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**Ultrasmurf_no_REALY**

but still IoM would rape them

**AndrewC**

Grey Templar wrote:the Replicator, IIRC, just turns matter from one form/element into another.

naturally, certain Elements take more basic matter then others. it takes more mass to make Uranium then Helium etc.

Unfortunately it can't replicate really useful things, especially for the purpose of this thread, like photon torps. Antimatter can't be replicated.

Ultrasmurf_no_Really wrote:ok so what is species 8472 ???? and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger and would take a massive amount of beating before they would be damaged

You dont know who/what they are but can make that statement?

Cheers

Andrew

**Grey Templar**

Ok, so Species bla bla can't be defeated. they can't win either. stalemate.

**Ultrasmurf_no_REALY**

FINE ill google it

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SM would still win

**Simo429**

The best of the Empires storm troopers lost to a bunch of muppets with sticks and bows and arrows, somehow I don't think the Emperors finest would make the same mistakes.

Yub Yub

**Gibbsey**

Simo429 wrote:The best of the Empires storm troopers lost to a bunch of muppets with sticks and bows and arrows, somehow I don't think the Emperors finest would make the same mistakes.

Yub Yub

Yep, we all have to remember the Empire was taken down by EWOKS

**Simo429**

Whenever I think about Jedi I am always reminded of the beginning of Chasing Amy

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As for the federation, there star ships are tiny compared to the Imperiums or even the Star Destroyers of the star wars universe.

Just drive into the thing

**Asherian Command**

Not their biggest ships in starwars, those things are 50 kilometres. of course they only ever had one or two of them >.> and the imperium's largest ship is the Battle Barges as they vary in sizes.

**Simo429**

Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

**Grey Templar**

Yes, SSDS are approx 3 times the size of the largest IoM ship, but there weren't many of them.

even at the intended deployment numbers(1 per Imperial fleet) they couldn't have done much.

the IoM would only ever have met 1 at a time and that would be a no contest to 4-5 Emperor/Retribution... class ships.

the Escorts and bomber squadrons would tend to any Star Destroyers and smaller ships. the Capital ships would concentrate on the SSD.

**Asherian Command**

Simo429 wrote:Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

Have you not read this thread? The Imperium does have moon sized ships. The Ports of the Imperium in Space are space combat worthy >.< They mean't for docking with Emperor Class Ships and such and have Heavy weapons that basically break through ships with no problem.
The Dahaks blah. Face an entire fleet of imperial ships send one ship in with its warp drive set to self destruct and bye bye enemies.

to quote rouge trader http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=1875

Torpedoes

While the “go-to” weapons of voidships in the 41st Millennium are macro-batteries and lances, warships often carry more potent firepower. For example, Imperial Navy warships often rely on salvos of torpedoes to destroy their opponents. Roughly sixty metres long and equipped with a powerful plasma warhead able to punch through the toughest warship armour, torpedoes are guided by a crude and murderous machine-spirit. Ships often launch them in salvos of up to half a dozen, and once launched they use a variety of sensors to locate potential targets and alter course for interception (and destruction). Though they are technically guided, their limited augur range means in stellar terms, they are line of effect weapons. However, even the threat of a torpedo salvo is enough to scatter opposing squadrons and throw battle lines into disarray.

Attack Craft

Like torpedoes, attack craft are often limited to the Imperial Navy, due to the considerable costs of maintaining large squadrons of starfighters and bombers. However, for those Rogue Traders able to afford it, attack craft prove a potent weapon in one’s arsenal.

The principle advantage of attack craft is their versatility. Their range means they can strike targets well out of reach of a macrobattery or lance, and their independence means they can pursue targets on their own volition. Once launched, their carrier can pursue other targets, while the attack craft hunt down their chosen foe.

However, attack craft do have one significant trade-off. The space required for hanger bays is often immense—starships find they often have to sacrifice the options for other weapons in order to carry them. Often, this makes a carrier without its attack craft a tempting target.

