Switch Theme:

40k vs Star Wars vs Star Trek vs Chuck Norris  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in gb
Death-Dealing Ultramarine Devastator





Hastings

but still IoM would rape them

3500 ish

 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





Wishing I was back at the South Atlantic, closer to ice than the sun

Grey Templar wrote:the Replicator, IIRC, just turns matter from one form/element into another.

naturally, certain Elements take more basic matter then others. it takes more mass to make Uranium then Helium etc.


Unfortunately it can't replicate really useful things, especially for the purpose of this thread, like photon torps. Antimatter can't be replicated.

Ultrasmurf_no_Really wrote:ok so what is species 8472 ???? and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger and would take a massive amount of beating before they would be damaged


You dont know who/what they are but can make that statement?

Cheers

Andrew

I don't care what the flag says, I'm SCOTTISH!!!

Best definition of the word Battleship?
Mr Nobody wrote:
Does a canoe with a machine gun count?
 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Ok, so Species bla bla can't be defeated. they can't win either. stalemate.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in gb
Death-Dealing Ultramarine Devastator





Hastings

FINE ill google it


Automatically Appended Next Post:
SM would still win

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/01/14 17:34:24


3500 ish

 
   
Made in gb
Speedy Swiftclaw Biker




Ripley, Derbyshire

The best of the Empires storm troopers lost to a bunch of muppets with sticks and bows and arrows, somehow I don't think the Emperors finest would make the same mistakes.


Yub Yub

 
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran




Simo429 wrote:The best of the Empires storm troopers lost to a bunch of muppets with sticks and bows and arrows, somehow I don't think the Emperors finest would make the same mistakes.


Yub Yub


Yep, we all have to remember the Empire was taken down by EWOKS
   
Made in gb
Speedy Swiftclaw Biker




Ripley, Derbyshire

Whenever I think about Jedi I am always reminded of the beginning of Chasing Amy


Automatically Appended Next Post:
As for the federation, there star ships are tiny compared to the Imperiums or even the Star Destroyers of the star wars universe.

Just drive into the thing

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/01/14 18:22:40


 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





Chicago, Illinois

Not their biggest ships in starwars, those things are 50 kilometres. of course they only ever had one or two of them >.> and the imperium's largest ship is the Battle Barges as they vary in sizes.

From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. 
   
Made in gb
Speedy Swiftclaw Biker




Ripley, Derbyshire

Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Yes, SSDS are approx 3 times the size of the largest IoM ship, but there weren't many of them.


even at the intended deployment numbers(1 per Imperial fleet) they couldn't have done much.

the IoM would only ever have met 1 at a time and that would be a no contest to 4-5 Emperor/Retribution... class ships.


the Escorts and bomber squadrons would tend to any Star Destroyers and smaller ships. the Capital ships would concentrate on the SSD.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





Chicago, Illinois

Simo429 wrote:Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out

Have you not read this thread? The Imperium does have moon sized ships. The Ports of the Imperium in Space are space combat worthy >.< They mean't for docking with Emperor Class Ships and such and have Heavy weapons that basically break through ships with no problem.
The Dahaks blah. Face an entire fleet of imperial ships send one ship in with its warp drive set to self destruct and bye bye enemies.

to quote rouge trader http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=1875

Torpedoes

While the “go-to” weapons of voidships in the 41st Millennium are macro-batteries and lances, warships often carry more potent firepower. For example, Imperial Navy warships often rely on salvos of torpedoes to destroy their opponents. Roughly sixty metres long and equipped with a powerful plasma warhead able to punch through the toughest warship armour, torpedoes are guided by a crude and murderous machine-spirit. Ships often launch them in salvos of up to half a dozen, and once launched they use a variety of sensors to locate potential targets and alter course for interception (and destruction). Though they are technically guided, their limited augur range means in stellar terms, they are line of effect weapons. However, even the threat of a torpedo salvo is enough to scatter opposing squadrons and throw battle lines into disarray.

Attack Craft

Like torpedoes, attack craft are often limited to the Imperial Navy, due to the considerable costs of maintaining large squadrons of starfighters and bombers. However, for those Rogue Traders able to afford it, attack craft prove a potent weapon in one’s arsenal.

