jspyd3rx wrote:ohhh.... Megadred $125.00 with shipping and one of each arm included. Yep.. no wolves for me for sure come Oct. whatever. This is begging for a huge muddy look. Shame it isn't a troop carrier like the Super Heavy tank, it would be hilarious to imagine orks hanging of this giant dred. Actually... this could proxy as a Battlewagon. KillaKannon, Grabby Klaw, and big shootas. Would that be legal?

H.B.M.C. wrote:That tank is awesome.

The Dread is pretty cool, but it's rules leave a lot to be desired. The damn things three times the size of a Dread, yet it's not a Super-Heavy. What gives?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The damn things three times the size of a Dread, yet it's not a Super-Heavy. What gives?

aka_mythos wrote:Its the size of a Land Raider.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Tank is OK, and shows that GW really has no clue how RL tanks work. But as this is an *Ork* Tank, the fact that it couldn't possibly work IRL is perfectly Or-Kay with me!
Tank scores 4/5.

The Grot gunners are meh - I suspect any Ork player can just make their own.

H.B.M.C. wrote:If they do make Knights I sure hope it's with rules better than that.

Tailgunner wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Tank is OK, and shows that GW really has no clue how RL tanks work. But as this is an *Ork* Tank, the fact that it couldn't possibly work IRL is perfectly Or-Kay with me!
Tank scores 4/5.

FW is generally better than GW at designing vehicles that at least look as though they could work (in part because some of their designers are experienced military modellers). The tank's suspension and other worky bits look viable; it just wouldn't survive 3 minutes on a real battlefield.

JohnHwangDD wrote:There are suspension bitz that have been cribbed from RL-type tanks, but that won't possibly work.

The tracks are laid out flat like a construction vehicle, so there's no climbing ability. The "suspension" can't work because it's laid out horizontal, rather than with usuable veritical travel. The drive wheel has minimal track wrap, so that won't work for power transmission. And there's no track tensioner, so it's begging to throw a track at any time. And then you have the whole bizzareness of the external drive shafts, which have no counter-torque built-in structurally, so they'd be torn off in an instant.

Net result, if you were to attempt to power this setup IRL, the transmission system would rip itself apart before moving an inch.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:There are suspension bitz that have been cribbed from RL-type tanks, but that won't possibly work.

The tracks are laid out flat like a construction vehicle, so there's no climbing ability. The "suspension" can't work because it's laid out horizontal, rather than with usuable veritical travel. The drive wheel has minimal track wrap, so that won't work for power transmission. And there's no track tensioner, so it's begging to throw a track at any time. And then you have the whole bizzareness of the external drive shafts, which have no counter-torque built-in structurally, so they'd be torn off in an instant.

Net result, if you were to attempt to power this setup IRL, the transmission system would rip itself apart before moving an inch.

It's weird, but somehow FW has managed to find tank fanatics who are absolutely clueless as to how tanks work, and put them in charge of their design department.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Net result, if you were to attempt to power this setup IRL, the transmission system would rip itself apart before moving an inch.

JohnHwangDD wrote:There are suspension bitz that have been cribbed from RL-type tanks, but that won't possibly work.

The tracks are laid out flat like a construction vehicle, so there's no climbing ability./quote]

That's probably right, but it's a bit pedantic in a world where most tanks have almost no ground clearance, little or no suspension (and no scope for what suspension there is to 'travel'), and in the case of the Chimera no visible means of propulsion. The suspension units are based on early tank suspension components. Idler = Panzer III idler. Roadwheels = horizontal volute suspension. The positioning of the drive sprocket and return rollers is perverse, but it's not unworkable per se.

The "suspension" can't work because it's laid out horizontal, rather than with usuable veritical travel.

That doesn't mean it wouldn't work, just that it's primitive. Rather than being based on a modern MBT's suspension, it's based on the horizontal volute suspension used on (for instance) the late model Sherman. It would certainly be a bumpy ride though.

The drive wheel has minimal track wrap, so that won't work for power transmission.

Again, that's being very pedantic. It would turn the track, but it would probably throw a track easily.

And there's no track tensioner, so it's begging to throw a track at any time. And then you have the whole bizzareness of the external drive shafts, which have no counter-torque built-in structurally, so they'd be torn off in an instant

For all you know there's a tensioner behind one of the wheels. I can't see these external drive shafts in any of the photos.

All your points really just confirm what I'd observed, which is that it could work, but it wouldn't work well or survive combat conditions. Which means it's not much worse that some of the early tank designs that were tested and in some cases actually used in combat.

CT GAMER wrote:I would point out that it is well documented int he fluff that orky technology defies rationale explanation as far as it's design and function. Orky tech works because a Mek says it is a proppa build and other orks believe it will work. Anyone who tries to dissect the workings of a piece of orky tech and apply real world logic to it is ignoring this focal attribute of ork tech as stated in the fluff...

Not to mention that this is a game of toy soldiers w/ robots and space men with laser guns, etc. Less qq more pew pew me thinks...

Buttlerthepug wrote:Bah, I want one of dem dreads hardcore status however You could buy a stompa with that kind of money!