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A. release the codexs. then place a copy of rules in with the new models as they are being released. this allows units to be added to codexs and also encourage conversions at the same time.

I would, infact not only would I, I'd allow updated codexes to come in for new ideas that sempt fair. (i.e. not my ideas)

I would.

I would release them so people would want to get them more badly which means more profit which means WIN!

Didnt we have this poll before?

I liked it when there were units that did not have models made for them (and it stated that in the codex) because it gave the player the freedom to do with that model what they thought it should look like. But general rules on base size and that would be nice, just so different player's armies are somewhat uniform.

Is it just me or does the first option seem a little more detailed and slightly biased than the others. Biased as in "pick me! I'm the right answer!"
I don't play the game but I understand by reading through this thread that the first choice is perhaps the best answer. I'm just against the fact that the question is tailored to make anyother voters that vote for something different seem bad

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Is it just me or does the first option seem a little more detailed and slightly biased than the others. Biased as in "pick me! I'm the right answer!"

It's called a 'loaded question'.

I hate that I had to say yes, but that's the painfully honest answer.

You can just compensate with making conversions like for ig.

um,well the way they do it now is great,so yeah,chose first option. We need tervigons and harpies,soon.

I would say letting the book ship first is the best idea. It means that they don't have to completely focus on one model range while still letting the army progress.
The Daemons book really wasn't that bad because it still had opportunities for people to make conversions and basically encouraged them to do so.
Greetsz,
Mr. Self Destruct

I would wait 'til all the models were done.

As a Space Wolves player I had to look for Thunderwolf Cavalry models from other modelers and artists and the ones that I have in my army are totally unuseable in competitions. Why create stats for such an amazing unit and not make a sculpt?!?! TWC would sell like hotcakes to Space Wolves players if they made them. Im still holding on to some hope that Forgeworld will make them someday thought ;D

Praise Russ!

I voted "yes" because it not only allows people the potential for amazing conversion work, but at its core this is a business and revenue needs to be generated for continued expansion.

Yes, but I would makes sure some of the unusual Models were acalible [Thunder Wolf Calvary] even if it was just Forge World

i woud. but I wouth incuringe convertion's and reopen the ordering of bitz.

Another set of heavily loaded poll options. No wonder the front one is over 2000. The second and third options are unreasonable (but also unrealistic), painting that viewpoint in a negative light:

Option 1 - Business as usual allowing for growth of the hobby and meadows and flowers and bunnies and happy fun times.
Option 2 - DELAYS!!!!!!!!1
Option 3 - CUT BACKS!!!!2

Sheesh...



Not only that but it leaves out a more realistic option:

Every Codex entry should have a model. That doesn't mean that the model must come out when the Codex is release - the option of doing 'Wave' releases is fine - but no unit entry should be without a model, whether it takes 1 month or 24 months for that model to come out. And that should be a stated promise from the company producing them, kind've like back in 3rd and 4th, where they said that they'd have models for everything, so even if the model isn't out right away, we know that it will eventually be released.


[EDIT]: Wow... didn't realise how old this thread was, and that I had already replied to it. Heh.

I feel that this is a major part of the hobby. Allowing for conversions and letting the fans have something to look forward too.

The current Chaos Marine codex had all the models released for every option yet it is still missing something...

Yes, I would allow it because it means you can offer a much larger range of stuff in the codex than is currently available. but I think GW could handle it better. I wouldn't ship a book with core units missing but I don't think GW usually do this. But there have been many occasions when more minor things have taken a long time to be released. Many of my older codexes have stuff that wasn't released for several editions if at all.

Huron Blackheart and Cypher were both detailed in 2nd edition army lists but didn't receive models for several years, Marco Colombo was detailed in the Dogs of War book for Fantasy 5th ed but didn't get a figure until 6th or 7th when DoW were virtually squatted. But those are all characters rather than units or large war machines and vehicles.

My feeling is that GW release a codex and leave some things out, that's ok as long as they continue to support an army and add to it later. You would be then offered the option of waiting or kitbashing something. But unlike years ago they more frequently go for the big splash of releases and then drop the army instead of drip feeding it for some time to complete the codex. So they release a codex, supply a couple of months worth of releases and move onto the next thing regardless of how much has been done on the previous range. If you don't get something ealry on you are unlikely to see it at all. Years ago you could be pleasantly surprised to open WD and find an unexpected new release for your army making you feel like they hadn't forgotten you after all even though you codex was months or years old.

As long as your conversions remain 'legal' after the product's 'actual' release then it'll be fine.

Like DE scourges... ok box of warriors + box of gargoyles = 10 scourges for less than £30.

When scourges are released it will probably cost £15 for 5 so ££ wise it works out, mine are unique and I will have them 'before' anyone not using the old minis.

What annoys me is when you make something and people tell you to get the 'real' miniatures. What is real Neo?

I couldn't care less.
When the models arrive they arrive, and when the codicies arrive they arrive.

The part of me that craves creativity and independence, doesn't care if there is a model or not..

But my lazy/stubborn git inside says yea I do care if there is a model or not..

Guess my only example would have to be Canis model. That being its the only model out now with actually thunder wolf and it looks like it was rushed and done a bit half assed and why would you rush to release a SC model if you didn't have actually thunder wolf unit models ready yet?

Phototoxin wrote:
What annoys me is when you make something and people tell you to get the 'real' miniatures. What is real Neo?

@Phototoxin nice matrix reference lol

It's a huge pissoff to have missing units. but i guess it gets people off their butts to make creative conversions.
i still grumble at GW for their "marketing strategy" which just seems like laziness from the outside!

yes

I'd do what they are doing now.

But with a few changes.
1st of all,have a tutorial in a WD or Online of the best way to convert them.

2nd would just be make the new models as soon as possible.
Look at Warriors of Chaos,Chaos Daemons and Imperial Gaurd,lots of heros,still few models for them.

Schmapdi wrote:I would - but not to the degree they do with the Tyranid codex for instance.

But leaving a few for a second/third wave is a good idea, and gives people something to look forward to (in theory).

Plus it gives converters something to do.

I 100% agree with this.

There is nothing wrong with releasing books before models, in fact it's good for the Hobby.

I draw exception to examples like thoee in the tyranid codex. Will they ever release any of the multiple models that are missing from the tyranid line?? hell... half of the command/Hvy options are only available from Forge World.

Instead of DE getting a million updates in a row while all some ork players want is a decent warbuggy/trakk. I think they should drop the theme thing and update a few models from different armies every month.

(You know what would be awesome? Instead of random, sporadic updates just say: "every single model will be updated, guaranteed, X years after it's released.")

I think they should have all the models readily available. I personally am not that great at constructions or conversions. I was extremely upset that the Storm Raven took so long to release being it was, at the time, exclusive to BA. It was something that was supposed to set the army apart even more and it took the release of the GK to have it release.

Overall... its really disappointing that they dont make the models for the armies they are putting out when its possibly something that is almost needed.

Yep, they plan they have now allows them to fit in more unit types and variation, without having to invest heavily in releasing all the models from the codex. And it gives something for people to look forward to. And it also gives you an idea of what units are popular and how to price them.

I am yes to a point. It makes sense to ship the Codex before most of the new units are finished but they are so hit and miss with releases (although they have gotten better in the last year). There just needs to be a consistency with book release and full range availability.