The principle advantage of attack craft is their versatility. Their range means they can strike targets well out of reach of a macrobattery or lance, and their independence means they can pursue targets on their own volition. Once launched, their carrier can pursue other targets, while the attack craft hunt down their chosen foe.

However, attack craft do have one significant trade-off. The space required for hanger bays is often immense—starships find they often have to sacrifice the options for other weapons in order to carry them. Often, this makes a carrier without its attack craft a tempting target.

There are three main types of attack craft: fighters, bombers, and assault boats. Fighters, such as the Imperial Fury, are relatively small space-going craft, with a small crew and anti-attack craft weaponry. Multiple banks of lascannons and triple-linked plasma cannons can do little to harm a voidship, but can tear through other attack craft. Thus, a starfighter’s job is two-fold, intercepting enemy attack craft and escorting friendly bombers and assault boats to their target.

Bombers such as the Imperial Starhawk are slow and lumbering, with a large payload of anti-ship krak bombs and plasma missiles. Their weapons are too cumbersome to be used against starfighters, but can do immense damage to larger warships. Thus, bombers are almost exclusively deployed against voidships.

Assault boats such as the Imperial Shark also attack voidships, but their payload is raiders and soldiers, rather than bombs. These attack craft affix themselves to the hull of an enemy voidship and disgorge hordes of crack troops into its vitals. They do as much damage as possible with bombs and sabotage before fleeing back to the assault boats and escaping.


Nova Cannons

One of the most fearsome weapons in a voidship’s arsenal is the dreaded Nova Cannon. Unwieldy, slow to fire, and expensive to utilize, they are nevertheless sought avidly by those Rogue Traders wealthy enough to afford one. The reason is simply because even a near miss by a Nova Cannon can cripple a ship. A direct hit can crack a voidship’s hull in half.

Using gravimetric impellers, Nova Cannons fire potent warheads at near-relativistic speeds over immense distances. The target has almost no time to react—the warhead can detonate only seconds after they detect the firing. However, the detonation of the warhead must be carefully timed. Too soon or too late, and the warhead explodes harmlessly far from the target.

Even more so than torpedoes, Nova Cannon ammunition is hideously expensive, and requires purchase. In addition, the weapons fire slowly and have a fixed minimum range (too close and they could easily destroy their own ship). However, when one has enough firepower to scour the face of a planet, one tends to see such concerns as trivial.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/01/14 18:38:34


From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. 
   
Made in se
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan






Sweden

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger


Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





Chicago, Illinois

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger


Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.

What about the nova cannons?

From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. 
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran




AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger


Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.


but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....
   
Made in se
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan






Sweden

Gibbsey wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger


Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.


but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....


If we're gonna be like that: but if the Borg assimilated some Necron tech...

For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. 
   
Made in us
Fickle Fury of Chaos





Davie, Florida

The borg meet the Adeptus Mechanicus, and are accepted into the Machine Cult. They acnowledge the Omnissiah as the pure blend of Machine and Organic, and are hidden away on Mars for the next 10k years.

Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)

Q meets the Chaos gods.....and has a party, finally being entertained for the first time in millenia. The Emperor chaperones.

The Starfleet ships are defeated not by weapons.....but by ramming, a single dominion fighter was able to destroy a Galaxy-class starship by ramming, so what do you think a Emperor-class Battleship would do to anything in Star Trek? Or Star Wars for that matter? Death Stars are simply boarded (like thats so very hard to do) and taken over from the inside.

The GE meets the Tyranids......and gets eaten. Even the IoM can't do more than slowly retreat in the face of them.

Orks fare about the same against the GE as they do against the IoM. Star Trek fails against the WAAAAAGH!!

The Tau meet Star Trek, and convert them to the Greater Good.

Dark Eldar show up and make good friends with the Klingons and Romulans, then proceed to go make fun of the Sith.

Eldar dance around and look pretty, and get ignored by everyone cause they aren't a real power anymore.

Assembled: Painted:
5000 3000

Brother SRM wrote:
I don't understand why she needs to be naked with a rocket launcher.

That's a sentence I never thought I'd type.  
   
Made in us
Freaky Flayed One





This is so easy. Original Star Trek wins in a fight because of Kirk. He is unstoppable.
Observe:

If the thing he is fighting is male, he gives it the Kirk Chop, Kirk Axe-handle, or the Kirk Drop-kick for the win.

