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yes traitor gaurd, and thanks for the compliment. Will know tonight what I need to get painted up. Got out of work WAYYYYYY early(snow storm down south=me getting to leave) so I am cranking out the psykers and the chimera today while I wait on the plumber to show up. Damn garbage disposal.

I just realized something.

No killpoint missions does encourage MSUs and min/maxed lists, but there's something even more horrifying.

There's no reason that tyranid players shouldn't bring a 5 tervigon list. They'll start on the table with 6 troop choices, and spawn 5 addition 3d6 numbered troop choices every turn of the game until they run dry with no repercussions.

That would literally mean that if the tervigon player didn't roll any doubles, they could spawn 25 troop choices during a game, in addition to their starting 6 troop choices, 2 HQs, and other stuff.

.....seriously?

A) Each Tervigon a 50% chance to run dry each time it spawns, and every unit of gants within 6" takes 3d6 hits when each Tervigon dies. And if the gants aren't within 6" of a Tervigon, they get no special powers.
B) How many points is this, again?

Don't be scared.

Depends on the rules they're using. MechaniCon used a modified "kill point" system based on VPs. Units below 50%/damaged got half VPs as usual, but units entirely wiped out scored double VP value.

Maybe it doesn't quite penalize MSU as harshly as KPs, but those easy-to-kill 10 Termagant broods would score 100 VPs each when wiped out. So you could rack up a lot of VPs just by wiping out Termagants.

There are ways of getting a KP kind of effect without using actual KPs.

Mikhaila has each mission worth 22 points in total. I'm guessing he might be running the old "primary, secondary, and tertiary" objectives with the primary objective worth 12 points, secondary worth 6 points, and tertiary worth 4 points. So for example a mission might be:

Primary: Have more kill points then your opponent
Secondary: Control more objectives then your opponent
Tertiary: Destroy or have falling back all of your opponents HQ choices.

Meaning that while kill points don't account for the entire mission's scoring, they account for a large portion of it.

Just my guess.

Just for giggles, I popped up Vassal and did some 3d6ing. This obviously presumes you're using those gants to plow forward and keep the tervigons on the back table edge, out of range of as much as possible, and possibly getting cover depending on terrain.

5 tervigants:

Turn1:

#1: 3,1,5: 9 Termigants
#2: 1,2,5: 8 Termigants
#3: 5,6,4: 15 Termigants
#4: 1,2,5: 8 Termigants
#5: 5,5,4: 14 Termigants (dry)

Turn2:

#1: 2,2,6: 10 Termigants (dry)
#2: 1,6,4: 11 Termigants
#3: 6,1,4: 11 Termigants
#4: 6,5,1: 12 Termigants
#5: (dry)

Turn3:

#1: (dry)
#2: 2,5,6: 13 Termigants
#3: 1,1,5: 7 Termigants (dry)
#4: 6,6,4: 16 Termigants (dry)
#5: (dry)

Turn4:

#1: Dry
#2: 3,5,5: 13 Termigants (dry)
.....

And menopause sets in.

I created 12 troop choices in 3 turns, and a thirteenth on turn4 for a total of 147 termigants.

Foot slogging orks don't have a chance, even on the charge at I3 against those I4 units.

Shootas are a footslogging Ork army's friend. Even Sluggas can do damage.

Remember that gants are LD5, unless they're in synapse. If they're in synapse, they take extra Fearless wounds when you beat them in assault.

A basic termagant has 1 S3 attack if it's not within 6" of a Tervigon to give it extra powers. If the Tervies are hiding in back, they're not doing the extra power thing. If they're up close to give powers, then focus on the Tervigons, and blow up the gants.

A tooled-up Tervigon is over 200pts. How many are there going to be in a list? Especially if he's got to take Hive Guard, Zoanthropes, etc. to have some anti-tank? Bear in mind also the meta-game consideration that most people in attendance DO also play in environments where KPs come up regularly. How many people are going to a) convert/build extra Tervigons just for this event, and b) have time to practice using those lists?

How often do you guys hold/have these events? I'm an old 40k player thats just gotten back into the hobby recently and I am always looking for clubs or other gamers in the philadelphia area. I ask because I won't be able to attend this one

Mikhaila's stores have all kinds of events all the time. He's the man like that.

