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First point: You're okay with classifying Live Action as a different medium, but anime is bundled into animation? Doesn't bother me particularly, as my point still stands if I substitute the terms in question.

As long as you take 'Anime' to mean 'all animation everywhere', which of course it doesn't in this context. It refers to the japanese style of animation, a style which shares notable stylistic characteristics. See below.

Second point: It's not isolated to anime, it's all through their culture. Does that mean all Japanese have paedophilic preferences?

You could argue that that is the case, with regard to what the Japanese find sexually attractive. Bit of a generalisation though, and that isn't the same as saying 'all Japanese are paedos'.

I have also watched anime, but now trying to find some new stuff to watch is really hard.

And as to what I have watched, every singe series of gundam

Hellsing Original and Ultimate
FMA Both
Hajime No Ippo
Sukyou No Fafner
Robotech/Macross
Eyeshield 21
and whole lot more

But now, I am reading more and more manga, and actually watching more western live action series

Albatross wrote:

First point: You're okay with classifying Live Action as a different medium, but anime is bundled into animation? Doesn't bother me particularly, as my point still stands if I substitute the terms in question.

As long as you take 'Anime' to mean 'all animation everywhere', which of course it doesn't in this context. It refers to the japanese style of animation, a style which shares notable stylistic characteristics. See below.

Second point: It's not isolated to anime, it's all through their culture. Does that mean all Japanese have paedophilic preferences?

You could argue that that is the case, with regard to what the Japanese find sexually attractive. Bit of a generalisation though, and that isn't the same as saying 'all Japanese are paedos'.

Aren't you two half agreeing/half fighting... He is making the generalization that what the Japanese find attractive is... as a counter argument to people saying all Anime involves big titted school girls and are pedos. (And I'd say its no worse a generalization then America loves tall leggy blonds with a big rack)

And the medium vs style thing. Wikipedia makes a nice mess of it that I'll agree to.

Wikipedia wrote:"English-language dictionaries define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or as "a style of animation developed in Japan""

"As a visual medium, it can emphasize visual styles. The styles can vary from artist to artist or from studio to studio."

So it's a style, but as a visual medium the styles can vary...

Like I said, the difference doesn't really bother me, as my point (still unaddressed) still stands.

LunaHound wrote:
# Martial Arts - Battle Angel Alita

Just one person in this whole damn thread mentions Battle Angel/Gunnm.

Every last one of you but Luna can go to hell.

Pika_power wrote:Like I said, the difference doesn't really bother me, as my point (still unaddressed) still stands.

Your point? What, that one shouldn't judge all Anime by (for example) 'tentacle-rape'? I wasn't aware that I'd done that, so I ignored it.
Anime is a style, in which there are stylistic characteristics I dislike - sexualised infantilism being the main one. But as you pointed out, that runs throughout Japanese culture to a certain extent. It is also one of the things I dislike about Japanese culture. The food being another one.

Albatross wrote:

Pika_power wrote:Like I said, the difference doesn't really bother me, as my point (still unaddressed) still stands.

Your point? What, that one shouldn't judge all Anime by (for example) 'tentacle-rape'? I wasn't aware that I'd done that, so I ignored it.
Anime is a style, in which there are stylistic characteristics I dislike - sexualised infantilism being the main one. But as you pointed out, that runs throughout Japanese culture to a certain extent. It is also one of the things I dislike about Japanese culture. The food being another one.

sexual infantilism continuance of prepubertal sex characters and behavior after the usual age of puberty.

didn't know that Japanese are into baby mama role play... Wait, i don't think I've ever seen that in an anime

I can't work out if your agreeing with me or not.

I was just nit picking your choice of words. sexual infantilism actually refers to more the grown men in diapers drinking milk from their sexual partners. I believe your grief was with the exaggeration of sexual characteristics in Anime, particularly in young girls. And how, though it may be acceptable in Japan, you don't like it.

Through out this I've actually been slightly arguing with you as you seem to be pretty prejudice and unaware of the breadth of what 'Anime' is. It really is like saying 'American Prime Time TV' covering all sorts of genre of stories, styles of art and ranging form something that would Disney look smutty to stuff that would make a porn director blush. You seem to be fixated on something you've seen that has given you an impression that is quite different from mine. Guessing that you don't like Anime and therefore haven't seen as much as me, it miffs me a little that someone is willing to bunch all Anime into one category (one that I don't like at that) and miss all the good stuff that doesn't involve G-Cup 12 Yo flashing their panties every five seconds. (Usually refered to as either 'fan service' politely or 'ecchi' or 'pervert' not so politely)

I didn't say sexual infantilism.

I said 'sexualised' infantilism - infantilism that has been sexualised. The apperance of being like a child, but also containing calculated sexual appeal. A large breasted woman with a child-like face.

Type 'anime' into google, then select 'images'. There, THAT is what I'm talking about.

Anyway, this:

prepubertal sex characters and behavior after the usual age of puberty

...is actually a good description of what I'm talking about. Someone else mentioned that child-like 'cute' behaviour was seen as sexually attractive in Japan. And Japanese men are into infantilism in a BIG way.

Guessing that you don't like Anime and therefore haven't seen as much as me, it miffs me a little that someone is willing to bunch all Anime into one category (one that I don't like at that) and miss all the good stuff that doesn't involve G-Cup 12 Yo flashing their panties every five seconds.

You guessed correctly! Let's just ignore the fact that I mentioned my dislike of Anime several times in this thread, shall we?
I never said all Anime was the same, just that there are certain characteristics of the style (characteristics which define it as anime) that I dislike.

Guess I mis read on the first point, my bad.

point 2 all yours

my statement of
"Guessing that you don't like Anime and therefore haven't seen as much as me" is backwards, I meant

'Since you don't like Anime, I'm guessing you haven't seen as much as me" my bad on English

I never said all Anime was the same, just that there are certain characteristics of the style (characteristics which define it as anime) that I dislike.

rar! this is what I mean, you start off nice enough with "I never said all Anime was the same" but then contradict yourself with "just that there are certain characteristics of the style" that suggests that all Anime have these characteristics... which they don't!

Or maybe we are just butting heads 'cause when you think of "Anime" you are thinking off
"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography" (Wiki)
While I'm thinking of a broader selection of Anime.
"Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles." (Wiki)




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I'm not too much into the "anime" style of Anime, but enjoy a lot of the other 'non-anime' style Anime that are, generally, targetting late teens/young 20's instead of the 12-16 bracket. I'm not a dirty old man though there are highly sexualized characters, they are not high school girls. If you'd like to see something different, try Cowboy Bebop or Black Lagoon and I'd hope that you would see them as something different from 'Anime' and worth or not worth watching on their own merit.

@Deminyn - Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking? I assume you don't speak english as your first language - are you Japanese? This could be a reason for our misunderstanding.

Are you taking 'anime' to mean 'all animation' or 'the Japanese style of animation'? The second one has noticable characteristics that mark it out as being 'Anime' - that's not the same as saying all anime is the same. And I've never said that I wouldn't be open to watching ANY Anime ever again - just that I've never liked any that I have seen, and haven't seen anything Anime-related that I would be interested in watching. I'm prepared to give ANYTHING a chance.

Canadian. English is a first language, but I'm really bad at getting across what I mean in writing. (Didn't help in school either)

I use anime to describe the large sub set of animation that includes pretty much everything that comes out of Japan. I dunno, maybe it's one of those things where after you see 50 different shows you are able to identify the different 'styles' of Anime, including the 'Osamu Tezuka' style classic anime.

This kinda sums up what I mean.
"Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles." (Wiki)

The only reason I'm still posting in here is to try and get across that a) the pictures I was posting before (pg 2) show a breadth of animation styles that I find visually stunning (all anime)
and b) that not all anime has supersexed 12 yo school girls. In fact, a lot doesn't and you can easily watch 10 hours a week of non-12yo boob laden school girls if you want to, just like how I could watch 10 hours a week of American Prime time TV without having to watch skimpy dressed women on reality TV shows.

Double post .

>.>

lol, well, the uniform kinda makes it look like Victoria has basketballs under her shirt. Nothing worse then any action movie/show though I guess.

Yea, but in the older one they look alot more... natural.

@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all.

No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.

yer double post got un doubled and now all thats left is the "double post''

Yeah, I hate it when that happens!

K not spamming just reposting what I said. *I don't see it on the screen anymore*

I wanted to recommend Albatross that you watch the anime "Hellsing"

I had the odd feeling you'd enjoy it.

Think I will reboot computer problems.

Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)

No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.

Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)

does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?

Deminyn wrote:

Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)

No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.

Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)

does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?

Deminyn , i think the problem so far in the last pages are , people see a few anime and assumes thats what anime are.

Not enough exposure to the other variety i guess.

LunaHound wrote:

Deminyn wrote:

Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)

No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.

Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)

does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?

Deminyn , i think the problem so far in the last pages are , people see a few anime and assumes thats what anime are.

Not enough exposure to the other variety i guess.

It just makes me a little sad that it seems that so many people have a pretty hard preconception of anime and close themselves off to the rest. I honestly find some anime's to rival Avatar for visual appeal or to be as intellectually stimulating and challenging as reading Dune or even able to provoke visceral emotional reactions on the level of District 9. And it saddens me for people to think of Sailor Moon and Naruto instead of Princess Mononoke and Ghost in the Shell

LunaHound wrote:

Deminyn wrote:

Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)

No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.

Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)

does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?

Deminyn , i think the problem so far in the last pages are , people see a few anime and assumes thats what anime are.

Not enough exposure to the other variety i guess.

You need only see the way people who watch a lot of anime live to know how bad the stuff is.

To get an even better understanding, try to live with them. Ive been doing it for four years now.

before I lived with my current roommates I used to casually watch the stuff when it came on TV. Now that I have been exposed to more and more of it, I have to leave the room or risk going insane with rage.

I can't beleive no one has brought up the reason MOST people hate animes.

I like a couple, but I cant believe nobodys mentioned samurai x on their faves list

Oh no. Somebody brought up the dreaded 4kids "entertainment". That was just horrible. Since we have all seen why albatross doesn't like anime what are a few things uniquely entertaining about anime. Other than the fact that its animated that is.

rocklord2004 wrote:Oh no. Somebody brought up the dreaded 4kids "entertainment". That was just horrible. Since we have all seen why albatross doesn't like anime what are a few things uniquely entertaining about anime. Other than the fact that its animated that is.

Uniquely? It's non-comedic animation with a plot that holds up over the course of a series, with a wide range of genres. There is nothing else that supplies that..

The thing with the booby schoolgirls is the "moe" style which became very popular in recent years, to the point where it started to crowd out more typical genres.

There are signs that the moe-blob has run its course having become unsustainable under its own weight of pandering to the wishes of the minority of anime fans who really like it.

I have the feeling that a lot of current western fans of anime are quite into moe, just because it has been a popular style in Japan for some years so that is what westerners have been exposed to.

As someone else said earlier, 80% of anime is crap, just like 80% of all creative stuff is crap. That is the nature of creative endeavour.

Let me rephrase my question since after reading it again I see how weird it is to answer that. What is it that attracts you to anime? I can't place mine personally but a large portion is the effort that goes into the story and putting the emotion into voices that you just dont find in live action. Well at least with the series that I like.