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While the Star Trek universe is the least favorite of the three for me, I do have to say there is little in either that would give the Q Continuam much of an issue.

alright then so it boils down to everything appart from 40k getting p4wned because of the literaly indescribable size and nature of most of its species and vovager and the whole treck universe would get owned by one emperor class battleship and Q vs the gods of chaos and the emperor there all omnipotent and its 5 vs one !!!! the starwars would be the hardest but a few templar crusades and imperial navy taskforces and all of the titans as one warhound is the size of an at-at it goes without saying the warhound will win so 40k beats all commers without releasing the nid's or th orks or anything else !!!!



and chuck norris is a no brainer he would be p4wned by even a normal SM battle brothe not mentoining the chapter masters

ph34r wrote:The winner is Vin Diesel.

There is no0 better champion! No one can kill Riddick...... no one

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Q pwns all, even chaos gods or god emperors. Q is omnipotent and without limits.

Trek wins.

Dammit, beat me to it. Oh, well, I'll still add this before I take my leave:



End of discussion.

EDIT: Hm, it seems we still have some doubters. To these unfortunates, let me just say that Q is all-powerful. You could theoretically kill a god in 40k, but a dying Q is unheard of. The only time a Q has ever died on Star Trek is when he was turned into a human and then committed suicide, and only Qs can take other Q's powers away. Plus, it wouldn't be "5 against 1". There are TONS of Qs! Not just one!

And, while the most powerful and famous, the Qs are by no means the only omnipotent beings in Star Trek.

I rest my case.

Surely Chuck Norris is about 70 now? And he doesn't have access to juvenat treatments.

It's not like waiting 10 years or so is beyond the patience of the Imperium - it would take that long to process the opening of hostilities...

IoM would win by zerg rush. ST and SW don't have the manpower to match it

Coming from a long time Star Wars fanboy I sadly have to admit 40k would win hands down. It's simply about logistics.

The Clone Wars is perhaps the largest galactic moblization for war the Star Wars galaxy has ever seen. Millions of clones and droids being ferried across the galaxy in fleets ranging from a handful of vessels to armadas of 100+ fighting for perhaps 50 some planets that existed on the fringe of the galaxy were the light of the Republic was at its feintist. Hyperspace travel allowed for this grandest of wars to be fought and completed in a matter of 5-ish years.

Star Wars has 40k beat hands down in effiency and response time of their forces and could easily win any battle or short campagin due to their mobility and ability to bring their forces to bare quickly.

BUT

When we compare the sheer size of a potential universe vs universe there is no contest as the total size, scope, and brutal nature of the 40k universe would grind the peace loving, good guys always win Star Wars universe to a pulp. Despite of the pinpoint lighting strikes potential Star Wars forces could muster, they would be worn down by sheer endlessness of forces in the 40k universe.

In 40k THERE IS ONLY WAR from one edge of the galaxy to the next. Star Wars' major conflicts are always politcally motivated and follow the rise and fall of major empires which after spending trillions of credits and hundreds of years of peaceful rebuilding tend to get knocked down quite fast. 40k does that damn day and still gets home on time to tuck the kids into bed. Any of the major races in 40k (Imperium, Orks, Nids, Chaos) have more numbers and resources at their disposal then the entire Star Wars universe put together.

Hell Star Wars even had their own "nid" invasion in the form the Yuuzhan Vong Wars in the Extended Universe series of novels. The Vong were a race of bio-organic extra-galactic invaders that nearly destroyed the combined forces of the Empire and the New Republic and the New Jedi Order in less than a decade. The Vong only brought like 12 moon sized ships and thousands of support craft. Nothing compared to even one tendril of the Hive Fleet.

Anyhoo, I'm done rambling...40k wins because of numbers. Only to be defeated by Star Trek because of TRIBBLES!

Ya had to bring the Tribbles into this... didn't you!

Threadromancy...

kowbasher wrote:Coming from a long time Star Wars fanboy I sadly have to admit 40k would win hands down. It's simply about logistics.

The Clone Wars is perhaps the largest galactic moblization for war the Star Wars galaxy has ever seen. Millions of clones and droids being ferried across the galaxy in fleets ranging from a handful of vessels to armadas of 100+ fighting for perhaps 50 some planets that existed on the fringe of the galaxy were the light of the Republic was at its feintist. Hyperspace travel allowed for this grandest of wars to be fought and completed in a matter of 5-ish years.