Not all of them are big GT-type events like this one. I'm sure you can find something cool to attend.

Brother-Chaplain Gaius wrote:How often do you guys hold/have these events? I'm an old 40k player thats just gotten back into the hobby recently and I am always looking for clubs or other gamers in the philadelphia area. I ask because I won't be able to attend this one

Pretty much continuously at this point. Since we opened up the Bunker on Jan 1st, we are trying to fill events in for most weekends. This year we have about 20 GW events currently on the schedule, 3 FOW 2 day tournaments, 1 Bloodbowl, and 3 Warmachine. And then I still have to schedule in the Apocalypse battles.

Upcoming stuff is a ETC style WFB tourney on March 6th, and an Apdepticon Gladiator Tournament on March 20th, exact rules as at Adepticon, for a warm up. Next GT after this is THE BIG SHOW!, which is 2999 Fantasy, and we will be adding 40k this year, at a higher points level than normal tournaments.

And then the normal crazyness of about 12-20 people gaming all day on most Saturdays and Sundays.

We like to game a lot.)

Mike...

My wife wants to know if spectators will be allowed. And if not, she would like to know if she can have a special dispensation for being "totally ossum"

*edit* She also says that she can help out if needed.

Dashofpepper wrote:Mike...

My wife wants to know if spectators will be allowed. And if not, she would like to know if she can have a special dispensation for being "totally ossum"

*edit* She also says that she can help out if needed.

Planning on distracting your opponents, Dash?

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Mike...

My wife wants to know if spectators will be allowed. And if not, she would like to know if she can have a special dispensation for being "totally ossum"

*edit* She also says that she can help out if needed.

Planning on distracting your opponents, Dash?

Good strat lets see where he goes with this one

Dashofpepper wrote:Mike...

My wife wants to know if spectators will be allowed. And if not, she would like to know if she can have a special dispensation for being "totally ossum"

*edit* She also says that she can help out if needed.

Spectators are fine. Better than fine Spectators are especially welcome.

The space is separate from the store, and has a good amount of elbow room.

Yes...my wife is planning on wearing a V-neck lowcut shirt and leaning over the table during my opponent's shooting phase to look closely at their models. *laughing*

Dashofpepper wrote:Yes...my wife is planning on wearing a V-neck lowcut shirt and leaning over the table during my opponent's shooting phase to look closely at their models. *laughing*

The kind of WAAC that no gamer will mind Do it!

They are a team.

G

Here's what we are going with for a tournament FAQ. I have vain hopes it won't generate many pages of discussion on the topics that have been discussed to death. We are using the INAT because it answers most questions and makes things easier for me as a TO. Some of us had concerns on certain rulings, so we compromised, and changed a few that people felt most strongly on. If you're playing in the tournament, feel free to contact me to discuss anything. (If you're NOT playing in the tournament, feel free to call me in 2 weeks, after the tournament, to discuss anything you want. Lots of scenery needs building in the meantime.)

Tournament FAQ

Many people have been asking specific questions about rules, and others have been asking if we will be using any FAQ's such as INAT. After many hours of discussion, we are going with the following:

1) If you have a specific question about your army, please/email Mike Clark at Mikenjudyc@aol.com or 610-891-9229. Especially if it affects how you make the list. If I think that clarification needs to be posted, I'll add it to our FAQ.

2) All GW FAQ's and Errata will be used. Check the GW website for these.

3) We will be using the INAT FAQ, with a few exceptions, as a guideline for rules not covered by GW, or where GW rules are interpreted differently by different people. Specific rulings about specific situations occurring in games will still use the TO's verdict as the final say in all matters.

Exceptions to the INAT FAQ:

1) Hive Commander rule that gives a Tyranid army +1 bonus to reserve rolls may be used even if the Tyrant is not on the table. In a similar way, Imperial Advisors (astropath, and officer of the fleet) will still grant their bonuses when not on the table.

2) When a deepstriking unit is making the initital placement of a model, before scatter is rolled, it may not be place in impassable terrain, or over enemy models. This includes Mawlocs and Monoliths. (And to avoid the immediate question, yes, spore mines may be placed on top of enemy models.)