If its any kind of machine, he talks it to death by catching it in a logic trap and making it short circuit (including Data). Win.

If it's female, he seduces her. Win.

Kirk is the most powerful fictional character of all time.
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





Wishing I was back at the South Atlantic, closer to ice than the sun

Razgryz wrote:Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)


No, but two thoughts on that, one, it would be like detonating a bomb when your standing next to it, two considering the density and complexity of their DNA there is a strong chance they wouldn't even notice.

Thats not to say your suggestion wouldn't work, its just not the surefire suggestion you think it is.

Gibbsey wrote:but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....


Then one species is in for a very big shock, I just can't decide which one.....

Cheers

Andrew



I don't care what the flag says, I'm SCOTTISH!!!

Best definition of the word Battleship?
Mr Nobody wrote:
Does a canoe with a machine gun count?
 
   
Made in us
Fickle Fury of Chaos





Davie, Florida

AndrewC wrote:
Razgryz wrote:Species 8472 meets the IoM....who fire virus bombs into their ORGANIC FLUID universe, which promptly disintegrates into slush. (forgot that their entire universe is organic, didnt you?)


No, but two thoughts on that, one, it would be like detonating a bomb when your standing next to it, two considering the density and complexity of their DNA there is a strong chance they wouldn't even notice.

Thats not to say your suggestion wouldn't work, its just not the surefire suggestion you think it is.


Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.

Assembled: Painted:
5000 3000

Brother SRM wrote:
I don't understand why she needs to be naked with a rocket launcher.

That's a sentence I never thought I'd type.  
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

Virus's wouldn't be impeded by DNA density.

in fact, it might accelerate the spread.

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
Made in ba
Boom! Leman Russ Commander







Chaos and Necrons stomp SW,ST(actually every faction could school mortal ST races) hard,but Chuck Norris wins in the end.
We're debating this on the another forum by the way.Warhammer 40k is the second in the firepower,Chuck is on the first place. http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=180768

Only hard evidence for 40k is 560 gigaton torpedo(it took 300 of those to destroy a space hulk,In Caves of Ice they would sterilise an entire planet(hint:it requires at minimum 2-20 teratons per salvo),in Nemesis Vengeful Spirit has energy cannons capable of boiling oceans and torpedoes which can "atomise" an entire continents in a single shot,ST does measly megatons).
SW firepower is really all over the place(if we use ICS high end(which have been disproved a long time ago) they can go toe to toe with 40k,without it they lose badly to my knowledge).


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Da Boss wrote:One universe I think could kick the ever living snot out of any of those is Ian M. Banks Culture. They'd just win.

QFT.

This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2011/01/15 00:10:49


Hail to the creeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!baby Ask not the moot a question,for he will give you three answers,all of which will result in a public humiliation.

My DIY chapter Fire Wraiths http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/264338.page
3 things that Ivan likes:
Food Sex Machines
Tactical Genius of DakkaDakka
Colonel Miles Quaritch is my hero
 
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran




Razgryz wrote:Eldar dance around and look pretty, and get ignored by everyone cause they aren't a real power anymore.




BlackMath wrote:This is so easy. Original Star Trek wins in a fight because of Kirk. He is unstoppable.
Observe:

If the thing he is fighting is male, he gives it the Kirk Chop, Kirk Axe-handle, or the Kirk Drop-kick for the win.

If its any kind of machine, he talks it to death by catching it in a logic trap and making it short circuit (including Data). Win.

If it's female, he seduces her. Win.

Kirk is the most powerful fictional character of all time.


William Shatner wrote:Bridge on the Captain


http://www.trekweb.com/articles/2008/05/11/Bridge-on-the-Captain-William-Shatner-Tells-His-Own-Story-Up-Till-Now.shtml
   
Made in au
Esteemed Veteran Space Marine





Australia

Simo429 wrote:Superstar destroyers were about 10km in length unless you are talking about the death star

Has anyone ever read the Dahak books by David Webber. Multiple ships the size of our moon, I reckon they would take the imperium out


Those were awesome books. But the problem with them is they had no one to man all of their ships.

