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RE: Comments about never being Female Space Marines. EVER.

I recall there being female space marines way way way back in Rogue trader days. There is art of one in the original book (she has on a flying nun hat on a 2 page art piece) long before marines were ever genetically modified super suds. There are also 2 figures in the Adventurers range advertised in White Dwarf 90, or 92 (don’t have my collection out of storage so I cannot site page number off hand).


I also like the true scaling work you have done here. The waist looks a little wonky in the grey pictures, but for some reason it did not extend to the painted version.

@EdlovesJon

I love arguing with random people on the Internet.

1. Perhaps my example was a little too subtle, or did you miss the part about imagining there being an inch of armour encasing your hand?
2. Others have already pointed this out, but do note that while your skull remains the same size, an increased muscle bulk will make your head seem smaller in comparison.
3. You can modify cars in such a way that your finished product has far better performance than the stock model, while looking no different from the outside, why should armour be any different?

A space suit is indeed an excellent analogy to armour, as I wil elaborate Historically, plate armour wearers had a leather undergarment, followed by a chain mail surcoat, which was then topped off by the plate armour itself. Modern day combat armour is worn on top of fatigues, and would consist of a kevlar vest with pockets for ceramic plates (analogous to the historical chain + plate mail). A space suit has a form fitting under layer, with additional layers laced together on top of it to provide insulation, protection against micrometeoroids etc. For EVA (ExtraVehicular Activity) use, you have more layers on top of that to accomodate extra insulation and protection. Some versions have a hard chest and torso plates as well. If you think carefully, it is really built like armour, just that it's armour against the elements rather than against bullets. Space Marine armour is supposed to be sealed environmentally as well, so it stands to reason that underneath the ceramic plates and power-assist, you would have a structure very similar to that of a space suit. And if you look at a space suit, it makes the wearer completely androgynous, like the Michelin man.

As for realism and whether or not someone would actually fit into the suit, it just doesn't work because no human can fit into one of those things, whether my modified model or the original. As you can see from luminaires like the following: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/costumes-101-16.jpg fitting a human with regular proportions into space marine armour is really weird. I do believe GW took artistic license in the design of the suits, in that the armour as a whole was designed on the 8-head high superhuman scheme rather than the armour being designed around a human. Hence why the armour has regular human proportions, despite the fact that it's supposed to be inches thick at places. This extends into certain "deformities" in the design as well, notable among them the hands. While I did argue above that armour would make the hands bigger, it still doesn't alter the fact that GW's hands are grossly oversized (all their models suffer from this) in comparison to the rest of the body. I do believe this was done as a conscious stylistic choice, to make the model 'pop' more on the tabletop. As I was not prepared to invest the time in resculpting the hands, I just rationalise them as being bigger due to the armour. At least on marines there is a valid rationalisation, the Fantasy Zombies have similarly sized hands to marines and they're supposed to be rotting and naked.

tl:dr - I took certain artistic liberties with the design of the model, erring on the side of attractiveness against realism. In comparison with the original, which was neither realistic nor attractive, I call it an improvement.

With regards to the base, I actually took the technique from here: http://www.chestofcolors.com/cofc-postnuke/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=45&page=1 I had to modify it a little because my washes ended up being a bit too strong, so I washed all the marble areas with a thinned down glaze of white. Also, if you want that really shiny polished marble look, use several coats of gloss varnish (or future floor wax) on it.

@Alpharius

Five Star Stories is an old (and still technically running) manga series by manga artist Mamoru Nagano. The guy's got one whacked up imagination, and you can get scans of the series online if you google around a little. Don't bother looking for the originals, because it is OOP and exceedingly difficult to find even when it *was* in print...

Well ZandrisIV , i basically tried to explain to others what you just said with the Michelin tire pic lol , but i guess i failed :<

@Luna

I'm just really really verbose... Don't worry about it.

Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.


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Oh I just seen your response.

Putting a 7'5" person in armour that only fits a 7'0" person is not going to fit correctly.

Putting a man with a 70" chest is not going to wear the same armour that a man with a 75" chest.

A woman that has breasts is not going to be put into a piece of armour that does not fit her.

We are not talking lose fitting clothing. We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove. Speaking of gloves an inch think glove is not going to make a womans hand bigger than her head. Woman tend to have small hands.

It's nice that you can just make things up to try to support your arguement.

I have modified one of your pictures and if you have an e-mail i'll send it to you. It still looks good and it looks more like a woman wearing armour.

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.

And which drug is this that is able to change their skeletal structure?

Nice try.

I know many people have been wanting to say this but they didnt want to be rude , so i'll say it.
Lets see you do better , then we'll talk.

LunaHound wrote:

And which drug is this that is able to change their skeletal structure?

Nice try.

I know many people have been wanting to say this but they didnt want to be rude , so i'll say it.
Lets see you do better , then we'll talk.

Ummm, my guess would be the drug that helps you forget that someone's brutally changing your bones? BAD NEWS: We're going to break and reset your bones. GOOD NEWS: Lookit all this morphine.....

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.


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Oh I just seen your response.

Putting a 7'5" person in armour that only fits a 7'0" person is not going to fit correctly.

Putting a man with a 70" chest is not going to wear the same armour that a man with a 75" chest.

A woman that has breasts is not going to be put into a piece of armour that does not fit her.

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You seem to be under the impression that all women have DD chests or something or another. \
If you've looked at LunaHound's comparison, the women of that anime/manga seem to be as flatchested as a man.

And anyways, can't it be assumed it has form fitting on the INSIDE of the armor?
Oh, and look at women in the military. http://www.jezblog.com/images/20080723235804_us-woman-soldier-52.jpg

Do you see any indication that she has breasts? I don't.

Model looks great!

Great model! No matter what anyone says.

We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove.

Since when is SM power armor "form-fitting"? I'm curious. I've never read anything in the fluff that would say it is "form-fitting. All I know about SM srmor is that it ceramite plate and that it connects to the SM black carapace. Doesn't say how it is attached to the black carapace either. Could be attached using cables for all I know. I do know from reading the books though that a SM wears a body glove under power armor. So I would think the armor isn't directly connected to the black carapace, but most likely through some type of cable/port system.

I thought I felt my neckbeard tingling...

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ZandrisIV wrote:
5. And finally for kicks, see if I could make an "attractive" female space marine without resorting to sculpting planets onto the chestplate.

Mission accomplished!

Great work. I like the head you used. Is this going to be a whole army or was this one for display purposes/fun?

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

Because space marines are really natural and don't take anything to change their bodies.

@EdlovesJon

For someone who seems to be wilfully ignoring every point I make to regurgitate the same tired arguments over and over, I love how you are accusing ME of making stuff up. Actually do some research before posting, because I did, and I would rather not waste my time arguing with you if you can't be bothered to back your statements up properly.

1. Space marines have implants coming out the wazoo that meddle with their body's metabolism natural growth. What is this nonsense about taking testosterone? The drug you are looking for is anabolic steroids, which has some androgenic effects (like testosterone) in addition to its anabolic (muscle building effects). High levels of testosterone on its own merely reduces the feminine secondary sexual characteristics but AFAIK has no anabolic or strength enhancing effects.

2. I still don't see how you fail to understand that the internal structure of the armour can be form-fitted to accomodate breasts while retaining a neutral external appearance. Plus, a female who has undergone that much therapy (assuming that Space-Marinization doesn't effectively turn them into males) and exercise will *not* have much in terms of breasts. Many people have posted photos and references to female bodybuilders, have you bothered to even look at them? Their pectorals look EXACTLY the same like those of their male counterparts, in fact, without the bikinis you would be hard pressed to tell they were female in the first place!

3. The same way women tend to have smaller hands, they also tend to have smaller heads. Learn your anatomy before opening your mouth the next time.

4. Re: photo If you think it looks good, why not just post it in this thread? There's nothing stopping you. If you refuse to accept my opinions as being valid (even if you disagree with them), then I have no obligation to accept yours.

@djphrang

It's a one shot only. Wanted to try out some freehanding and the marble effects, as well as try my hand at truescaling a marine. The modification process I did is not quite as convenient to execute as some of the others out there, hence building an army of them is not practical. In any case, I've said before that I personally don't believe in femmarines, so I wouldn't build an army of them anyway. As a one off display piece it's fine, but I wouldn't field an army of them.

I wish she was my girlfriend.

Screw the whole do they don't they fit in this universe debate.

As mentioned this is the painting and modeling section, and they are brilliant on both counts.

Ironhide wrote:Great model! No matter what anyone says.

We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove.

Since when is SM power armor "form-fitting"? I'm curious. I've never read anything in the fluff that would say it is "form-fitting. All I know about SM srmor is that it ceramite plate and that it connects to the SM black carapace. Doesn't say how it is attached to the black carapace either. Could be attached using cables for all I know. I do know from reading the books though that a SM wears a body glove under power armor. So I would think the armor isn't directly connected to the black carapace, but most likely through some type of cable/port system.

LOL! It IS attached by cables....