3) If a Hive Tyrant joins a unit of Tyrant Guard, and the unit is engaged in close combat, then for purposes of the Tyrant putting attacks on the enemy unit, and the enemy unit putting attacks on the Tyrant, treat the Tyrant as an Independent Character. (IE, models can pick out the Tyrant if he is in base to base with those models, and the Tyrant must be in base to base with enemy to put attacks on the enemy unit.)

4) The Spirit Leech ability from the Doom of Malanti does not affect units embarked inside of vehicles.

5) Valkyries: To shoot at a Valkyrie, measure to any point on it's hull. Wings and Tail sections are ignored. The Valkyrie measures it's own shooting and LOS from it's weapons mounts, as normal for vehicles. Use the base of the model for assaulting the valkyrie, and models embark/disembark to the base. If the model is immobilized, use the base as it's footprint, rather than placing the model on the table.

If you have questions, comments, or concerns, please feel free to contact me. -Mike Clark

Thanks for the clarifications, Mike. I keep forgetting to officially register, but I'll get signed up and paid up tonight. Looking forward to the tourney!

As a reminder to folks coming, please turn in your lists tonite/early tomorrow. Several people are driving up to two hours so we can go over the lists for errors, and do the comp scoring friday night. You can email lists to me at MikenJudyc@aol.com

Please give me a call at the shop if anyone has a question 610 891 9229

Last day to register at 60.00 is the 21st, after that the price goes up to 70.00. The penalty 10 bucks is there for a reason. Renting extra space from the mall at the last minute to accomodate more people costs us. We'd rather know who's coming, than be scrambling at the last minute to fit you in.

I emailed my list to the address sent to me in the reminder email, but if I recall it's not the address you just posted, should I resend the email to that address.

*looks around furtively for scenarios*


=)

I am in agreement with your rulings for the Tyranid codex. Good job! I wish I could make it out for this one! I'm sure it's going to be a great event.

G

yermom wrote:I emailed my list to the address sent to me in the reminder email, but if I recall it's not the address you just posted, should I resend the email to that address.

Either was fine. We just set up that new email, which we'll use from now on, as it redirects to all 3 of us that are acting as TO's throughout the year. This way there is one email for sending in lists, and all of us get them. Built in redundancy.

Dashofpepper wrote:*looks around furtively for scenarios*


=)

Scenarios are finished up, and I have two people checking them over for me for typos, (or suckiness), and I will be posting them up on Tuesday Night / Wednesday morning. We will have copies for of them posted at the tournament, and at each table. If you want a copy of your own, print one off after they are posted.

Awesome!

My gameplay revolves around "WAAAAUGH!!! KILL DEM STUMPIES!" for four turns.

Followed by a turn5 realization that I should check the scenario and see what the mission is.

Figure if I can see them in advance and talk about them with someone, maybe I'll be able to apply some kunnin' tricks and play to the mission.

Yeah-it always bewilders me completely when my opponent (who is usually otherwise a competent player) doesn't even look at the scenario until turn 5.

LOOK AT THE SCENARIO BEFORE THE GAME STARTS!
UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY!

SVDM - SCENARIOS!





I'm posting these here so folks can get an idea of the scenarios. I reserve the right to fine tune them, fix typos, etc. Final copies passed out at the tournament will be used. Please keep this in mind.

Format may be wonky, it's just a copy/paste job. It will get cleaned up when it goes on the BGNE site, and in the final draft.

As always, send me questions at Mikenjudyc@aol.com (If you aren't playing in the tournament, feel free to ask me questions next week. Sorry, busy.)

Mission 1: Scorched Earth


(This mission takes inspiration from the new Battle Missions book, page 14)


Setup: Before the game starts, players will need to place 5 markers on the table, as detailed in 'Seize Ground' mission on page 91. Ignore the part about d3+2 markers, and use 5 markers.

Game length: Normal, as per the rulebook. (Random 5-7 rounds)


Deployment: Spearhead, page 93.
(Please note, that the first player picks a long table edge, and deploys his forces into one of the quarters adjacent to that table edge. Reserves may move onto the board from anywhere along his long table edge, not just from the portion in his deployment zone.)