DT:90S++++G++M--B++I+pw40k08#+D++A+++/mWD-R++T(T)DM+


I am Blue/White
Take The Magic Dual Colour Test - Beta today!
<small>Created with Rum and Monkey's Personality Test Generator.</small>

I'm both orderly and rational. I value control, information, and order. I love structure and hierarchy, and will actively use whatever power or knowledge I have to maintain it. At best, I am lawful and insightful; at worst, I am bureaucratic and tyrannical.
" border="0" /> 
   
Made in ba
Boom! Leman Russ Commander







AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Gibbsey wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:and yes one on one th iom would win because they have HUGE ships if we take the biggest ship in all of the universes then the iom still wins because thier ships are bigger


Borg Cube= At least 3x3x3km=27 cubic kilometers.

Retribution Class Battleship=7,5km long. Anyone got measurements of width and/or height? To me it seems as if the Borg acually have deceptively large ships.

And some of the people in this thread really needs to read what others post. Seriously, the Imperium is NOT going to beat 8472, but 8472 isn't going to beat the Imperium either.


but if the tyranids manage to steal some 8472 genes....


If we're gonna be like that: but if the Borg assimilated some Necron tech...

If they manage to even touch the Necrons before getting destroyed.
If 40k and ST ships met in combat,40k would come as victorious.Why?Because ST ship's weaponry would only be a small annoyance.Also when do we see warp strafing in ST?

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/01/15 01:11:53


Hail to the creeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!baby Ask not the moot a question,for he will give you three answers,all of which will result in a public humiliation.

My DIY chapter Fire Wraiths http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/264338.page
3 things that Ivan likes:
Food Sex Machines
Tactical Genius of DakkaDakka
Colonel Miles Quaritch is my hero
 
   
Made in gb
Death-Dealing Ultramarine Devastator





Hastings

yeah also the size of the IoM they could zerg rush everything against them even 8472 tyranids and bio bombs thats them done IG rush startreck done MEQ take starwars done and everything else is taken from behind by orks dark eldar and choas

3500 ish

 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut





Wishing I was back at the South Atlantic, closer to ice than the sun

Razgryz wrote:Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.


As I tried to point out earlier, 8472 belongs to a different dimension, Virus Bombs were developed in this dimension, they may not even work. The virus attacks the host organism causing a breakdown in 'life support', IIRC 8472 activily attacked such pathogens with its' own DNA, going to the extremes that Harry Kim was almost killed when he was infected with some of their DNA, {scratched I think}

Your statement may be right, but it could also be completely wrong.

Cheers

Andrew

I don't care what the flag says, I'm SCOTTISH!!!

Best definition of the word Battleship?
Mr Nobody wrote:
Does a canoe with a machine gun count?
 
   
Made in jp
Regular Dakkanaut





Um... the Emperor of Man's name is actually Carlos Ray Norris. He went by 'Chuck' in his college years. This question is faulty.

Black Templar  
   
Made in gb
Irked Necron Immortal




Swansea

40K would win easily, Games Workshop would simply nerf everyone else to make the Space Marines look more awesome.

Check out my Facebook store for more custom made metal Gaming Accessories

War Forged Studios 
   
Made in ba
Boom! Leman Russ Commander







AndrewC wrote:
Razgryz wrote:Wouldnt matter how dense their DNA is, the Imperial virus bombs consume all organic matter and break it down. That species universe, ships, everything would be eaten by it.


As I tried to point out earlier, 8472 belongs to a different dimension, Virus Bombs were developed in this dimension, they may not even work. The virus attacks the host organism causing a breakdown in 'life support', IIRC 8472 activily attacked such pathogens with its' own DNA, going to the extremes that Harry Kim was almost killed when he was infected with some of their DNA, {scratched I think}

Your statement may be right, but it could also be completely wrong.

Cheers

Andrew

They can always be ass rap** by the shotcannons or lasguns.

Hail to the creeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!baby Ask not the moot a question,for he will give you three answers,all of which will result in a public humiliation.

My DIY chapter Fire Wraiths http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/264338.page
3 things that Ivan likes:
Food Sex Machines
Tactical Genius of DakkaDakka
Colonel Miles Quaritch is my hero
 
   
Made in us
The Conquerer






Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios

danp164 wrote:40K would win easily, Games Workshop would simply nerf everyone else to make the Space Marines look more awesome.


I think this statement wins the Thread

Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines

Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K General Discussion
Go to: