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The records the Resistance have access to would have been destroyed. Doesn't prevent Skynet from having such details, surely?

We're talking about the new movie, which is largely about SkyNet going after Kyle Reese. Sooo...

On a related note, JD Salinger thinks the new movie is awesome:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_terminator_movie_brings_j_d

Really can't see the reason for all the hate. I wanted to see a cool gritty film about a war between humans and robots and this film delivered that superbly.

The robots where cool the terminators actually sounded heavy and threatening and the 'feel' of the post nuclear wasteland was fantastic.

I don't get the love for the future war scenes in the first 2 movies with the mountains of skulls being crushed underfoot, it just seemed a bit too 'grimdark'. I also was very pleased to that the awful neon laser/plasma guns were discarded, the horrible remnant of the 80's that they were!

Sure there where plot holes, but not half as many as Star Trek and people were more than happy to forgive that anything.

PistolWraithCaine wrote:
Bat Manuel, yeah me too. I'm also wondering how the hell they even knew to be after him in the first place.

From the police reports, where they interogated him in the first movie?


GG

Moz: I'm not looking for spoilers, but was there any premise provided for the pursuit of Reese? In the prior Terminator franchises, Skynet had no clue who Reese was other than another resistance fighter. Smells a bit like to me unless there was justified time-travelly unravelling of established events...

Mad Doc & GG: In T1, Reese was pretty specific about *SKYNET* not having that information, not the resistance... sounds like a lack of continuity to me

LuciusAR wrote:I also was very pleased to that the awful neon laser/plasma guns were discarded, the horrible remnant of the 80's that they were!

It's true that the special effects of the time don't match up to today's, but Reese told Sarah that there wasn't any way he could stop the Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 (ahnold) with weapons from her time, that they weren't advanced enough to damage it, namely the shotgun he unloaded into it in the nightclub. People these days like their dakka dakka though, so I can understand that change.

EDIT: that's some alliteration in my opening sentance, eh?

Here's my only comment back to those that said about plot holes and failed logic. My thought is, when time travel is involved and there's a constant shift of different events taking place based off one different selection of choices (T3 - Terminator sent back to kill Connors top generals) -OR- when major story-developing characters gain new and different information (Connor knows about Reese beforehand, Connor is told in 3 that an Ahnold "kills" him, etc.) then of course there's going to be plot hole changes throughout. Each time something is sent back, everything basically changes. You can't send something back into the past without changing the future. The power of Skynet at one point at one time within one movie could have been drastically different than at another time based simply around if someone did something different this time around.

Connors wasn't the general of the resistance yet which could just be a matter of time or could be because something happened in past events that ended up saving Ashdale and the rest from being killed on judgment day.

Perhaps due to the actions of the Terminators in T3, Skynet didn't complete as many T-800s as early. If the T-800 in T4 is a prototype unit, they won't have made many of them as they'd want to work out the kinks. Perhaps Connor made for a perfect initial test run. They even say that even without Skynet's base, it's still heavily active and ready all over. Could be why they just "allowed" Connor in. Testing your new model unknowingly against the person you plan on using it on is a great trial by fire. Perhaps they change the T-800 because of the battle with Connor.

Basically, so many things can easily change to make things not congruent with past movies simply by Time Travel being heavily involved within the main plotline of the movie.

Make sense or did I ramble too much?

You made sense,
that movie was awesome. . . simply too epic

I feel that it was the appetizer for transformers

Well I just saw it here in Red China, great theater, the sound system made my clothes vibrate.

There were one or two obvious cuts, I'll have to see it again on DVD and I'm not sure that scene where Skynet is defeated by workers and peasants applying Mao Tse Deng thought and Deng Xiaoping Theory was in the original cut but I digress...

I liked it.

On the 2 big plot holes my thought was from T2. Skynet is in a timeloop the technology to create it cannot exist unless it sends terminators back to the 80s and 90s, so it needs to keep Conner and Kyle alive to fulfil their destinies.

Some of the cheese made my groan. Conner's pregnant wife going on a combat mission? AND she can do a field heart transplant? Wasn't she a vetranarian?

The pilot whipping off the helmet to reveal a hot Eurasain Chick... All the stock characters surviving... the cute black girl saving the day...

But it was worth it. Any film that celebrates the awesomeness of the A-10 Warthog can't be bad.

LuciusAR wrote:Really can't see the reason for all the hate. I wanted to see a cool gritty film about a war between humans and robots and this film delivered that superbly.

The robots where cool the terminators actually sounded heavy and threatening and the 'feel' of the post nuclear wasteland was fantastic.

I don't get the love for the future war scenes in the first 2 movies with the mountains of skulls being crushed underfoot, it just seemed a bit too 'grimdark'. I also was very pleased to that the awful neon laser/plasma guns were discarded, the horrible remnant of the 80's that they were!

I agree with you on the first part, I don't see the reason for the hate.

However, I disagree with you on the second part. I loved the meshing of the sort of B-movie sci fi with complete, total grimdarkness of skeleton robots crushing mountains upon mountains of human skulls while firing weapons that go "pew! pew! pew!"