There are three main types of attack craft: fighters, bombers, and assault boats. Fighters, such as the Imperial Fury, are relatively small space-going craft, with a small crew and anti-attack craft weaponry. Multiple banks of lascannons and triple-linked plasma cannons can do little to harm a voidship, but can tear through other attack craft. Thus, a starfighter’s job is two-fold, intercepting enemy attack craft and escorting friendly bombers and assault boats to their target.

Bombers such as the Imperial Starhawk are slow and lumbering, with a large payload of anti-ship krak bombs and plasma missiles. Their weapons are too cumbersome to be used against starfighters, but can do immense damage to larger warships. Thus, bombers are almost exclusively deployed against voidships.

Assault boats such as the Imperial Shark also attack voidships, but their payload is raiders and soldiers, rather than bombs. These attack craft affix themselves to the hull of an enemy voidship and disgorge hordes of crack troops into its vitals. They do as much damage as possible with bombs and sabotage before fleeing back to the assault boats and escaping.

Nova Cannons

One of the most fearsome weapons in a voidship’s arsenal is the dreaded Nova Cannon. Unwieldy, slow to fire, and expensive to utilize, they are nevertheless sought avidly by those Rogue Traders wealthy enough to afford one. The reason is simply because even a near miss by a Nova Cannon can cripple a ship. A direct hit can crack a voidship’s hull in half.

Using gravimetric impellers, Nova Cannons fire potent warheads at near-relativistic speeds over immense distances. The target has almost no time to react—the warhead can detonate only seconds after they detect the firing. However, the detonation of the warhead must be carefully timed. Too soon or too late, and the warhead explodes harmlessly far from the target.

Even more so than torpedoes, Nova Cannon ammunition is hideously expensive, and requires purchase. In addition, the weapons fire slowly and have a fixed minimum range (too close and they could easily destroy their own ship). However, when one has enough firepower to scour the face of a planet, one tends to see such concerns as trivial.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

**Asherian Command**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

What about the nova cannons?

**Gibbsey**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

**AlmightyWalrus**

Gibbsey wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

If we're gonna be like that: but if the Borg assimilated some Necron tech...

**Razgryz**

The borg meet the Adeptus Mechanicus, and are accepted into the Machine Cult. They acnowledge the Omnissiah as the pure blend of Machine and Organic, and are hidden away on Mars for the next 10k years.

Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)

Q meets the Chaos gods.....and has a party, finally being entertained for the first time in millenia. The Emperor chaperones.

The Starfleet ships are defeated not by weapons.....but by ramming, a single dominion fighter was able to destroy a Galaxy-class starship by ramming, so what do you think a Emperor-class Battleship would do to anything in Star Trek? Or Star Wars for that matter? Death Stars are simply boarded (like thats so very hard to do) and taken over from the inside.

The GE meets the Tyranids......and gets eaten. Even the IoM can't do more than slowly retreat in the face of them.

Orks fare about the same against the GE as they do against the IoM. Star Trek fails against the WAAAAAGH!!

The Tau meet Star Trek, and convert them to the Greater Good.

Dark Eldar show up and make good friends with the Klingons and Romulans, then proceed to go make fun of the Sith.

Eldar dance around and look pretty, and get ignored by everyone cause they aren't a real power anymore.

**BlackMath**

This is so easy. Original Star Trek wins in a fight because of Kirk. He is unstoppable.
Observe:

If the thing he is fighting is male, he gives it the Kirk Chop, Kirk Axe-handle, or the Kirk Drop-kick for the win.

If its any kind of machine, he talks it to death by catching it in a logic trap and making it short circuit (including Data). Win.

If it's female, he seduces her. Win.

Kirk is the most powerful fictional character of all time.

**AndrewC**

Razgryz wrote:Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)

No, but two thoughts on that, one, it would be like detonating a bomb when your standing next to it, two considering the density and complexity of their DNA there is a strong chance they wouldn't even notice.

Thats not to say your suggestion wouldn't work, its just not the surefire suggestion you think it is.

Gibbsey wrote:but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

Then one species is in for a very big shock, I just can't decide which one.....

Cheers

Andrew

**Razgryz**

AndrewC wrote:
Razgryz wrote:Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)

No, but two thoughts on that, one, it would be like detonating a bomb when your standing next to it, two considering the density and complexity of their DNA there is a strong chance they wouldn't even notice.

