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MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:Taking testosterone to get muscles is not good for you. These woman have altered there make up by taking drugs. This is not normal. Put NATURAL bodybuilders that have no drug use and you'll see the difference.

This is like the Tobacco company using its own Doctors to say that smoking is not bad for you.

Nice try.


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Oh I just seen your response.

Putting a 7'5" person in armour that only fits a 7'0" person is not going to fit correctly.

Putting a man with a 70" chest is not going to wear the same armour that a man with a 75" chest.

A woman that has breasts is not going to be put into a piece of armour that does not fit her.

We are not talking lose fitting clothing. We are talking about armour that is suppost to fit you like a glove. Speaking of gloves an inch think glove is not going to make a womans hand bigger than her head. Woman tend to have small hands.

It's nice that you can just make things up to try to support your arguement.

I have modified one of your pictures and if you have an e-mail i'll send it to you. It still looks good and it looks more like a woman wearing armour.

Christ... Learn when to let it go...

Armor fitting like a glove; look especially at the model in the bottom left corner.


AND armor composed of layers of cement and ultra-hard metal:


Oh my GAWD! Can it be?

Space Marines wear tank armor. That is an undisputed fact; even the rules illustrate that, stating when a model with a 3+ save is on a vehicle that would normally make it open topped, the vehicle is in fact, not open topped.

Tank armor. You think they're going to curve cement and uber-metals for women? Or just have a body glove, then put on the tank armor after? With all that weight, I think breasts would not really stand out.

Now stop talking. Good God.

Rico...

Fallout 3 Power Armour. No boobs on any of the female troops there..........

Frag vest in the military don't have boob shaped ballistic plates either.

Mat

Terran Medic is still the sexiest lady in power armour ever envisioned

(picture 28 here)

From an artistic standpoint, let's ignore the fact that putting breasts on armor actually hurts the purpose quite a bit. Sure, diverting an enemy blade into the center of your chest rather than away and off to the sides seems like bad design, but that's not what we're going for here.

The fact that she does not have breasts sculpted onto her armor or super thin armor that fits like a glove gives her a kind of slightly overweight look. Mind, a super-strong woman is not actually going to look like Supergirl, Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Zena, but that's the cultural expectation.

On realistic armor, we expect functionality. But in fantasy artwork, it is just accepted that women wear useless things to enhance their figure.

I think she looks great, by the way, and she's a little reminiscent of Kev White's Libby:





Of course, I would expect an actual Barbarian woman to look more like this anyway.

Mad because I proved a point.

This thread is momentarily closed. Will re-open in a bit so please don't PM me.

Except you Luna (in case I forget to re-open the mind wanders at my what were we talking about again?)


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thanks!

Normally I hate the concept of female space marines but this is the first female SM model I've seen that not only looked proportionately correct, but didn't have a planet halved onto her chest like you mentioned earlier.

I'm curious about the base. Did you freehand that design on?

Flinty's got it right, the Starcraft Terran Medic is the look I was more or less aiming for.

MLM, while I appreciate that your photoshopped version has its merits, I feel that it loses the whole "hulking space marine" aspect. In my book, the amour *must* look heavy, and slimming it in the manner you do takes away from that effect. There's a guy out there that sculpted a femmarine in the style you've described, but apart from the beaky helm, it doesn't look like a space marine anymore, more like a heavily armoured Eldar.

Odinsgrandson, your points are entirely correct with regards to cultural expectations vs reality. However, another problem with making the armour thinner and sculpting on boobs is the fact that would make the model look like a SoB by diluting the distinctive appearance of SM power armour. In a case of confused gender identities such as this, with no fluff basis, I feel that it is important to emphasize the fact that this is a FEMALE SPACE MARINE and not something which others may argue to bea SoB. The fact that it looks more realistic is just icing on the cake.

@Frazzled

Thank you for your comments and for stepping in.

@The Gopher

Head was pulled from Sasha Dubois, Timechaser, she's a model from Reaper's Chronoscape series.

Hands down one of the best Fem Marines I've seen.

I have to say I usually don't comment on the whole no female space marines BS, but this model really stands out as far as the painting and the just the look of her.

It isn't gratuitous, mysogynistic (sp?), or lewd. I like that fact that she looks like what women would look like in standard issue armor.

In the US military they do not have male or female armor. They have small, medium, or large. They don't sculpt breasts, nor do they hem in shoulder to hip ratios. They just make the armor one size fits all. I think ZandrisIV captures that look.

Another thing to consider is that the female breast is essentially 80% fat. Most women who work out lose their breast fat quickly and have to have implants to retain the shape of breasts. So if the Female Space Marine would have to undergo the same process then they more than likely lost their shapely chest. So there would be room in the chest cavity presented on the model.

Zandris IV, you've done an awesome job with this model. How much truescaling did you do with it? If you truescaled a male marine would it be taller?

I have to ask where did you get the head for this and where might a find a lot of different style female heads ??

ZandrisIV wrote:Flinty's got it right, the Starcraft Terran Medic is the look I was more or less aiming for.

MLM, while I appreciate that your photoshopped version has its merits, I feel that it loses the whole "hulking space marine" aspect. In my book, the amour *must* look heavy, and slimming it in the manner you do takes away from that effect. There's a guy out there that sculpted a femmarine in the style you've described, but apart from the beaky helm, it doesn't look like a space marine anymore, more like a heavily armoured Eldar.

Odinsgrandson, your points are entirely correct with regards to cultural expectations vs reality. However, another problem with making the armour thinner and sculpting on boobs is the fact that would make the model look like a SoB by diluting the distinctive appearance of SM power armour. In a case of confused gender identities such as this, with no fluff basis, I feel that it is important to emphasize the fact that this is a FEMALE SPACE MARINE and not something which others may argue to bea SoB. The fact that it looks more realistic is just icing on the cake.

@Frazzled

Thank you for your comments and for stepping in.

@The Gopher

Head was pulled from Sasha Dubois, Timechaser, she's a model from Reaper's Chronoscape series.

Look up to see what head he used.

Btw, I think the starcraft medic idea really shows in this model; in fact it looks cooler and much less like an ancient diving suit.

I am also glad your thread didn't fully smash into hi-jacked thread mode, in regards to the fem-marine debate... totally ridiculous...no offense, but yeah...