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For the purpose of this poll, please assume:

A) That Games Workshop does not have some diabolical plan where they create miniatures and then choose not to release them as part of some elaborate marketing scheme. Instead, assume that making miniatures takes time and money and they put out their miniatures essentially as quickly as they can within their budget and marketing release schedules.

B) That Games Workshop's method of releasing new rules for their armies only in the form of a Codex/Army Book is the way you're going to stick with rules updates for Warhammer 40K & WHFB.


With that in mind, if you ran Games Workshop, would you allow Codices/Army Books to ship without models for all the units in them being available at the time of printing?

I would, because it gives most people a chance to convert.

Yep , and converting with extra GW kits = more profit.
Win win!

I would hold off until all the models were ready.

Just release the codices for God's sake.

I would - but not to the degree they do with the Tyranid codex for instance.

But leaving a few for a second/third wave is a good idea, and gives people something to look forward to (in theory).

Plus it gives converters something to do.

I would, to a certain extent - not quite as much as the Imperial Guard codex, with the amount of variant tanks that are represented. I'd make sure that there were at the very least conversion kits available, or a bigger set with more options for at least a few of the options given depending on the army or unit in question. But not for all of them, because converting's very fun to do.

Why wait for GW? I'll make my own stuff.

Well, it gets people excited and causes some to start saving up or putting some cash aside for the future models. From a business man's standpoint, its an excellent idea.

Having seen a fantastic Tervigon conversion just last night I can see that it doesn't matter so much if the models aren't available, but personally I'd prefer to see all the models come out to time with the Codex release.

Release it. I don't care if I have to do intricate conversions or proxy for a while, I just want my Dark Eldar codex!

Voted for the 2nd option with the proviso "massive" dosent mean 5 years or something crazy.
Am useless at converting and was disappointed at the emphasis GW have put on the new Nid model conversions. Personally would not have minded waiting a few more months specifically for models such as the Tervi and Swarmlord.

Letting the sculptors work at their own pace and not under a bosun's whip works wonders.

They get more done, they get better stuff done, albeit not always in sync with a codex release.



I say let the creative staff do their magic, an inspired artist always produces better results than a pressured one.




p.s With that in mind, Dark eldar should be bloomin' amazing!

I would release the codex but ensure that there is a least enough models released for each army to make a legal list for 3 to 5 thousand points. (depending on 40k or fb)

I went for option one. Last Tyranid Codex was dead boring. Now there's loads of options and though I imagine preferred army builds will soon start to emerge, you should never know what to expect. GW have supported a lot of the new Nids in the recent release anyway.

Have patience people

Just release it ASAP.

I can convert models - I actually PREFER is there are a few units with no models for exactly that reason.

I'd much rather just get the rules update asap...

ArbitorIan wrote:Just release it ASAP.

I can convert models - I actually PREFER is there are a few units with no models for exactly that reason.

I'd much rather just get the rules update asap...

I feel the exact same way

I do not see how they can support a wysiwyg tournement style play, but not create models for some of the best units in the codex, such as the IG Medusa and Manticore, the 'Nid Tervigon and T-Fex, just to name the newest ones. There is a lot of problems with how they produce their models.

When a new unit is introduced, every unit must have a model, or else they can not enforce a wysiwyg play style at all and they can not expect us to buy their models. They are only hurting themselves. Having a larger line of miniatures at a lesser price, they can increase sales and then increase profit by sacrificing to their dedicated audience.

I would definitley ship the codex without all units being available. It makes sense to put codicies out faster, thereby keeping more armies viable and supporting those already collecting those armies. By releasing units later, you also keep the collectors of those armies interested, and keep the lines of figures expanding rather than sitting dormant for even longer than they already do.

GW has a long tradition of putting out codicies where not every unit and unit variant is currently produced. It sucks for tourney players who want their list complete and want it NOW, but for those of us without scads of $ to drop at once, it's nice to be able to build up our forces and periodically see new releases for our favorite armies.

It also gives converters stuff to do, and -especially in the case of IG- throws a nice bone to forgeworld.

Even if all the models were preped before the codex and still released slowly, I wouldn't see that as a bad thing, just good marketing.