Special Rules: All pieces of area terrain, and ruined buildings, are either on fire, or a smoking ruin. After placing objective markers, roll a D6 for each piece of area terrain, or ruins (model could not be placed in the terrain, you do not have to roll for it.) and refer to the following table:


1-3 The terrain is on fire and burning. Count the terrain as dangerous.
4-6 The terrain is a smoking ruin. Models inside the terrain may add +1 to any cover saves.
(If a model is in terrain, and does not have a cover save, it does not gain a bonus at all.)


All other rules such as infiltrate, reserves, seize the initiative, are used.


Scoring:


Primary Objective: Control more markers than your opponent.
(10 points. In the case of a tie, neither player scores points.)


Secondary Objective: Score more kill points than your opponent.
(7 points.)


Tertiary Objective: Destroy all of your opponents HQ choices.
(4 points.)


Bonus Point: Have one of your HQ choices in the enemy deployment zone.






Player 1:_________________________ Score:________

Player 2:__________________________Score:________


Table# ________








Mission 2: Death to my Enemies!!

I don’t care how many of you milksops die out there. Casualties don’t matter. I won’t shed a tear if everyone on this Emperor forsaken planet dies. I only care about stopping the bugs for one more day. “
Colonel Jameson of the 11th planetary brigade, Lee’s World



Setup: Use the Pitched Battle setup on page 92


Deployment: As Pitched Battle


Special Rules: All normal rules are used (infiltrate, seize the initiative, reserves, etc)


Game Length: 6 Turns




Scoring:


Primary Objective: There is only one objective. Kill the enemy. It is possible for both players to score next to nothing, or for both to achieve a near perfect score.


Scoring: Battle points are determined by the number of victory points scored in the game. Victory Points (VP), are equal to the points cost of the unit destroyed, as follows:
-Wounded Independent characters give half their victory points.
-Damaged Vehicles give half of their victory points. (immobilized or weapon destroyed)
-Immobilized vehicles with no weapons left count as destroyed for purposes of VP.
-Units taken below half, or below half, of their starting wounds, give half VP.


Victory Points Tournament Score


350 to 500 2 points
501 to 650 4 points
651 to 800 6 points
801 to 950 8 points
951 to 1100 10 points
1101 to 1250 12 points
1251 to 1400 14 points
1401 to 1550 16 points
1551 to 1700 18 points
1701 to 1850 20 points


Bonus Point: Have an HQ choice left at the end of the game. Someone has to accept a medal, after all.
Bonus Point: Your surviving HQ choice is in the enemy deployment zone, planting the flag while accepting that medal.


Player 1:_________________________ Score:________

Player 2:__________________________Score:________


Table# ________


Mission 3: 40k Football


(A sacred relic of Saint Lombardi has been found. Legend claims that if the inflated pigskin is placed behind enemy lines, victory will be ours! So get out there, and win one for the Emperor!)


Setup: One marker in the exact center of the table.


Deployment: Pitched Battle, as per the rulebook, page 92.


Special Rules: Onside Kick - Seize the initiative will happen on a 5-6.


Game Length: Normal Game Length. (Random 5-7 turns.)




Scoring:


Primary Objective: Place an objective marker in the center of the table at the beginning of the game. This is represented by a small round base. This is the 'football.' Any infantry unit can pick up the football. The unit must not be in a transport. To pick up the football, the unit must have one of its models in base to base contact with the football at the end of the movement phase. They will carry the football until the unit is destroyed, flee, embark into a transport, go to ground or get pinned. If any of these things happens, the unit has 'fumbled' the football. The opposing player may immediately place the football within 2” of the unit that lost the ball, not in impassable terrain. If the unit was destroyed, it is placed within 2” of the last model killed. If the unit was destroyed in hand to hand, one of the units that destroyed them may immediately claim control. At the end of the game the side with the football wins the primary objective. If no one side has the ball at the end of the game neither side gets the points for this objective.
(10 points)


Secondary Objective: Kill anyone that touches the ball! Destroy all of your opponents infantry.
(7 points)


Tertiary Objective: Sack the Quarterback! Destroy all of the enemies HQ choices.
(4 points)


Bonus Point: Touchdown! At some point in the game, one of your units controlling the ball had at least one model in the enemies deployment zone.