I love that stuff, that's how I've envisioned WH40k to be honest.

Gavin Thorne wrote:Moz: I'm not looking for spoilers, but was there any premise provided for the pursuit of Reese? In the prior Terminator franchises, Skynet had no clue who Reese was other than another resistance fighter. Smells a bit like to me unless there was justified time-travelly unravelling of established events...

Mad Doc & GG: In T1, Reese was pretty specific about *SKYNET* not having that information, not the resistance... sounds like a lack of continuity to me

LuciusAR wrote:I also was very pleased to that the awful neon laser/plasma guns were discarded, the horrible remnant of the 80's that they were!

It's true that the special effects of the time don't match up to today's, but Reese told Sarah that there wasn't any way he could stop the Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 (ahnold) with weapons from her time, that they weren't advanced enough to damage it, namely the shotgun he unloaded into it in the nightclub. People these days like their dakka dakka though, so I can understand that change.

EDIT: that's some alliteration in my opening sentance, eh?

Ahh, but don't forget that the events of T1 and T2, as revealed in T3, managed to postpone Judgement Day somewhat. Thus the continuity is automatically thrown.

Me, I'm still convinced Skynet has a greater knowledge the future than the Resistance. It makes a lot of sense as to why it didn't kill Kyle Reese.

Besides you want a continuity flaw? T2 itself. According to Reese, the Termination of Sarah Connor was a last ditch plan by Skynet once the Resistance were on the brink of humping it royally. Final victory he said!

So...I reckon Skynet needs John Connor alive and well for some reason. Otherwise, knowing who Reese was, and capturing him rather than killing him to be used as bait is utterly nonsensical. The actionos in Salvation bring Reese and Connor together, thus ensuring Connors birth.

Of course, it's entirely possible the Resistance, having achieved final victory, know all this and sent back a reprogrammed Terminator with super future knowledge to ensure Skynet acted in a specific way.

T2 was awesome. T1 was nearly as awesome. T3 was fun. T4 is terrible. It's just not a good movie. Nether was Transformers btw

THen you is patently wrong matey

But of course entitled to your (Wrong) opinion, no matter just how wrong (Very in case you were wondering) it may (it is) or may not (no, it's definitely wrong) be.

You see, none of these movies can make any sense, even when we sit here and try to come up with some consistent idea of why and how anything happened. I'm becoming more and more convinced that time travel as a plot point is mistake akin to malignant cancer.

But the Warthogs weren't awesome enough. The fact that the gun the plane is strapped too didn't completely saw the hunter-killers and carrier in half was very disappointing.

The whole point of Terminator is that they're all separate, but possible, realities. We're just seeing one of them.

That's why there are plot holes and inconsistencies.

I thought the film was awesome. I thought the plot itself was fairly refreshing actually, in that I didn't think it was the same old action movie template with terminator branding and they'd actually put some thought into it.

And plotholes? Are they even possible in a story about time travel?

But....what about the TV series......and yes, I would sleep with the TV version Sarah Conner.....and more then once!

I didn't hate it but it was certainly flawed. I liked it more when it was focused on the day to day survival and I liked the part with . I give it a C+ out of 10.

It was okay. There were a few things which bothered me and I wouldn't really recomend it to fans of the original.
T1 and T2 had this great feeling with the unstoppable machine which kills everything and can't be killed itself. The original T-800 and the T-1000 are still two of the most threatening movie villains ever imho.
Salvation just failed to deliver that. It was a nice action-flick but that's about it. Also, there was a lot of cheesy dialog. I can't remember the last time bad dialog bothered me so much in a movie. The effects were okay.


Also, dear Hollywood producers. Obviously, Danny Elfman is not interested in making a score for your summer blockbuster. So please don't ask him. Seriously, the soundtrack was just boring.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

LuciusAR wrote:Really can't see the reason for all the hate. I wanted to see a cool gritty film about a war between humans and robots and this film delivered that superbly.

The robots where cool the terminators actually sounded heavy and threatening and the 'feel' of the post nuclear wasteland was fantastic.

I don't get the love for the future war scenes in the first 2 movies with the mountains of skulls being crushed underfoot, it just seemed a bit too 'grimdark'. I also was very pleased to that the awful neon laser/plasma guns were discarded, the horrible remnant of the 80's that they were!

I agree with you on the first part, I don't see the reason for the hate.

However, I disagree with you on the second part. I loved the meshing of the sort of B-movie sci fi with complete, total grimdarkness of skeleton robots crushing mountains upon mountains of human skulls while firing weapons that go "pew! pew! pew!"

I love that stuff, that's how I've envisioned WH40k to be honest.

I agree with Vlad, everything in the T1/T2 fight scenes made it awesome. The lasers, the towering Hunter killers, the road-warrior style trucks, the piles of skulls.

This was what i expected from terminator salvation.

Sure it was a good action movie but I got a whole bunch of one on ones when I expected legions of grinning marching death machines, slowing advancing while dudes with lasers and jeeps fleed as explosions flew everywhere.

Also skulls/more grimdark. That would have been awesome