It really annoys me when people complain that there are no models for a cirtain unit, put a bit of effort in and make something, even if it doesn't look amazing, you've tried.

Nenya97 wrote:I do not see how they can support a wysiwyg tournement style play, but not create models for some of the best units in the codex, such as the IG Medusa and Manticore, the 'Nid Tervigon and T-Fex, just to name the newest ones. There is a lot of problems with how they produce their models.

When a new unit is introduced, every unit must have a model, or else they can not enforce a wysiwyg play style at all and they can not expect us to buy their models. They are only hurting themselves. Having a larger line of miniatures at a lesser price, they can increase sales and then increase profit by sacrificing to their dedicated audience.

If I can do this:






Anyone can...

It is a hobby, after all. Before you complain about it being too hard, take a look at some of the flying rodent gak stuff regular modelers do with etched brass, resin interior kits, etc. See also: Gundam-Mecha's threads.

I honestly don't care.

This poll is missing the following option:

I would release Codices without models but would have a clear and obvious window (say 6 months) in which all of the additional models would be released.

Actually what I would do is tie each release of a 'xenos' codex to one for a Space Marine chapter which would be released at the same time. This would give me a steady release of Space Marine (cash cow) models along side whichever army was being released at the time.

All fluff released during this period would in some way tie into a specified conflict between Marine chapter X and Xenos race Y.

George Spiggott wrote:This poll is missing the following option:

I would release Codices without models but would have a clear and obvious window (say 6 months) in which all of the additional models would be released.

Actually what I would do is tie each release of a 'xenos' codex to one for a Space Marine chapter which would be released at the same time. This would give me a steady release of Space Marine (cash cow) models along side whichever army was being released at the time.

All fluff released during this period would in some way tie into a specified conflict between Marine chapter X and Xenos race Y.

This.

I said yes. It makes for more opportunities to convert models, or sculpt your own. Also, I kinda like the metagame of doing without units, or being able to afford the fancy models. Adds a tier to the game.


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BloodofOrks wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:This poll is missing the following option:

I would release Codices without models but would have a clear and obvious window (say 6 months) in which all of the additional models would be released.

Actually what I would do is tie each release of a 'xenos' codex to one for a Space Marine chapter which would be released at the same time. This would give me a steady release of Space Marine (cash cow) models along side whichever army was being released at the time.

All fluff released during this period would in some way tie into a specified conflict between Marine chapter X and Xenos race Y.

This.

What they said...

It seems like if we ever want to get stuff again than this is how it will have to be. On the other hand. I would NOT release an ork codex with a WAAAGH!!! banner...and then re-release the Nob box without one...

bastards

I'd like to add one addendum to my answer:

I would ship codices/army books without models for all the units BUT appropriate bases sizes and a general model size would be specified.

Picking an examples at random, it would be nice to know how big a Deathstrike missile launcher, The Doom of Whatever, or a Thunderwolf rider is supposed to be.

This is an interesting question. Thing is, given the current range of minis available GW can make cooler rules if they come out with rules for minis that do not have models yet. What's more if they come out with something new they can even see how popular it is before making minis for it, or else there is always Forge World.

Personally I think it is great that GW is coming out with new stuff, which was surprising and I really think it helps them, for lack of a better expression, compete with other companies; Privateer Press for example.

SO WHERE THE HELL IS RENEGADE/ MUTANT GUARD.

George Spiggott wrote:This poll is missing the following option:

I would release Codices without models but would have a clear and obvious window (say 6 months) in which all of the additional models would be released.

Actually what I would do is tie each release of a 'xenos' codex to one for a Space Marine chapter which would be released at the same time. This would give me a steady release of Space Marine (cash cow) models along side whichever army was being released at the time.

All fluff released during this period would in some way tie into a specified conflict between Marine chapter X and Xenos race Y.

Well, this poll assumes that Games Workshop generally releases miniatures when it is able to finish them (within the time frame of their ability to market the product, of course), so if you were demanding that your sculptors all work on getting every model out within 6 months of the release of the book those man hours are not being spent getting the next release ready which means you're essentially going with a variation of 'Option B' (wait until all the models are done until releasing the book), its just that you've set a different hard line 'out' point.

I would release the codices,however,I would also make the FULL range of bitz available for easier conversions.