Star Wars has 40k beat hands down in effiency and response time of their forces and could easily win any battle or short campagin due to their mobility and ability to bring their forces to bare quickly.

BUT

When we compare the sheer size of a potential universe vs universe there is no contest as the total size, scope, and brutal nature of the 40k universe would grind the peace loving, good guys always win Star Wars universe to a pulp. Despite of the pinpoint lighting strikes potential Star Wars forces could muster, they would be worn down by sheer endlessness of forces in the 40k universe.

In 40k THERE IS ONLY WAR from one edge of the galaxy to the next. Star Wars' major conflicts are always politcally motivated and follow the rise and fall of major empires which after spending trillions of credits and hundreds of years of peaceful rebuilding tend to get knocked down quite fast. 40k does that damn day and still gets home on time to tuck the kids into bed. Any of the major races in 40k (Imperium, Orks, Nids, Chaos) have more numbers and resources at their disposal then the entire Star Wars universe put together.

Hell Star Wars even had their own "nid" invasion in the form the Yuuzhan Vong Wars in the Extended Universe series of novels. The Vong were a race of bio-organic extra-galactic invaders that nearly destroyed the combined forces of the Empire and the New Republic and the New Jedi Order in less than a decade. The Vong only brought like 12 moon sized ships and thousands of support craft. Nothing compared to even one tendril of the Hive Fleet.

Anyhoo, I'm done rambling...40k wins because of numbers. Only to be defeated by Star Trek because of TRIBBLES!

What about in Star Trek, they also have the entire galaxy at their whim and there are so many incredibly powerful alien beings there that are beyond the power of the Chaos God's.

All the God's can do is summon Daemons into the "real world".

Q could make all those Daemons go away, along with quiet a few others.

The Borge would wipe out an entire Space Marine chapter in under a week.

Yeah, Borge=win.

...but Klingons equal WIN!!

Death to tribbles, the most hated enemy of the Klingon Empire! (Really.)

NO Borge = suck they would be stumped by the hive mind as they have thier own hive mind and the interuption would surely do something wierd ????
also the numbers of the nids would overpower them and they aren't to good at close combat due to over reliance on thier phazers also a marine chapter would decimate them on the surface of a planet so would orks and the sheer numbers of the imperial navy would own anything from the star treck universe and with the eye of terror and the maelstrom the CSM can lauch hit and run strikes on the borge (as they are the only ones that stand a chance) also the chaos gods could corrupt some of the Q's and as they can kill other Q's they would and the tau can start making weapons to combat the Q's thus 40k wins



but there's more if it would take voyager 200+ years to cross the galaxy the scale would be a factor against star treck because the imperium can cross the galaxy in a couple of years

Ewoks lead by Chewy can handle anything!

Assuming that no gods truly get involved in combat, 40K for the reasons stated above.

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:also the chaos gods could corrupt some of the Q's and as they can kill other Q's they would and the tau can start making weapons to combat the Q's thus 40k wins

What part of "omnipotent" do you not understand?

The om nom bit



but seriously why would anyone whant starwars to win ???

40k wins because of Grimdarkness.

also because of Star Ship scale


http://www.merzo.net/

look under -10k size range.

a Cobra class Destroyer is the same size as a Star Destroyer. Star Destroyers are the main line vessel of the Empire and were the most powerful line vessel ever deployed in the Star Wars universe aside from Super Star Destroyers and other vessels that could only ever be classified as Experimental ship classes.

an Imperial Retribution Class Battleship is only 1/3 the size of a SSD, but they are much more common then SSDs ever were.


Star Trek vessels can be found under the next smallest size range of -2k

the largest Federation ship Sovereign comes in at 685 meters long.

a Cobra destroyer is 1500 meters long.

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:The om nom bit



but seriously why would anyone whant starwars to win ???

Because of all the options given, Star Wars has the best movies, video games, writing, acting and etcetera?

tomjoad wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:The om nom bit



but seriously why would anyone whant starwars to win ???

Because of all the options given, Star Wars has the best movies, video games, writing, acting and etcetera?

I know you are only referring to the original three movies in their original 'non lucas touched' hands, right? Once you start to include the time period including the last 3rd of Return of the Jedi, because of the Ewoks, to anything Lucas has ever destroyed, your foundation of 'best anything' falls apart.

On topic... Star Trek wins if you include the Q Continuum. 40k wins if you don't include the Q Continuum.