@mauleedlovesyakface: Why are we talking about natural bodies in the context of spess mahreens? They have 18 genetic implants which give them two hearts, instant scar tissue, a super-stomach which lets them get the memories of what they're eating, super-vision, a third kidney that lets them survive just about any poison, a second super-stomach, a fused and hardened skeleton, super-blood, a third bio-engineered lung, a super-ear which also stops them being dizzy, acid spit, a poisonous bite, a plastic rib-covering with interfaces for the power armour, a sense of smell like a tracker dog's, a super sense of taste, an ability to stay awake for upwards of 240 days AND the phase 3 Biscopaea, which is basically a testosterone and steroid factory inside the marine's body.
And you're arguing that a drug altered body is not in context? Good luck with winning this argument.

Like the model though.

Wow, weird thread arguing against female space marines. For all those female space marines, just know that Chaos will happily accept your worship... ladies.

In any case, modelling is awesome, and the painting is win too.

You have no idea about how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Look up some of Doc Thunder's threads. And then cower in fear.

Little late in showing up to comment on the model.

Nice, however, a couple of suggestions.


More skin
Bigger ta-ta's.

Ah, yes, she would be much more protected in knee high leather boots and fishnet stockings

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Ah, yes, she would be much more protected in knee high leather boots and fishnet stockings

My point exactly...I mean, with a low cut breastplate, I can see her now.

To the Khorne Berserker...."You wouldnt hurt....*these* would you?" cradling her bosums.

Well, if he's making a throne from skulls, maybe Khorne makes his bed from... maybe not.

Very nice work.

If she were a Slaaneshi marine, she'd need at least 6 breasts though.

1) When I wear cricket gloves, my hands get pretty damned big. Not as big as mu head, but close enough to not let it worry me in the context of a plastic model.
2) Spaz Muhreenz don't have babies, not even Gurl Spez Murnz. If the boobies would get in the way, I'm betting the science boffins would feel little guilt about chopping the useless boobies off altogether. I suddenly wonder if Boi Spaz Manz even keep their peepees, or if they have an artificial tube leading directly into a catheter.

Could we please stay on subject please and not deviate from whats important.

Whats important being, of course, HUGE Spaize Marinette Dairy Pillows.

Deadshane,

Doc Thunder's threads are that way --->

4chan is this way <---

I am sure they will both satisfy your cravings for HUEG SPAZE MARINEH DAIRY PILLOWS.

Unfortunately, my tastes tend to a little more moderate :(. I blame genetics.

Psst, also, it takes *real skillz* to sculpt nice looking bare skin and low cut armour. Unfortunately I am not in possession of those skills. Too many robots and spaceships in my childhood.

ZandrisIV wrote:Well, I lied a little, counting the numerous paint splattered abortions many years ago, this lady is something like my eleventh space marine. Why female, you cry? Well, it's more for the 'fun factor' than anything else. This model is a one-off, so fluff purists (of whom I would consider myself a member) need not fear an army of blasphemous female space marines appearing on a gaming table near you any time soon.I started this little project off more as a test bed for some new techniques I wanted to try out. The main points were:

1. Make a truescale marine
2. Try some freehand instead of using decals like I usually do.
3. Test out a technique for making a marble effect base. - Technique taken from Chest of Colours
4. Mixing gloss and matt areas on a model.
5. And finally for kicks, see if I could make an "attractive" female space marine without resorting to sculpting planets onto the chestplate. I am aiming for a reasonably "realistic" portrayal of a female with a regular Space Marine's physique in power armour. So, no chestplate modifications, because if there's anything left underneath after all those space-steroids and hormones have done their work, it would be covered up by the incredibly thick plate of armour anyway. However, I did slim the body down a little, to help give a slightly more feminine cast to the model. Otherwise, the watchword here is "subtle".

I am pretty happy with the results of 1-4, and as for 5, well, that is awaiting judgement. Main modifications to the figure are the slimming of the legs during the lengthening process, adjusting the angle of the pelvis, trimming down the codpiece and of course, tacking on a nicely sculpted head I borrowed from another model. She was supposed to have a helmet and grenades attached to her belt as well, but I lost the helmet, and I was too lazy to paint the grenades.



Details:


WIP


Comments and criticisms welcomed as always.

Disclaimer - I do not believe in female space marines. I merely did it for kicks.

P.S Cookies for anyone who gets the references.

Coming in late as I saw this after the thread was reported. I love it. excellent job of painting. The concept of a female space marine fits excellently with my view on what that would be like (aka non-material fdifference). Excellent.

Here is what it should look like.

Here is another that I did.

yeah,
awesome thread! I love a bit of nerd rage and a uber troll.

I like the original mini alot but have to agree with MLY his photoshoped image looks better. but it would have taken much more effort to sculpt.

Panic...