Thats not to say your suggestion wouldn't work, its just not the surefire suggestion you think it is.

Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.

**Grey Templar**

Virus's wouldn't be impeded by DNA density.

in fact, it might accelerate the spread.

**IvanTih**

Chaos and Necrons stomp SW,ST(actually every faction could school mortal ST races) hard,but Chuck Norris wins in the end.
We're debating this on the another forum by the way.Warhammer 40k is the second in the firepower,Chuck is on the first place.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=180768

Only hard evidence for 40k is 560 gigaton torpedo(it took 300 of those to destroy a space hulk,In Caves of Ice they would sterilise an entire planet(hint:it requires at minimum 2-20 teratons per salvo),in Nemesis Vengeful Spirit has energy cannons capable of boiling oceans and torpedoes which can "atomise" an entire continents in a single shot,ST does measly megatons).
SW firepower is really all over the place(if we use ICS high end(which have been disproved a long time ago) they can go toe to toe with 40k,without it they lose badly to my knowledge).

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Da Boss wrote:One universe I think could kick the ever living snot out of any of those is Ian M. Banks Culture. They'd just win.

QFT.

**Gibbsey**

Razgryz wrote:Eldar dance around and look pretty, and get ignored by everyone cause they aren't a real power anymore.

BlackMath wrote:This is so easy. Original Star Trek wins in a fight because of Kirk. He is unstoppable.
Observe:

If the thing he is fighting is male, he gives it the Kirk Chop, Kirk Axe-handle, or the Kirk Drop-kick for the win.

If its any kind of machine, he talks it to death by catching it in a logic trap and making it short circuit (including Data). Win.

If it's female, he seduces her. Win.

Kirk is the most powerful fictional character of all time.

William Shatner wrote:Bridge on the Captain

http://www.trekweb.com/articles/2008/05/11/Bridge-on-the-Captain-William-Shatner-Tells-His-Own-Story-Up-Till-Now.shtml

**ChocolateGork**

Simo429 wrote:Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

Those were awesome books. But the problem with them is they had no one to man all of their ships.

**IvanTih**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Gibbsey wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger

Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....

If we're gonna be like that: but if the Borg assimilated some Necron tech...

If they manage to even touch the Necrons before getting destroyed.
If 40k and ST ships met in combat,40k would come as victorious.Why?Because ST ship's weaponry would only be a small annoyance.Also when do we see warp strafing in ST?

**Ultrasmurf_no_REALY**

yeah also the size of the IoM they could zerg rush everything against them even 8472 tyranids and bio bombs thats them done IG rush startreck done MEQ take starwars done and everything else is taken from behind by orks dark eldar and choas

**AndrewC**

Razgryz wrote:Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.

As I tried to point out earlier, 8472 belongs to a different dimension, Virus Bombs were developed in this dimension, they may not even work. The virus attacks the host organism causing a breakdown in 'life support', IIRC 8472 activily attacked such pathogens with its' own DNA, going to the extremes that Harry Kim was almost killed when he was infected with some of their DNA, {scratched I think}

Your statement may be right, but it could also be completely wrong.

Cheers

Andrew

**Epicwargamer**

Um... the Emperor of Man's name is actually Carlos Ray Norris. He went by 'Chuck' in his college years. This question is faulty.

**danp164**

40K would win easily, Games Workshop would simply nerf everyone else to make the Space Marines look more awesome.

**IvanTih**

AndrewC wrote:
Razgryz wrote:Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.

As I tried to point out earlier, 8472 belongs to a different dimension, Virus Bombs were developed in this dimension, they may not even work. The virus attacks the host organism causing a breakdown in 'life support', IIRC 8472 activily attacked such pathogens with its' own DNA, going to the extremes that Harry Kim was almost killed when he was infected with some of their DNA, {scratched I think}

Your statement may be right, but it could also be completely wrong.

Cheers

Andrew

They can always be ass rap** by the shotcannons or lasguns.

**Grey Templar**

danp164 wrote:40K would win easily, Games Workshop would simply nerf everyone else to make the Space Marines look more awesome.

I think this statement wins the Thread