Player 1:_________________________ Score:________

Player 2:__________________________Score:________


Table# ________








Mission 4: Dawn Raid


(Catching the enemy by surprise before he had his morning coffee was a great idea, unfortunately, he was thinking the same thing.) This mission takes some inspiration from the 'Dawn Raid' mission on page 26 of the new Battle Missions book.


Setup: Divide the table into quarters. Place an objective marker in the center of each table quarter. Players each roll a d6, with the highest rolling player choosing a table quarter. The second player will deploy in the table quarter diagonally across from the first player. The table edge for each player will be the portions of the long and short table edges that form part of his deployment zone. The portion of table edge between the two players deployment zones should be marked as 'right' and 'left' for purposes of outflanking units.


Deployment: The first player may deploy any of his fast attack choices, and troops choices mounted in dedicated transports. Any of these units that he chooses not to deploy will be held in reserve. All other units will be held in reserve as well.
The second player may then deploy any fast attack choices, and troops choices mounted in dedicated transports.






Special Rules: Night fighting rules are used on turn 1. At the end of turn 1, roll a d6 and on a 4+ night fighting will be used for turn 2 as well. Night fighting is not used in turn 3 on.
All other rules such as reserves, outflanking, infiltrate, etc are used.

Game Length: at the end of turn 6, roll a dice. On a 4+ play a 7th turn, otherwise, the game ends on 6 turns.




Scoring:


Primary Objective: Control the objective marker in your opponents deployment zone.
(10 points)


Secondary Objective: Control both objective markers in the neutral table quarters ( The ones that neither you or your opponent are deploying in.)
(7 points)


Tertiary Objective: Destroy all of your opponents fast attack choices. If you're opponent did not field any fast attack choices, you may meet this objective by destroying all of their troop choices that have dedicated vehicles. If they have no troops with dedicated vehicles, you gain it for destroying all their HQ choices.
(4 points)


Bonus Point: Have a fast attack choice within 6” of the objective marker in your opponents deployment zone at the end of the game.






Player 1:_________________________ Score:________

Player 2:__________________________Score:________


Table# ________


Mission 5: Annihilation


(Destroy the enemy, steal his stuff, and someone keep the beer back at camp safe.)


Setup: This mission uses the 'Capture and Control' and 'Pitched Battle' rules on page 91 and 92. (Each person has one objective, setup along the long table edges.)


Deployment: Pitched Battle, page 92


Special Rules: All rules such as infiltrate, seize the initiative, reserves, outflanking, etc are used.


Game Length: Standard Game Length as on page 90. (Random game length of 5-7 turns.)




Scoring:


Primary Objective: Control the objective marker in your opponents deployment zone.
Contesting the objective is worth 5 points.
(10 points)


Secondary Objective: Kill points. The player with the most Kill points, as described in the book,
on page 91
(7 points)


Tertiary Objective: Retain control of your own objective point.
(4 points)


Bonus Point: Have an HQ choice within 6” of the objective marker in your opponents deployment zone.






Player 1:_________________________ Score:________

Player 2:__________________________Score:________


Table# ________

I'm not attending-so unbiased commentary

I like them overall. There's not one that jumps out at me as "Wow, that's an auto-lose for a bunch of armies."

Minor commentary:

Missions 1-2 are fine IMO.

Mission 3: I winced as soon as I saw "Football" but this is a much better "Football" mission than usual-it's not just a draw machine. Kudos.

Mission 4: The deployment rules seem to hurt armies with no real usable FA slots vs. those that do (CSM or Orks vs. Typhoon Spam, Vendettas, etc.). To balance this, maybe have a "nearby" option like in DoW so that players can auto-get all their stuff on their turn 1 if they want it immediately or leave it in reserve if they want to play reserve games? This is the one real issue I have with the missions.

Mission 5: I think that you have it right here. This is a Win Big, Win Small, or Lose Big mission which will help you sort out the top tables at the end.