Might i point out that the 40k universe is older than the trek verse and it is likely that their are higher beings such as the Q Continum in existence in the 40k universe.

And you cant bring the Qs into the picture becuase they probably wouldn't want to get involved if a war between two universes or galaxy's started. They would ignore it or lol about it.

everyones forgetting, the best weapon agaisnt the omnipotent... blackstone fortresses? woo death to the immortal! if your on about numbers, the federations biggest ship is the enterprise and any other of its class, which bearly has 1500 people, including woman and children, the basic 40k destroyer is far larger, and has around about 4000 people just manning it, this isnt including the troop transports for imperial gaurd, where they carry 12 drop box's able to ship 4-6 full regiments (read 15 hours to understand this refrence) down to a planet at a time, lasguns? pretty much the same weapon as blasters, maybe a lil slower, and common, the storm troopers armour cant even stop a blast, gaurdmen know this so they just give them paper armour instead of researching better materials to replace it, and chuck norris? put him on the wrong side of a few bio titans and 20 winged hive tyrants and im sure he'd get a beating, or at least tied up until a exterinous comes and frys his ass like a large slab of daemonic steak!

Omnipotent>Blackstone Fortress. Really, you do not defeat omnipotent beings.

Without the Q's IoM wins, with them... well, what can you do!

anyway, no matter what you say, no matter how powerful a being is, it can still get eaten by nids, and considering most races in 40k are carnivors and no one truely knows how big the nid threat is, the're dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed! even if you can wipe them all out, the'll leave the universe stripped down to the atoms.

plus theres the necrons, the god killers.

Orkeosaurus wrote:The 40k universe beats the Star Wars universe, but the Galactic Empire beats The Imperium of Man.

Both the Imperium and the Empire beat the Federation, although in a universe battle it would come down what the pretty much omnipotent beings from Star Trek would do against the pretty much omnipotent beings from 40k.

Chuck Norris is a skilled martial artist, but is neither a galaxy spanning empire nor a universe filled with advanced aliens, and is at a disadvantage because of this.

Not sure how the galactic empire beats the Imperium? One space marine could walk through 100 storm troopers. HELL! one EWOK can walk through 100 storm troopers.

Not to mention theres like uh...10 trilllion Imperial Guardsmen and like...1million storm troopers. And space battles would be pretty one sided in the imperiums favour too.

Jaon wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:The 40k universe beats the Star Wars universe, but the Galactic Empire beats The Imperium of Man.

Both the Imperium and the Empire beat the Federation, although in a universe battle it would come down what the pretty much omnipotent beings from Star Trek would do against the pretty much omnipotent beings from 40k.

Chuck Norris is a skilled martial artist, but is neither a galaxy spanning empire nor a universe filled with advanced aliens, and is at a disadvantage because of this.

Not sure how the galactic empire beats the Imperium? One space marine could walk through 100 storm troopers. HELL! one EWOK can walk through 100 storm troopers.

Not to mention theres like uh...10 trilllion Imperial Guardsmen and like...1million storm troopers. And space battles would be pretty one sided in the imperiums favour too.

defintly, they both use sheilds, but the imperium have a greater ammount of massed weaponery, even if it isnt superiour, but saying that, 1 lance blast can take out quite a few troops, ive yet to see the empire do that!

The C'tan would eat a Q for breakfast. They feed on stars for breakfast.

All powerful doesnt mean invincible by the way guys?


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Clumpski wrote:anyway, no matter what you say, no matter how powerful a being is, it can still get eaten by nids, and considering most races in 40k are carnivors and no one truely knows how big the nid threat is, the're dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed! even if you can wipe them all out, the'll leave the universe stripped down to the atoms.

plus theres the necrons, the god killers.

In the nid codex it has a very small, hard to notice diagram of now big the nid invasion is compared to the Milky Way.


I would estimate the Hive Fleet is at least 5 times as big as the galaxy.

My mistake. I was thinking of Hive Fleet Leviathan.

Aka ONE HIVE FLEET.

Cheaters! only pansy's take the galactic shortcut. But it makes me wonder why abaddon doesn't just go under or over the cadian gate and attack terra.

Chuck Norris gets shot and dies and his soul gets tortured for a few hours by a daemon before it realizes that he's just an arrogant prick and eats him, then everyone else goes back home after realizing that they couldn't fight anyway because each one followed different laws of physics.