocities. But then, so have humans. If there's an intelligent race that is in opposition to us, vastly outnumbers us, is very aggressive and has no interest in letting anything that's not them live, reacting violently seems to be a very appropriate reaction. And a concentration camp? Well, they've pretty much been told it's us or them, and that they can not capitulate as they will be eliminated. Considering the population differences, and the afformentioned policies, it's only logical that if you can use the enemies citizens to strengthen your own, that you do so, and that you don't worry so much if the ones you are using die. It doesn't really benefit you to keep them alive. Ruthless efficiency is not necessarily evil, it's just something a little harder than most people are comfortable with.

Hear hear!

see? not evil, just strong :-P

Augustus wrote:

dancingcricket wrote:What is evil? Before you can ask me to tell you what races are evil, you have to define evil for me.

As I see it, the only one race we can apply the term too, at least without a good definition, are humans. As that's the only one we have any real familiarity. To impose your moralistic views upon others, (and to judge them by yours) particularly alien species whose biology, neurology, culture and history are so completely different from your own, is pretty darn close to evil.

Wow, I threw up a little when I read that! Pushing PC nonsense into this? We are talking about ficticious things here. Define evil for me?

"Don't judge me, I'm a berzerker, I have to Zerk! It's in my genetic code, er, I don't want to hack people up, the voices tell me too..."

Ha ha ha.

<sarcasm>
Actually no you are right,

Chaos worshippers are just alternate religions, we must respect that and equate it with all other morale codes.
Aliens are just other sentient beings like us, we must not descriminate based on (alien) race.
Tyranids are just creatures trying to survive, we need to nurture them and share the universe.

I'm going to go make myself a peace sign in preparation for the coming of any number of my new overlords!
</sarcasm>

NOT!

Actually, it looks like you didn't quite read the entire post. At no point did I say welcome them with open arms or submit to them. I said that I don't feel correct in making a moral judgement concerning the behavior or animals, or aliens that I can't truly understand. It doesn't mean that you don't fight them if they're agressive.

I don't need to label my foes as evil to make myself feel good about fighting them. True, I don't descriminate. But I guarantee I want to survive and thrive at least as much as you do, so while I can be accepting that you value your race, culture, etc., as it's yours, don't try to foist it off on me or hurt me because your philosophy tells you to. I guarantee the results will be, unpleasant.

LunaHound wrote:
Eldar: They are no more evil then a parent telling their 5 year olds not too eat too much candy.

But to the child's mind , thats pretty evil.

In other words Imperium are just too dumb to know whats going on, and have acted rashly to something they dont understand.

I mean look at the SM killing Idranel.

Eldar are selfish poofters. They'll sacrifice entire innocent worlds just to preserve their own lives. That is outright evil. I mean, they claim to be protecting the galaxy from Chaos and the Necrons, but they're just trying to buy themselves more time, which will be wasted.

And Idranel deserved to die. She was the lamest Farseer ever, because
1. She used MIND BULLETS.
2. She had no boob armour, which was a great disappointment to /tg/ and myself.

\Cheese Elemental you are too naive ( a boy after all )

Dont you know the source of Idranel's power?
Its the rage fueled by her wash board.
Sigh you double monkeighs!



The science behind it :

I'm naive? You are the one who thinks that there is such a thing as love in the Grim Darkness.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I'm naive? You are the one who thinks that there is such a thing as love in the Grim Darkness.

There is love in the Grim Darkness.

Love of killing gak and taking names!

I can't belive this post has 3 pages already.